Cut DeAngelo Hall

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:44 am

Not sure why what happened before matters

NO player is allowed to treat the refs like that - EVER

the refs make bad calls and bad mistakes all the time - it is part of the game

NO player is allowed to EVER treat the refs with disrespect

Hall should be out at least 1 game or have a huge fine

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:53 am

SkinsJock wrote:Not sure why what happened before matters

NO player is allowed to treat the refs like that - EVER

the refs make bad calls and bad mistakes all the time - it is part of the game

NO player is allowed to EVER treat the refs with disrespect

Hall should be out at least 1 game or have a huge fine

How about both, 1 game and a huge fine?

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Hall should be suspended, yes, atleast for one game.

It would also be nice if the league would review, critique, and discipline refs. The actions of both players and refs impact the quality of the game.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:39 pm

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Hall should be suspended, yes, atleast for one game.

Ideally by the Skins, IMHO. This is the third such outburst this year. Yes, this one didn't happen when we were about to tie/win a game, but still totally inexcusable.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:48 pm

For what it's worth - the refs are 'disciplined' by other refs that look at & grade each & every play & how they 'manage' their jobs each week

this actually affects their pocketbook because bad grades means no playoff monies and can actually cost them their jobs if they continue to make bad calls or are judged to be not worth keeping

Hall is in a lot of trouble with both the league and the team for his reaction

Richmond Redskin · Post by **Richmond Redskin** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:19 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Hall should be suspended, yes, atleast for one game.

Ideally by the Skins, IMHO. This is the third such outburst this year. Yes, this one didn't happen when we were about to tie/win a game, but still totally inexcusable.

This, IMO, goes back to coaching. It happens too often and is not acceptable. I read today that Hall may be suspended by the NFL, but I agree that it would be more impactful to have it come from the Redskins.

gushogs · Post by **gushogs** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:35 pm

Any news on what is going to happen to D. Hall, to me is a double whammy situation. He should be suspended/cut, but the secondary of the Skins covers less than a Brazilian string bikini.
HaiL,

Richmond Redskin · Post by **Richmond Redskin** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:52 pm

gushogs wrote:Any news on what is going to happen to D. Hall, to me is a double whammy situation. He should be suspended/cut, but the secondary of the Skins covers less than a Brazilian string bikini.
HaiL,

Still pending,

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -with-ref/

I think he sits for a game

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:16 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I personally like Josh as a #2 corner. He's not the most gifted player, but he works his butt off and has a great attitude. I think the issue is we need a better #1 corner.

I suspect the concussion he sustained against the Rams has taken him down several notches. He's letting things get by him this year that he would have taken care of last year — last year I thought he was our best CB by far.

You must be right. Last year, he (Josh) made mistakes but made up for them or didn't repeat them. This year as bad as Hall is, he seams to be our best sadly.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:26 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Hall should be suspended, yes, atleast for one game.

Ideally by the Skins, IMHO. This is the third such outburst this year. Yes, this one didn't happen when we were about to tie/win a game, but still totally inexcusable.

+1. If the league doesn't do it the Skins should. If the league gives him 1 game, the Skins should add one and make it 2 games. Like you said, this is multiple incidents this season, and this clown is supposed to be a team leader.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:06 pm

Jay Leno Fines D. Hall

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:33 pm

I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the NFL is going to suspend Hall

much as I do not like the way Godahell does a lot of things - Hall needs to see that there is absolutely no place for behaving as he did

The Redskins should also do something as well

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:54 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the NFL is going to suspend Hall

much as I do not like the way Godahell does a lot of things - Hall needs to see that there is absolutely no place for behaving as he did

The Redskins should also do something as well

Was thinking the same thing. Suspend him for the rest of the year. No joke. Does it hurt? Absolutely, but it's for the teams own good. We need a lamb at the bye.

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:30 am

I really can't agree with the consensus opinion on this. Given Hall's interview claiming that the Ref was "giving as good as he was getting" ... and then I look at the still pictures and see two refs apparently jawing big time at Hall, with some very nasty looks on their faces ... I'm not sure it's fair to put it all on Hall the way you guys are doing.

First and foremost, the Refs are out there to make calls, and not get into pizzing contests with the players, so if the Refs are talking smack, they're wrong too, and that amounts to goading. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, that changes the picture slightly, and maybe Hall should be cut a little slack. keep in mind, these guys are fired up, adrenaline pumping, heat of battle, frustration building. If the Refs don't jaw back at Hall, and just ignore him ... then maybe the situation doesn't go south like it did.

You see Refs do this all the time .... someone runs over pleading a case at a Ref, and they wave them off and step away from the player. But if they turn at him and start being hostile and argumentative back .. the Ref has escalated the situation.

Now, I'm not justifying or excusing what Hall did ... he's a grown man too, and can't lose his composure ... so he's wrong, anyway you look at it from that point of view. But suspension? I think not ... there was no physical contact ... and if the official goaded or exacerbated the tension, as Hall claims they did, then a suspension is not called for.

I've said this before, a long time ago .. and others I think have too ... what the Redskins need to do with Hall is convert him to a free safety where he can utilize his ball skills. He's much more a ball hawk type than a cover corner ... but we've been using him as our #1 cover corner for which he is ill suited .. and that puts him on the opponent's best receiver, which may help explain Hall's poor stat numbers and CB ranking.

Given our performance in the secondary and our thinness back there, especially at safety, it seems like we need to figure out a way to make some effective changes, and see if that helps. Since his numbers are so poor at CB ... 97th out of 99 .... I don't think we'd be in danger of a serious downgrade there by replacing him ... and transitioning him to safety. It might give him a resurgence as a play maker, and his disposition and frustration levels might improve along with the overall results.

That's coaching and solving problems. Right now, all I see is a lot of hoping things get better and not enough change to make things better.

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:44 am

chiefhog44 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the NFL is going to suspend Hall

much as I do not like the way Godahell does a lot of things - Hall needs to see that there is absolutely no place for behaving as he did

The Redskins should also do something as well

Was thinking the same thing. Suspend him for the rest of the year. No joke. Does it hurt? Absolutely, but it's for the teams own good. We need a lamb at the bye.

Now this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard ... suspend him for the rest of the year??? For the heinous crime of murder? Nah .. Rape ... nah ... drinking and driving ... nah ... smoking dope ... nope .... taking off his helmet and jawing at a ref.

Maybe he deserves jail time too ... hey, put him in an orange jumpsuit and waterboard him at Gitmo. :roll:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:48 am

RayNAustin wrote:what the Redskins need to do with Hall is convert him to a free safety where he can utilize his ball skills. He's much more a ball hawk type than a cover corner ... but we've been using him as our #1 cover corner for which he is ill suited

+1

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:50 am

RayNAustin wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the NFL is going to suspend Hall

much as I do not like the way Godahell does a lot of things - Hall needs to see that there is absolutely no place for behaving as he did

The Redskins should also do something as well

Was thinking the same thing. Suspend him for the rest of the year. No joke. Does it hurt? Absolutely, but it's for the teams own good. We need a lamb at the bye.

Now this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard ... suspend him for the rest of the year??? For the heinous crime of murder? Nah .. Rape ... nah ... drinking and driving ... nah ... smoking dope ... nope .... taking off his helmet and jawing at a ref.

Maybe he deserves jail time too ... hey, put him in an orange jumpsuit and waterboard him at Gitmo.

I agree, this is being waaaaaaaaay overblown by some here.

Richmond Redskin · Post by **Richmond Redskin** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:13 am

Hall is a hothead, always has been, but his jawing at the ref does not warrant a suspesion by the NFL. Maybe a fine, but not a suspension. I do think that Shanahan should sit him to send a message that that kind of idiotic behavior cannot be tolerated.

I also agree that he should get moved to FS to maximise his skill set.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:27 am

RayNAustin wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the NFL is going to suspend Hall

much as I do not like the way Godahell does a lot of things - Hall needs to see that there is absolutely no place for behaving as he did

The Redskins should also do something as well

Was thinking the same thing. Suspend him for the rest of the year. No joke. Does it hurt? Absolutely, but it's for the teams own good. We need a lamb at the bye.

Now this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard ... suspend him for the rest of the year??? For the heinous crime of murder? Nah .. Rape ... nah ... drinking and driving ... nah ... smoking dope ... nope .... taking off his helmet and jawing at a ref.

Maybe he deserves jail time too ... hey, put him in an orange jumpsuit and waterboard him at Gitmo.

I was at the game, and I may be wrong, but it looked like he bumped him. That is unacceptable. On top of that, this is troubling that we now have 3-4 personal foul calls at the end of the game against us for losing our cool for each one. Obviously coaches are discussing it, so when is enough enough and an example set? A year is excessive, but you get my point. I just want to tack on more games because of his poor play.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If two refs are jawing at him, and I didn't see it, then all parties should get equal penalty. It doesn't let one or the other off just because he was coaxed into it.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:33 am

Are we not still trying to win games here. Some of you are picking character over winning. To those I say: Back away from the computer until you stop crying, THINK about the situation, then return.

Whatever the NFL has planned for Hall is beyond the team's control for now. As soon as he is available to play we will need him back.

I do hope the team learns from this and never drafts another player from Virginia Tech. Seems like all the guys are the same.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:36 am

Richmond Redskin wrote:Hall is a hothead, always has been, but his jawing at the ref does not warrant a suspesion by the NFL. Maybe a fine, but not a suspension. I do think that Shanahan should sit him to send a message that that kind of idiotic behavior cannot be tolerated.

I also agree that he should get moved to FS to maximise his skill set.

I listened to Goodell on Sirius NFL radio yesterday and there is NO way he avoiding a suspension from what he was insinuating. The quote was like,"the NFL has the authority to punish this behavior, and we will use everything in our power to do so. We will not stand for this."

Also I guess Hall had his lawyers set up a meeting with Goodell to discuss. I have got to catch the replay.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:44 am

Those guys calling for a suspension are throwing fuel over a fire.

Just give another opportunity to Goddahell to please his master Mara and HE WILL.

What Hall did was wrong. What the ref did was wrong.

The penalty for what Hall did is a FINE.

The NFL will look like a joke if they suspend him AFTER only giving fines to Bellichek and Kyle who did a lot more than what Hall did.

Do not take your frustration on our players just like you are asking our players not to take their frustrations on the refs.

Richmond Redskin · Post by **Richmond Redskin** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:45 am

ATX_Skins wrote:Are we not still trying to win games here. Some of you are picking character over winning. To those I say: Back away from the computer until you stop crying, THINK about the situation, then return.

Whatever the NFL has planned for Hall is beyond the team's control for now. As soon as he is available to play we will need him back.

I do hope the team learns from this and never drafts another player from Virginia Tech. Seems like all the guys are the same.

I hear you, but at some point the coach needs to put boots to rear to indicate that this kind of garbage is not acceptable. I don't knowHall will be back next year, but a lot of young players on the team will. Sends a bad message IMO.

I want to win every game the Skins play. Hall is not having a good year, but if the best option we have right now.

I tweeted Rich Tandler and he resplied that per his sources it is "highly unlikely" that Shanahan will take any action against Hall so chances are he starts Sunday. If the NFL is going to suspend someone (which I don't think this warrants) they usually do it early in the week so the teams can gameplan accordingly.

Maybe DHall will come back with 4 picks on Sunday and Redskins nation loves him again...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:08 am

If Hall just gets a fine from the NFL - I'm OK with that - I hope that Mike suspends him for what he did to show the others that the players will be held accountable for their stupidity ALSO because of how Hall has behaved here recently when he should be more in control as a leader on this defense

I have always liked the idea of Hall playing safety

Richmond Redskin · Post by **Richmond Redskin** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:25 am

Word is the Redskins will make a claim (have made a claim?) on Sterling Moore CB New England today. Will monitor and see what happens.