Jake for HOF

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:21 pm

Other nominees from the 2013 class include WR Andre Reed, who played 15 years with the Buffalo Bills before finishing his career with one season in Washington in 2000. Offensive linemen Larry Allen and Jonathon Ogden, as well as defensive linemen Michael Strahan and Warren Sapp were also nominated in their first year of eligibility.

At 6'7" and 325 pounds, Jacoby was a giant of his time and a forerunner for the enormous men who now play the offensive line. In 2012 a tackle of Jacoby's size is not unusual, but in 1981 it was virtually unheard-of, but part of offensive line coach Joe Bugel's plan to build a powerful offensive attack behind superior brute force.

FLWSkin · Post by **FLWSkin** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:32 pm

Jake belongs, no doubt about it. He set the standard for LT in the league. And then moved to the other side and was just as good.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:32 pm

It is time, of course... but the list of selectors remains populated with the pseudointellectuals of the NY, NY and Bristol, CN area codes...

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:35 pm

I think he deserves to get in, but don't think he ever wil (unless the senior committee puts him in). He certainly won't go in with the group of first year eligible candidates. They could select the entire class from the first year group.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:56 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:I think he deserves to get in, but don't think he ever wil (unless the senior committee puts him in). He certainly won't go in with the group of first year eligible candidates. They could select the entire class from the first year group.

This is a quality first year candidate class... for sure.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:42 pm

Put him in already stupid voters!

FLWSkin · Post by **FLWSkin** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Just remember how long it took a no brainer like Monk to get in......

FLWSkin · Post by **FLWSkin** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:24 pm

And since we play the Giants Monday....I'll go there. I have heard many times that he isn't getting in because LT owned him in the 86 NFC CHampionship game. Sorry, LT was high as a kite on crack that game like he was most others so I don't think that should keep Jake out of the Hall. I really don't. I remember LT saying many times he brought a little extra when they played the Skins and I say his little extra was a dime bag of crack.

DaveD1420 · Post by **DaveD1420** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:50 pm

FLWSkin wrote:And since we play the Giants Monday....I'll go there. I have heard many times that he isn't getting in because LT owned him in the 86 NFC CHampionship game. Sorry, LT was high as a kite on crack that game like he was most others so I don't think that should keep Jake out of the Hall. I really don't. I remember LT saying many times he brought a little extra when they played the Skins and I say his little extra was a dime bag of crack.

I've been saying that LT's play has been over-exaggerated for years. Yes, he was a monster and one of the most physically gifted players of all time, but all you have to do is go to YouTube to find videos showing how many large cops it takes to apprehend a skinny, coked-out suspect to see what coke can do to you. I might make the HOF if I played in that condition, too.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:51 pm

DaveD1420 wrote:
FLWSkin wrote:And since we play the Giants Monday....I'll go there. I have heard many times that he isn't getting in because LT owned him in the 86 NFC CHampionship game. Sorry, LT was high as a kite on crack that game like he was most others so I don't think that should keep Jake out of the Hall. I really don't. I remember LT saying many times he brought a little extra when they played the Skins and I say his little extra was a dime bag of crack.
I've been saying that LT's play has been over-exaggerated for years. Yes, he was a monster and one of the most physically gifted players of all time, but all you have to do is go to YouTube to find videos showing how many large cops it takes to apprehend a skinny, coked-out suspect to see what coke can do to you. I might make the HOF if I played in that condition, too.

I think it is paper/rock/scissors: LT was too quick for Jacoby in '86, but Jacoby flattened LT whenever they ran that way ("The Coach": "Pat, I want you to look at the way Jacobny pancaked :LT on that last play!").

[However, every time I see the title, I think of Our Jake...then think, Oh, right...Big Joe]

Additionally, listen to John Madden: "Dave Butz never gets moved anyplace he doesn't want to go". Or the play that took the sneer out of Dierdorf in SB 22: "Dave Butz just collapsed two blockers and got Elway on that QB draw. Butz took out three guys at the same time..."

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:31 am

FLWSkin wrote:And since we play the Giants Monday....I'll go there. I have heard many times that he isn't getting in because LT owned him in the 86 NFC CHampionship game. Sorry, LT was high as a kite on crack that game like he was most others so I don't think that should keep Jake out of the Hall. I really don't. I remember LT saying many times he brought a little extra when they played the Skins and I say his little extra was a dime bag of crack.

I was at that game. smh

FLWSkin · Post by **FLWSkin** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:41 pm

I need to go back and do some research, but I think this happened before the 1990 season. LT had one more strike with the league about drug abuse, which included alchol. He was found passed out in his car with an empty case of beer in his car covered in his own piss and vomit, and he beat the drug test because they said he didn't have any in his system because he was covered in it. Win with class LT, win with class. Not to mention having sex with 15 year old hookers. He is just a disgusting human being.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:15 pm

Should we remember that Jim Lachey "owned" LT: so nimble that Taylor cpuldn;t get around, so strong that Taylor couldn;t go through him. Belicheck finally took to hiding LT, sending some to engage Lachey, and then having Taylor rush. Could not beat Lachey one-on-one

Nobody else got around Jacoby, and Big Joe played so long that he started at LT, RT, and G, I think.

How many tackles, other than Lachey and Mark May, were nearly as good as Jacoby during his time?

That's the question: who else?

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:18 am

Chris Samuels went to more Probowls than Jacoby. To me that shows why PB numbers shouldn't be used as a measuring stick.

As someone that has seen them both play I can tell you Jacoby was better.

From a pure talent stand point Lachey was better than both, but Lachey's career want long enough.

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:10 pm

Dude we all know it's pretty sad the state of voting for the HOF, I mean we can get LT in there but not Dexter Manley? Every damn one of the Hogs should be in the HOF. Name me one better offensive line ever...Chris Samuels better be in there day one as well.....................

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:11 pm

welch wrote:Should we remember that Jim Lachey "owned" LT: so nimble that Taylor cpuldn;t get around, so strong that Taylor couldn;t go through him. Belicheck finally took to hiding LT, sending some to engage Lachey, and then having Taylor rush. Could not beat Lachey one-on-one

Nobody else got around Jacoby, and Big Joe played so long that he started at LT, RT, and G, I think.

How many tackles, other than Lachey and Mark May, were nearly as good as Jacoby during his time?

That's the question: who else?

NO ONE PERIOD.......

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:01 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:Chris Samuels went to more Probowls than Jacoby. To me that shows why PB numbers shouldn't be used as a measuring stick.

As someone that has seen them both play I can tell you Jacoby was better.

From a pure gallant stand point Lachey was better than with, but Lachey's career want long enough.

Exactly

44diesel · Post by **44diesel** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:01 pm

I'll always remember a quote from Joe Bugel about Jacoby (from an an old VHS tape about the '87 Championship season) where he referred to him as "Interstate 66" because wherever he was going, the backs where following.