Time for this Shanahan experiment to be ended.

DaSkinz Baby · Post by **DaSkinz Baby** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:07 pm

Okay people I have been putting this thread off for a while now and now, sorry it's time for Mike, his son and the whole coaching staff to be terminated ASAP. Just like the game passed Joe Gibbs by, it has passed Shanahan by as well. And let's not kid ourselves. Mike Shanahan didn't build that team in Denver, Dan Reeves did. The only thing Mike gets credit for was the running backs and let's also add in that Mike wasn't nothing without Gary Kubiak and he hasn't been since. His son is a arrogant moron and I am so glad that Brian Mitchell called this team out. Let's also come to the realization that London Fletcher is old, slow and can no longer make the plays he once did, it's time to sit him down. It doesn't take any other team 3-5 to become a contender but it takes the Redskins 20 years? This is ridiculous and I would really like to kick Daniel Snyder in the ass for what he has done since buying this team. This team is pathetic, has no mean streak and are a bunch of professional. The only good thing about this team is #10 and #46 and they both should be able to go to a professional team with good qualified coaches not these stupid ass pieces of crap coaching this team into the ground. I swear too bad the bulk of us fans can't get Mike, Kyle and Jim Haslett in a boxing ring for about 5 minutes cause I swear I would beat them all to death cause they really do deserve it. They need to take the bush league play calling to high school where it belongs. I swear I doubt this team could even beat the Seneca Valley Screaming Eagles. This team get's worse as the year goes on and has happened every since Shanny has gotten here. Daniel Snyder you hire some young worthy coach that wants to win, not a past his prime coach who only came back to get his son more experience. And lastly Shanny didn't know defense in Denver and he still knows nothing about defense as evidence by the product he puts out on the field.................I am getting to the point of seriously hating this team................

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:09 pm

We could beat Seneca Valley!!!

Rayskins69 · Post by **Rayskins69** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:20 pm

I haven't posted in awhile, but yeah I feel the pain. Ive got over 35 years cheering for this team and its painful. Ive told anyone who will listen, but football is about coaching. Ive been on great teams that we knew going in we were better prepared. Ive been on other horrible teams where we didnt have a clue. I believe this current team is closer to the clueless...

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:22 pm

(1) Wow . . . feeling better after that? Take a deep breath, dude.

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riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:29 pm

Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:30 pm

riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:32 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:(2) Please remember that THN's forums outside of Talking Smack are PG. No profanity, or profanity with symbols in place of letters, is allowed. I've edited this post but please keep that in mind in the future.

I tend to use garbage words like flipping flopping shikuzle and such like that. Works here in the real world.. but obviously smack is where the fudge it's at!!!

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:41 pm

riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

+1

We have seen progress with MS. Inpatience and instability work against you when progress is actually being made. If there is no progress --- then by all means we should cut him loose right now, but there is progress being made.

When MS got here, there were literally only 3 half-decent players on this roster. Please remember that. We weren't SF when Harbaugh took over. Look at our final roster. Outside of Fletcher. Moss, and Orakpo, we had NOBODY on this team. It's almost comical in a very sad and depressing way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Washi ... nal_roster

MS had to find 52 guys to make a decent team in 3 years. That is a tall order.

Besides, did you really think we were a playoff team this year??? Get real. Playoff teams have quality at all areas. We have issues at DL, DB, OL, and WR. That's enough to keep us out of the playoffs. You need quality everywhere.

If you really think we should have gone from that roster in 2009 to a playoff team in 3 seasons, you need a reality check.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:44 pm

I almost want to start a NEW 12 Keepers thread.

Which 12 guys belong on this team 3 years from now?

Griff
Trent
Garcon
Morris
Kerrigan
Rak

Ruh Roh

DarthMonk

Mississippiskinsfan2 · Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:57 pm

The sky is falling!!!!!!!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:58 pm

Fans overreacting, News at 11...

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:07 pm

riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

Coaching changes haven't been our problem. Hiring the wrong coach has been the problem (ie Spurrier and Zorn). Obviously you don't want constant turnover but its equally bad to continue on with a coach that you don't think can get the job done. I'm not saying that Shanahan should be fired, but the idea for keeping him on just for the sake of continuity and because of too much turnover in the past doesn't make any real sense.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:17 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

Coaching changes haven't been our problem. Hiring the wrong coach has been the problem (ie Spurrier and Zorn). Obviously you don't want constant turnover but its equally bad to continue on with a coach that you don't think can get the job done. I'm not saying that Shanahan should be fired, but the idea for keeping him on just for the sake of continuity and because of too much turnover in the past doesn't make any real sense.

So if he's let go, who do we bring in that's a guarantee?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:21 pm

I don't think that Shanahan should be kept because of a lack of continuity OR because he did not do a good job in Denver OR ... whatever

I don't think that Shanahan should be fired because there are better coaches available or that someone else can come in here and make this franchise better

The ONLY reason that Shanahan should lose his job here is if he cannot get the players he has here to play together as a team for the next 7 games

the win loss record does not matter as much to me as I never really thought that the team was going to be all that special this season anyway

I think many fans are just VERY disappointed because they had unrealistic expectations

IF Mike loses the team then he should be let go but he will have the opportunity over the next 7 games to show that is the case or not

I am NOT a Mike Shanahan fan but I do think it will be important how the players respond to this challenge by the HC

that is how I take that statement he made - My 2 cents

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:24 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

Coaching changes haven't been our problem. Hiring the wrong coach has been the problem (ie Spurrier and Zorn). Obviously you don't want constant turnover but its equally bad to continue on with a coach that you don't think can get the job done. I'm not saying that Shanahan should be fired, but the idea for keeping him on just for the sake of continuity and because of too much turnover in the past doesn't make any real sense.

Neither does blowing it all up and starting over again.

Its just the same old nonsense around here. The same fans saying Shanny doesn't have what it takes and only won because he had Elway. Shanny doesn't have the drive because he already won his super bowls. Who do they want to replace him? Bill Cowher! Gruden! Sean Payton! LOL. Its the same old same old.

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:25 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

Coaching changes haven't been our problem. Hiring the wrong coach has been the problem (ie Spurrier and Zorn). Obviously you don't want constant turnover but its equally bad to continue on with a coach that you don't think can get the job done. I'm not saying that Shanahan should be fired, but the idea for keeping him on just for the sake of continuity and because of too much turnover in the past doesn't make any real sense.

So if he's let go, who do we bring in that's a guarantee?

What kind of guarantee are you looking for ? There are no guarantees and like caneskins i'm not saying he should be fired either but his record is terrible and there's no guarantee it will improve either. Personally, I just expected to see improvement, he's personally responsible for just about every player on this roster and those players or he aren't getting it done. Either way this has to start falling on his shoulders. I want continuity but at what price? 5 and 6 win seasons aren't cutting it and although the offense has improved over last years we haven't exactly put up a ton of points on good defenses this year.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:27 pm

markshark84 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

+1

We have seen progress with MS. Inpatience and instability work against you when progress is actually being made. If there is no progress --- then by all means we should cut him loose right now, but there is progress being made.

When MS got here, there were literally only 3 half-decent players on this roster. Please remember that. We weren't SF when Harbaugh took over. Look at our final roster. Outside of Fletcher. Moss, and Orakpo, we had NOBODY on this team. It's almost comical in a very sad and depressing way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Washi ... nal_roster

MS had to find 52 guys to make a decent team in 3 years. That is a tall order.

If "progress" isn't leading to more wins, is it really progress? People talk about the 2009 roster like they were the 0-16 Lions, but the 2009 team did manage to win 4 games (which, admittedly, is no great feat). Still, there have been worse teams. Regardless, Shanahan took a 4-12 team and has gone 6-10, 5-11, and now looks headed for another 10+ loss season. Again, where's the progress? Being patient on a sinking ship only leaves you on the bottom of the sea.

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:34 pm

Mursilis wrote:
markshark84 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Yes! What we REALLY need is another coaching change. That has really worked well for us in the past.

+1

We have seen progress with MS. Inpatience and instability work against you when progress is actually being made. If there is no progress --- then by all means we should cut him loose right now, but there is progress being made.

When MS got here, there were literally only 3 half-decent players on this roster. Please remember that. We weren't SF when Harbaugh took over. Look at our final roster. Outside of Fletcher. Moss, and Orakpo, we had NOBODY on this team. It's almost comical in a very sad and depressing way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Washi ... nal_roster

MS had to find 52 guys to make a decent team in 3 years. That is a tall order.

If "progress" isn't leading to more wins, is it really progress? People talk about the 2009 roster like they were the 0-16 Lions, but the 2009 team did manage to win 4 games (which, admittedly, is no great feat). Still, there have been worse teams. Regardless, Shanahan took a 4-12 team and has gone 6-10, 5-11, and now looks headed for another 10+ loss season. Again, where's the progress? Being patient on a sinking ship only leaves you on the bottom of the sea.

Agreed, there's little tangible progress being made. We've made some good picks with our high picks in the past few drafts but it's not translating to anything. As far as the players on the roster when he got here, that's true but it's also true he's responsible for their replacements. I'm on the fence as far as coaching decisions go right now but i'm no longer on the fence about Shanahan being responsible for more of the blame than i've previoulsy placed on him.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:35 pm

I feel that there has been success. It has NOT translated to wins. However, I believe that it's coming.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:40 pm

Slow down people. Although I am disappointed in this last game and the egg we laid in Pittsburgh, I figured we would be about where we are right now. I figured we would end up at around 6-10, with a rookie QB and not factoring injuries to 4 of our best players.
Rak
Carriker
Garcon
Davis
I think it would be a huge step backward to not give this coaching staff another off season to build this. He's halfway through his contract and this offseason is a big one. Rid the team of it's last holdovers this offseason and continue to sprinkle in some solid free agents.

People are bashing the blunders of this front office, but you can point to a bunch of great FA's and draft picks they brought in who are really solid and form the nucleous of this team. Our offense across the board is pretty solid from WR, to TE, to O-line, to RB to QB. We now have a solid K. And on D, our front 7 is pretty solid (need one more pass rusher to add to Kerrigan and Rak), our Safites are poor and our CB's are overrated.

If you can add a Safety in the 2nd round next year, add a Free agent CB, a RT in the 3rd, and continue to develop all of our draft picks, I really like how that team looks. This team is not that far away really. Just had a bad couple games. Every team has them

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:42 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:Slow down people. Although I am disappointed in this last game and the egg we laid in Pittsburgh, I figured we would be about where we are right now. I figured we would end up at around 6-10, with a rookie QB and not factoring injuries to 4 of our best players.
Rak
Carriker
Garcon
Davis
I think it would be a huge step backward to not give this coaching staff another off season to build this. He's halfway through his contract and this offseason is a big one. Rid the team of it's last holdovers this offseason and continue to sprinkle in some solid free agents.

People are bashing the blunders of this front office, but you can point to a bunch of great FA's and draft picks they brought in who are really solid and form the nucleous of this team. Our offense across the board is pretty solid from WR, to TE, to O-line, to RB to QB. We now have a solid K. And on D, our front 7 is pretty solid (need one more pass rusher to add to Kerrigan and Rak), our Safites are poor and our CB's are overrated.

If you can add a Safety in the 2nd round next year, add a Free agent CB, a RT in the 3rd, and continue to develop all of our draft picks, I really like how that team looks. This team is not that far away really. Just had a bad couple games. Every team has them

Don't bring your common sense, it won't be welcome. :lol:

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:50 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:I figured we would end up at around 6-10, with a rookie QB

Who is awesome and not the reason why this team is terrible.

I think it would be a huge step backward to not give this coaching staff another off season to build this.

Build what? A winning team? Where is it?

Our offense across the board is pretty solid from WR

Who can't catch

to TE, to O-line

Who can't seem to pass-block that well - they gave up 4 sacks yesterday, and saw almost no blitzes

This team is not that far away really. Just had a bad couple games. Every team has them

We fans say that every year. And every year, we're wrong.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:52 pm

*side note*..

I like da avatar Mursilis.. congrats!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:08 pm

Mursilis wrote:Who can't catch

Right, cus RGIII got that 70% completion rate throwing passes to himself... :roll:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:16 pm

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Okay people I have been putting this thread off for a while now and now, sorry it's time for Mike, his son and the whole coaching staff to be terminated ASAP. Just like the game passed Joe Gibbs by, it has passed Shanahan by as well. And let's not kid ourselves. Mike Shanahan didn't build that team in Denver, Dan Reeves did. The only thing Mike gets credit for was the running backs and let's also add in that Mike wasn't nothing without Gary Kubiak and he hasn't been since. His son is a arrogant moron and I am so glad that Brian Mitchell called this team out. Let's also come to the realization that London Fletcher is old, slow and can no longer make the plays he once did, it's time to sit him down. It doesn't take any other team 3-5 to become a contender but it takes the Redskins 20 years? This is ridiculous and I would really like to kick Daniel Snyder in the ass for what he has done since buying this team. This team is pathetic, has no mean streak and are a bunch of professional. The only good thing about this team is #10 and #46 and they both should be able to go to a professional team with good qualified coaches not these stupid ass pieces of crap coaching this team into the ground. I swear too bad the bulk of us fans can't get Mike, Kyle and Jim Haslett in a boxing ring for about 5 minutes cause I swear I would beat them all to death cause they really do deserve it. They need to take the bush league play calling to high school where it belongs. I swear I doubt this team could even beat the Seneca Valley Screaming Eagles. This team get's worse as the year goes on and has happened every since Shanny has gotten here. Daniel Snyder you hire some young worthy coach that wants to win, not a past his prime coach who only came back to get his son more experience. And lastly Shanny didn't know defense in Denver and he still knows nothing about defense as evidence by the product he puts out on the field.................I am getting to the point of seriously hating this team................

These sorts rants sound familiar. At least my wife is actually a woman...

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