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Kilmer72 wrote:I really believe it is possible that we might not win another game this year.


I believe that it is possible that we might not win another game too... possible, but not probable or even likely!

WHat i do believe is Haz is a goner after our last game this year. No, not all of the problems on D are on him. They are week in the secondary and losing Caraker and Orakpo hurt a lot, but Haz has enough tallent for them to be playing better than they are!

MS' biggest mistake was not trading for McRib or trusting Rex / Beck to impersonate NFL QBs, no, it was hiring Haz as his DC. His second biggest mistake was not firing Haz after year one and hiring Wade Philips as his DC when Philips was fired by TTiT.

Here is hoping Rex Ryan gets canned in NY and is hired as our DC. Carolina's HC would make a good DC too. Marvin Lewis? Hell I'll take the France's Secretary of Defense over Haz, as long as Shanny takes his white flag away from him!
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oj wrote:It is obvious that some players have greater talents and if you get 52 of the best players on a single team then you don't need a coach do you!

No, that's not obvious at all. It's not even true.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:I really believe it is possible that we might not win another game this year.


I believe that it is possible that we might not win another game too... possible, but not probable or even likely!

WHat i do believe is Haz is a goner after our last game this year. No, not all of the problems on D are on him. They are week in the secondary and losing Caraker and Orakpo hurt a lot, but Haz has enough tallent for them to be playing better than they are!

MS' biggest mistake was not trading for McRib or trusting Rex / Beck to impersonate NFL QBs, no, it was hiring Haz as his DC. His second biggest mistake was not firing Haz after year one and hiring Wade Philips as his DC when Philips was fired by TTiT.

Here is hoping Rex Ryan gets canned in NY and is hired as our DC. Carolina's HC would make a good DC too. Marvin Lewis? Hell I'll take the France's Secretary of Defense over Haz, as long as Shanny takes his white flag away from him!



Ok, he did it once before http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725472

He also got fired for personnel decisions and refusing to fire his last defensive assistant. I hope it all works out in the end.
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TimSkin wrote:We need to just stop making excuses buckle down and start KICKING SOME A$$!!!


Your statement above is all I am saying when bringing up the Colts. I agree 100% with you. Stop making excuses. I get that Shanny wants one defense and that he thinks that they need to learn that D like the back of their hand, but Shanny needs to recognize that in the meantime, some of these guys just don't fit the scheme and he needs to adjust some things until he gets is players.


I agree with both of you guys. I'd just say that blaming everybody from Shanahan to the gatorade guy is just as bad and non-productive as making excuses.

Whatever the reasons for where we are right now, we have the players and coaches that we have. I want to see some FIRE from this team. The Bengals are knocking the snot out of the Giants right now. I hope the Skins are watching at home today, getting healthy and realizing ANYBODY CAN WIN THIS DIVISION.
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Kilmer72 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:I really believe it is possible that we might not win another game this year.


I believe that it is possible that we might not win another game too... possible, but not probable or even likely!

WHat i do believe is Haz is a goner after our last game this year. No, not all of the problems on D are on him. They are week in the secondary and losing Caraker and Orakpo hurt a lot, but Haz has enough tallent for them to be playing better than they are!

MS' biggest mistake was not trading for McRib or trusting Rex / Beck to impersonate NFL QBs, no, it was hiring Haz as his DC. His second biggest mistake was not firing Haz after year one and hiring Wade Philips as his DC when Philips was fired by TTiT.

Here is hoping Rex Ryan gets canned in NY and is hired as our DC. Carolina's HC would make a good DC too. Marvin Lewis? Hell I'll take the France's Secretary of Defense over Haz, as long as Shanny takes his white flag away from him!



Ok, he did it once before http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725472

He also got fired for personnel decisions and refusing to fire his last defensive assistant. I hope it all works out in the end.


Over the first six outings, the Broncos surrendered only 272.0 yards per game and allowed only 44 points, the fewest points permitted in the first six games since the adoption of the 16-game scheduled in 1978. In the final 10 games, however, the Broncos allowed 26.1 points and 359.2 yards per contest.

Part of the unit's problems could be traced to injuries, but Shanahan's decision to fire Coyer suggests there were also philosophical differences between the two men. Denver relied heavily on the blitz in 2005, but was exposed by the Pittsburgh Steelers in an AFC Championship Game defeat, and Coyer reworked the scheme to go with sounder and less risky techniques for 2006.

In the revamped design, the Broncos struggled to create pressure on opposition quarterbacks.

The Denver defense ranked No. 4 in the league overall in Coyer's first two seasons as coordinator, 2003 and 2004, then slipped to 15th in 2005 and was 14th in 2006.


And Coyer wasn't even close to being as bad as Haz!

Some things are similar:

injuries
no pressure on the QB
going from risky blitzing to safer techniques

I don't believe that there are philosophical differences between Haz and Shanny. I think that Haz is doing everything that Shanny wants.
I don't think that Shanny fires Haz after the season.
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The Hogster wrote:Maybe I'm cranky, but I'm getting annoyed reading the word 'Shanny' Until he wins with us, he doesn't deserve an abbreviation, nickname or whatever.

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Kilmer72 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:I really believe it is possible that we might not win another game this year.


I believe that it is possible that we might not win another game too... possible, but not probable or even likely!

WHat i do believe is Haz is a goner after our last game this year. No, not all of the problems on D are on him. They are week in the secondary and losing Caraker and Orakpo hurt a lot, but Haz has enough tallent for them to be playing better than they are!

MS' biggest mistake was not trading for McRib or trusting Rex / Beck to impersonate NFL QBs, no, it was hiring Haz as his DC. His second biggest mistake was not firing Haz after year one and hiring Wade Philips as his DC when Philips was fired by TTiT.

Here is hoping Rex Ryan gets canned in NY and is hired as our DC. Carolina's HC would make a good DC too. Marvin Lewis? Hell I'll take the France's Secretary of Defense over Haz, as long as Shanny takes his white flag away from him!



Ok, he did it once before http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2725472

He also got fired for personnel decisions and refusing to fire his last defensive assistant. I hope it all works out in the end.




Mike has a history of firing D Coordinators - LINK

In Denver, Shanahan ran everything and as things went downhill, he relieved defensive coordinators -- Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer and Jim Bates -- in almost revolving-door fashion.

It's not clear how it contributed to his firing, but the Rocky Mountain News reported on Tuesday night that Bowlen asked Shanahan to make another change at defensive coordinator -- this time cutting loose Bob Slowik. Shanahan reportedly refused. He had said after Sunday's loss that he would not fire another defensive coordinator.

This year, as the defense floundered, it became obvious it wasn't just a coaching problem. It was an issue of talent on the field, and in Denver, the buck stopped with Shanahan.

Yet even when the talent wasn't there, Shanahan usually fielded a competitive team. Decades of solid sellouts and the full confidence of his owner made him almost impervious to criticism. Even after blowout losses, he wont acknowledge, at least publicly, deficiencies in his coaching or management style.


Does this all sound familiar with what is going on with the Skins?
In the past Shanahan has field competitive teams when the talent wasn't there. This is not the Shanahan of the glory days of the Broncos. My apologies to those who warned us that we were getting the Shanny of the last years of the Broncos. The coaching mind is still there, but the managemnt style is lacking severely.
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Sounds real familiar.
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oj wrote:The subject suggested the lack of success is 'incomplete roster' and that we are still going thru a rebuilding phase.
A problem with that thinking (incomplete roster) is that it is an excuse not an explanation. My presumption is that you can win with ANY combination of draftees - ANY of those guys that get drafted are potential starters in the right situation. It is the coaches responsibility to create the right siituation so that his player can dominate. If the coach fails to create those situations then the team will be mediocre.
It is obvious that some players have greater talents and if you get 52 of the best players on a single team then you don't need a coach do you!
What i see is a disconnect in the coaching, the Shanahans come across as too clinical and cerebral - i have never, ever seen either of them fire up the team. A pat on the helmut saying 'good job' while not even looking the player in the eye is pathetic.
I think the Shanahans are wicked smart but are emotional drains on our team. When was the last time you saw either of them just smile for the hell of it.


I agree with what you are saying OJ, but I have one question for you which I am having trouble finding the answer.

Why does Cooley want to play for the Skins so bad?
Why does Fletcher? He could have went some where else for a final hurrah.
Casey Rabach spoke very highly of the Skins and wanted to come back before signing with the Ravens (later failed a physical).

Player after player say that they want to come back.

Carlos Rodgers wanted to come back as well, but wanted too much money.

I agree with you that the players don't seemed fired up. They make too many penalties. They drop too many passes. We read that Shanny fined more players his first year with the Skins than he had with any other team. Yet, several players come to his defense.

I never hear Carter bad mouth the organization.
Carlos said some critical things, but I don't remember him specifically criticizing Shanny (Check me on this)

I have heard subtle comments by Fletcher that I interepreted as shots against the Scheme.

I have heard subtle comments against Kyle and Mike not being on the same sheet of music.

Keim as written that players are often confused on the defense, but they love it here.

Phil Daniels never said anything bad when he was cut. Even defended Mike's fit the personnel to the scheme philosophy (loosly defened it - I might add - he said it has worked for Mike in the past - he wasn't endorsing it).

Vonnie Holliday was mad when he was traded but felt no hard feeling toward Mike.

After he was let go, Dockery in a radio interview refused to say anything negative about Mike even when chided by LaVar. Derrick said that Shanny would take him to the his office and show him what he was doing wrong. Several players say that they appreciate that in Mike.

So what is wrong with this organization, if the players like the direction the team is going?

I think that they believe in Mike so much that they want to fit the schemes both offensively and defensively, but some of them now that they aren't the guy and they won't be around to see the fruition of their labors.


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Is this a joke or do you really not get it? Do you really not understand the politics behind football and free agency? Come on. As someone who speaks with NFL agents quite often, here are some of the tips given:

(1) If you are on a team, you ALWAYS back your coach. He's the one that can play or sit you. Most of these players have incentive contracts and must hit their numbers to get paid. If they don't play, they won't get paid. Players know that one of the most important things is to be a team player. Mouthing off about your coach is literally the WORST thing you can do for a team. If you coach likes you --- you're set.

(2) When it's a contract year, a player must ALWAYS say they want to go back to their original team. That way other teams will throw more money at them as an incentive to leave. And if there is less interest in the player, at least he is a "loyal team guy". And in terms of getting resigned, see number (1) --- if a coach likes you, you are more likely to get resigned.

(3) After you leave, you NEVER say anything bad about the organization (as with any normal job). People don't like players that talk smack after they leave --- because they know that once he leaves the new organization, the same thing is likely to happen. This makes players less marketable on the free agency market. Look at TO; how's that working out for him? Besides, the only people that talk smack after they leave are players who the organization did see being part of the franchise moving forward. This is pretty known.

(4) It is even more important to never talk smack about any person that has been in the league -- in any capacity -- for a long period of time. Most of the longer term coaches all know each other. Their assistants will become HCs. Their mentors are likely still HCs. They know GMs well. It's a fraternity at the HC and GM level. If you bad mouth one coach, you might as well talk smack about everyone in his "inner circle" --- which can be a ton of guys. For example, if you talk smack about Behichick, you are killing your chances of being signed with KC, DET, ATL, BAL, CLE, and PITT. Trust is very important in order for GMs to work with one another. And GMs give advice/help out other GMs (that they trust and have a history with) MUCH MUCH more than most people think.

This is NFL politics. I hope you don't sit there and believe every single word these guys say. It's all lip service. Please don't be that naive. The skin players say how much they love it because it is in their best interest --- they don't care what the truth is. They are trying to keep their jobs, their spot on the depth chart, and their free agent marketability. If they start mouthing off, their stock plummets.
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markshark84 wrote:Is this a joke or do you really not get it? Do you really not understand the politics behind football and free agency? Come on. As someone who speaks with NFL agents quite often, here are some of the tips given:


Oh I see, one of our resident THN experts (with credentials mind you) -- get your info from NFL agents? I have to admit you got me, because I only get my info from the TV, Radio and Internet.

(1) If you are on a team, you ALWAYS back your coach. He's the one that can play or sit you. Most of these players have incentive contracts and must hit their numbers to get paid. If they don't play, they won't get paid. Players know that one of the most important things is to be a team player. Mouthing off about your coach is literally the WORST thing you can do for a team. If you coach likes you --- you're set.


Take a look at the roll call of players I listed, they were former players and one of them, Carlos bashed the organization wich could be more fatal than bashing a coach. McNabb certainly bashed the Shannies and still got to play with another team, so much for you expert opinion.

Also, while you asking if this was a joke or not, you failed to notice that I listed sports writers as well, some of them have no problem bashing NFL organizations. Some move up to be NFL Network guys.

You also failed to notice a couple of Skins publicly questioned Shanny on his comments to the media about going into a evaluation mode. I guess your NFL agents forget to tell you about that.

(2) When it's a contract year, a player must ALWAYS say they want to go back to their original team. That way other teams will throw more money at them as an incentive to leave. And if there is less interest in the player, at least he is a "loyal team guy". And in terms of getting resigned, see number (1) --- if a coach likes you, you are more likely to get resigned.


Really? Are you serious with this? If they like you? Tell that to Dockery. Shanny said he liked Dock and Dock still got cut because he was not a ZBS blocker. There is more to it than just liking a player.

(3) After you leave, you NEVER say anything bad about the organization (as with any normal job). People don't like players that talk smack after they leave --- because they know that once he leaves the new organization, the same thing is likely to happen. This makes players less marketable on the free agency market. Look at TO; how's that working out for him? Besides, the only people that talk smack after they leave are players who the organization did see being part of the franchise moving forward. This is pretty known.


This is true in any business - one doesn't have to have talked to NFL agents to know this - BTW - it does happen, when someone feels that they were screwed, that they mouth off - See Donovan McNabb, LaRon Landry and Carlos Rogers -last I checked after leaving the Skins, they all found jobs and in McNabb's case it was his lack of current talent that got him let go - not his mouth.

(4) It is even more important to never talk smack about any person that has been in the league -- in any capacity -- for a long period of time. Most of the longer term coaches all know each other. Their assistants will become HCs. Their mentors are likely still HCs. They know GMs well. It's a fraternity at the HC and GM level. If you bad mouth one coach, you might as well talk smack about everyone in his "inner circle" --- which can be a ton of guys. For example, if you talk smack about Behichick, you are killing your chances of being signed with KC, DET, ATL, BAL, CLE, and PITT. Trust is very important in order for GMs to work with one another. And GMs give advice/help out other GMs (that they trust and have a history with) MUCH MUCH more than most people think.


Did you really learn all of this from NFL Agents?

This is NFL politics


What job or business doesn't have these politics you speak of?

Now, here is a tip for you, sometimes you can learn a lot more from a player's actions than what they say. Like Cooley. We know that he had offers from other teams to be a back up. We know players who refuse to take play cuts from their teams will go off and sign for less money with the new team just to try to make a point. Cooley did no such thing. He wanted to be a Redskin, period.
Fletcher, we know could have had his last hurrah with another team. Perhaps a play-off caliber team, but he chose to stay here. That is a statement with out saying anything. The Skins didn't break the bank to keep him. He could have got pissed that the Skins let him be available for the Free Agency, but he stayed put. Santana was allowed to test the FA market and he got offers, but he chose to stay here.
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Red_One43 wrote:
markshark84 wrote:Is this a joke or do you really not get it? Do you really not understand the politics behind football and free agency? Come on. As someone who speaks with NFL agents quite often, here are some of the tips given:


Oh I see, one of our resident THN experts (with credentials mind you) -- get your info from NFL agents? I have to admit you got me, because I only get my info from the TV, Radio and Internet.

(1) If you are on a team, you ALWAYS back your coach. He's the one that can play or sit you. Most of these players have incentive contracts and must hit their numbers to get paid. If they don't play, they won't get paid. Players know that one of the most important things is to be a team player. Mouthing off about your coach is literally the WORST thing you can do for a team. If you coach likes you --- you're set.


Take a look at the roll call of players I listed, they were former players and one of them, Carlos bashed the organization wich could be more fatal than bashing a coach. McNabb certainly bashed the Shannies and still got to play with another team, so much for you expert opinion.

Also, while you asking if this was a joke or not, you failed to notice that I listed sports writers as well, some of them have no problem bashing NFL organizations. Some move up to be NFL Network guys.

You also failed to notice a couple of Skins publicly questioned Shanny on his comments to the media about going into a evaluation mode. I guess your NFL agents forget to tell you about that.

(2) When it's a contract year, a player must ALWAYS say they want to go back to their original team. That way other teams will throw more money at them as an incentive to leave. And if there is less interest in the player, at least he is a "loyal team guy". And in terms of getting resigned, see number (1) --- if a coach likes you, you are more likely to get resigned.


Really? Are you serious with this? If they like you? Tell that to Dockery. Shanny said he liked Dock and Dock still got cut because he was not a ZBS blocker. There is more to it than just liking a player.

(3) After you leave, you NEVER say anything bad about the organization (as with any normal job). People don't like players that talk smack after they leave --- because they know that once he leaves the new organization, the same thing is likely to happen. This makes players less marketable on the free agency market. Look at TO; how's that working out for him? Besides, the only people that talk smack after they leave are players who the organization did see being part of the franchise moving forward. This is pretty known.


This is true in any business - one doesn't have to have talked to NFL agents to know this - BTW - it does happen, when someone feels that they were screwed, that they mouth off - See Donovan McNabb, LaRon Landry and Carlos Rogers -last I checked after leaving the Skins, they all found jobs and in McNabb's case it was his lack of current talent that got him let go - not his mouth.

(4) It is even more important to never talk smack about any person that has been in the league -- in any capacity -- for a long period of time. Most of the longer term coaches all know each other. Their assistants will become HCs. Their mentors are likely still HCs. They know GMs well. It's a fraternity at the HC and GM level. If you bad mouth one coach, you might as well talk smack about everyone in his "inner circle" --- which can be a ton of guys. For example, if you talk smack about Behichick, you are killing your chances of being signed with KC, DET, ATL, BAL, CLE, and PITT. Trust is very important in order for GMs to work with one another. And GMs give advice/help out other GMs (that they trust and have a history with) MUCH MUCH more than most people think.


Did you really learn all of this from NFL Agents?

This is NFL politics


What job or business doesn't have these politics you speak of?

Now, here is a tip for you, sometimes you can learn a lot more from a player's actions than what they say. Like Cooley. We know that he had offers from other teams to be a back up. We know players who refuse to take play cuts from their teams will go off and sign for less money with the new team just to try to make a point. Cooley did no such thing. He wanted to be a Redskin, period.
Fletcher, we know could have had his last hurrah with another team. Perhaps a play-off caliber team, but he chose to stay here. That is a statement with out saying anything. The Skins didn't break the bank to keep him. He could have got pissed that the Skins let him be available for the Free Agency, but he stayed put. Santana was allowed to test the FA market and he got offers, but he chose to stay here.


Not to butt in, but add in all the guys on Sirius NFL radio which include almost all ex players, or retired GMs including Pat Kirwin. Most all of them say this staff needs more time and patience through this adversity attributing most of the problems to injuries to key players and some of the players left from the last regime like Hall. He's overrated as we all know. They will have to replace him this offseason.

Remember that there has only been a handful of rookie QBs who own a winning record through a season in history. I think we have to give this a bit more time. I'm not being a homer here, just feel like we need to see this out. If we are not winning consistently by next year, I'll be right there with everyone looking for a replacement.
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not now chief - :lol: some here don't want to hear anything even close to what you're suggesting

patience is not part of the equation here it seems :lol:

fire everyone ... how bad can things be ... we're sick and tired of "wait till .... "

I'm as disapointed in how things have gone and I hope we go 7-0 but to me the reality is I really do think that with RG3 things will be a lot better here

now, Im not sure who will be HC, DC, or OC but I do know that we have clear evidence that we have a very special QB

we are very close but ...

nothing good can come from letting coaches go at this time
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chiefhog44 wrote:Not to butt in, but add in all the guys on Sirius NFL radio which include almost all ex players, or retired GMs including Pat Kirwin. Most all of them say this staff needs more time and patience through this adversity attributing most of the problems to injuries to key players and some of the players left from the last regime like Hall.


You're wrong...

1. You should know by now that common sense doesn't work with 9/10 fans.
2. You're asking "fans" to be patient and sensible.
3. You're referencing people who know what they're talking about, that doesn't work.

So you're right, but you're wrong for thinking that your post will help. LOL I agree with you but you don't need to persuade me. I'm not overly emotional and irrational... I used to come her to get away from such feminine traits. Now... I'm just stuck between a rock and hard place.
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chiefhog44 wrote:I think we have to give this a bit more time. I'm not being a homer here, just feel like we need to see this out. If we are not winning consistently by next year, I'll be right there with everyone looking for a replacement.


Agreed
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Red_One43 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:I think we have to give this a bit more time. I'm not being a homer here, just feel like we need to see this out. If we are not winning consistently by next year, I'll be right there with everyone looking for a replacement.


Agreed


In addition, you're not going to find a top coach who wants to come in here with no first round draft pick next year and missing 18 million in cap space. Sorry fellas, but we've GOT to be patient.
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chiefhog44 wrote:In addition, you're not going to find a top coach who wants to come in here with no first round draft pick next year and missing 18 million in cap space. Sorry fellas, but we've GOT to be patient.


I know the cap penalty will continue to suck, but I've heard in a few places that our cap situation next year isn't terrible. Probably have to cut ties with a couple overpriced guys, but we're not in cap hell. Where's 1niksder to comment?

I don't want to see a coaching change this year, but I'll bet a guy like Gruden would be interested in coming here because of our QB. We might not have a first round pick this year, but we have RGIII.
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chiefhog44 wrote:
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chiefhog44 wrote:I think we have to give this a bit more time. I'm not being a homer here, just feel like we need to see this out. If we are not winning consistently by next year, I'll be right there with everyone looking for a replacement.


Agreed


In addition, you're not going to find a top coach who wants to come in here with no first round draft pick next year and missing 18 million in cap space. Sorry fellas, but we've GOT to be patient.

No coach would not come here for those reasons. That just elevates the challenge. The salary and a chance to coach RGIII would be enough to entice most coaches to come to DC.
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:shock: beat that horse - go ahead, hit it again ... you can't hurt it, it's dead!
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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SkinsJock wrote::shock: beat that horse - go ahead, hit it again ... you can't hurt it, it's dead!


I agree. You have to admit though; it would be hard to blame Danny if we do not win any more games this year.
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why would anyone blame Snyder if we don't win any more games?

Snyder is JUST the owner ... or as I prefer, the MFO :wink:

Snyder is responsible for the mess we're in but he has nothing to do with the steps we've taken since

Snyder needs to keep away from anything to do with the players or what happens on the field
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Almost no one would blame Snyder if we do not win anymore games. Some people might blame him for hiring a new coach, if we do not win anymore games.
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Kilmer72 wrote:Almost no one would blame Snyder if we do not win anymore games. Some people might blame him for hiring a new coach, if we do not win anymore games.


I get your point - there's no doubt that Mike would be gone if we end up at 3-13

I just don't understand that some here can look at this group and think that we're not winning another game with 7 games to go :shock:
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SkinsJock wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:Almost no one would blame Snyder if we do not win anymore games. Some people might blame him for hiring a new coach, if we do not win anymore games.


I get your point - there's no doubt that Mike would be gone if we end up at 3-13

I just don't understand that some here can look at this group and think that we're not winning another game with 7 games to go :shock:


100% agree
you all do realize we play the cowboys twice the eagles twice the giants once more, the browns and ravens.
Maybe I'm too optimistic but I see at least 5 wins there, atleast 5 games we should win
RGIII and the terrible D
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