Redskins - Giants postgame thread

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:21 pm

oj wrote:The refs made a difference in this game, the same ref that didn't call a helmut being ripped off 'jowls' head made the 'legwhip' call that changed the game.
The refs made some one-sided calls yesterday but the Skins are the ones that lost the game, so i am not all that upset at the refs.
Both Morris and Moss inexplicably put the ball on the ground, i can't remember the last time Moss fumbled and this is the first time i have seen Morris fumble. We could still have won the game with 4 turnovers, unthinkable but we could have.
What is unthinkable and cost us the game is letting Cruse get past the coverage - three guys chased him down the field and i swear i could hear him laughing the entire way. Pitiful.
Mannings' jersey looked pristine at the end of the day and if not for an electrical problem with his helmut he had a 'business as usual' afternoon without any significant distractions. We needed to change that, if we had actually pressured him that pass to Cruse would never have been made. He had too much time in the pocket.
I will say one thing, the Giants are scared of RG3 and the Skins. They know just how lucky they were.

Didn't we get huge pressure right in face? Wasn't he crushed at release? That play was all about a safety not staying overthe top. We had the right guy doubled and blew it.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:32 pm

DarthMonk wrote:Didn't we get huge pressure right in face? Wasn't he crushed at release?

Yes, which is why it's so critical to bump guys off the line; it throws the whole timing off.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:37 pm

Deadskins wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:Didn't we get huge pressure right in face? Wasn't he crushed at release?
Yes, which is why it's so critical to bump guys off the line; it throws the whole timing off.

Agreed

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:44 pm

OK, Ive calmed down enough now.

heres my opinion,

The D-backs guessed wrong on that play and were caught flat footed when Cruz ran that as a streak route. Up until that point he had been breaking that route to the sideline the whole game. probably had it on film too. They gambled and payed for it. Had it gone the way they expected, they had it covered. Up until that point, Eli was held well under 300 yards and the running game was shut down. Usually we give up multiple plays like that 77 yarder, not so much now.

Fact is, this defense with all the injuries, are still making strides. We just went on the road and played one of the best teams in the NFL, turned the ball over 4 times and still almost won that game. Look at the numbers that Giants team put up on San Fran last week on the road.

Im still seeing this team improve week after week and thats encouraging. The turnovers? lets hope that doesnt continue, thats the only step back I saw us take this week or for the season, for that matter.

The second half of this schedule had everyone worried in the beginning. I'm not worried anymore, as a matter of fact I wouldnt be surpised if we ran the table from here out. I know its unlikely but, it wouldn't surprise me.

On to Pittsburgh!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:54 pm

jmooney wrote:OK, Ive calmed down enough now.

heres my opinion,

The D-backs guessed wrong on that play and were caught flat footed when Cruz ran that as a streak route. Up until that point he had been breaking that route to the sideline the whole game. probably had it on film too. They gambled and payed for it. Had it gone the way they expected, they had it covered. Up until that point, Eli was held well under 300 yards and the running game was shut down. Usually we give up multiple plays like that 77 yarder, not so much now.

Fact is, this defense with all the injuries, are still making strides. We just went on the road and played one of the best teams in the NFL, turned the ball over 4 times and still almost won that game. Look at the numbers that Giants team put up on San Fran last week on the road.

Im still seeing this team improve week after week and thats encouraging. The turnovers? lets hope that doesnt continue, thats the only step back I saw us take this week or for the season, for that matter.

The second half of this schedule had everyone worried in the beginning. I'm not worried anymore, as a matter of fact I wouldnt be surpised if we ran the table from here out. I know its unlikely but, it wouldn't surprise me.

On to Pittsburgh!

I'm not an expert and don't have the time to look at the film, so I can't give an opinion on Eli's bomb to Cruz. But I agree with everything else you are saying. I really do believe this was a good game for the Skins. Yes, a bad lapse when it mattered most, and personally I don't have any excuses for the secondary there. But up until that point, we held a very, very good offense on its home turf to a very manageable performance.

In particular, I can say that I'm looking forward to the rest of our NFC East games, because in a real way we have nothing to lose, but both Dallas and Philly are teetering on the brink of a major blowup.

And with RGIII under center, anything can happen, as we have seen week after week after week now. At the beginning of the year I was kind of dreading our upcoming stretch of games. Now, I'm not at all.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:08 pm

jmooney wrote:... The D-backs guessed wrong on that play and were caught flat footed when Cruz ran that as a streak route. ...

You are right BUT ...

... HOW can any secondary get FLATFOOTED when you know they need 7 POINTS. A FG does not do it! THEY NEEDED 7!!!!!

They could have given up a bunch of 1st downs; ALL they had to do was to tighten up to stop a TD.

No, I have NOT calmed down yet. There is no excuse for that score. I would flush Wiliams and Hall down the toilet right now.

Bishop Hammer · Post by **Bishop Hammer** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:45 pm

riggofan wrote:RGIII should NEVER EVER FUMBLE THE BALL. Don't you guys KNOW?????

Yeah shows flashes that he's human and we got to blow up everything.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:59 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
jmooney wrote:OK, Ive calmed down enough now.

heres my opinion,

The D-backs guessed wrong on that play and were caught flat footed when Cruz ran that as a streak route. Up until that point he had been breaking that route to the sideline the whole game. probably had it on film too. They gambled and payed for it. Had it gone the way they expected, they had it covered. Up until that point, Eli was held well under 300 yards and the running game was shut down. Usually we give up multiple plays like that 77 yarder, not so much now.

Fact is, this defense with all the injuries, are still making strides. We just went on the road and played one of the best teams in the NFL, turned the ball over 4 times and still almost won that game. Look at the numbers that Giants team put up on San Fran last week on the road.

Im still seeing this team improve week after week and thats encouraging. The turnovers? lets hope that doesnt continue, thats the only step back I saw us take this week or for the season, for that matter.

The second half of this schedule had everyone worried in the beginning. I'm not worried anymore, as a matter of fact I wouldnt be surpised if we ran the table from here out. I know its unlikely but, it wouldn't surprise me.

On to Pittsburgh!
I'm not an expert and don't have the time to look at the film, so I can't give an opinion on Eli's bomb to Cruz. But I agree with everything else you are saying. I really do believe this was a good game for the Skins. Yes, a bad lapse when it mattered most, and personally I don't have any excuses for the secondary there. But up until that point, we held a very, very good offense on its home turf to a very manageable performance.

In particular, I can say that I'm looking forward to the rest of our NFC East games, because in a real way we have nothing to lose, but both Dallas and Philly are teetering on the brink of a major blowup.

And with RGIII under center, anything can happen, as we have seen week after week after week now. At the beginning of the year I was kind of dreading our upcoming stretch of games. Now, I'm not at all.

Doesn't it feel good?!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:19 pm

emoses14 wrote:Doesn't it feel good?!

Oh yeah.

Never felt that before in my life as a Redskins fan, either.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:58 am

You got you guys are blowing my comment was way out of proportion. All I said was that he needs to get better at holding on to the ball. If they do not work on these things now they will become a big problem in the future. If this was anybody else, rookie or not, people would be screaming for his head. Rookie or not, they need to get it addressed so that it doesn't hurt us down the road. I know who is there will be rookie mistakes. I know he will get better. I am just saying that 7 from both is a lot. They need to go ahead and work on it. He is a beast and he is going to win championships here. Hey just need to get better at holding on to the ball. Some of you need to come off the RG 3 acid trip that he can't do anything wrong.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:20 am

Mississippi Hog wrote:Some of you need to come off the RG 3 acid trip that he can't do anything wrong.

Why? Are you a narc?

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:50 am

I just endured Rex Grossman, John Beck, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Mark Brunell (not the good one), Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks and Jeff George.

RGIII can do no wrong. Quit raining on my freaking parade.

Mississippiskinsfan2 · Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:34 am

riggofan wrote:I just endured Rex Grossman, John Beck, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Mark Brunell (not the good one), Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks and Jeff George.

RGIII can do no wrong. Quit raining on my freaking parade.

+1000

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:41 am

riggofan wrote:I just endured Rex Grossman, John Beck, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Mark Brunell (not the good one), Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks and Jeff George.

RGIII can do no wrong. Quit raining on my freaking parade.

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:43 am

No matter how tough it is to win divisional games, the Skins are gonna have to do just that if they ever hope to become a plyoff/SB caliber team...I've been saying for years the Skins must find a way to win these divisional games and they just can't get it done...they have got to get over this hump or they'll never win anything...

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:40 pm

riggofan wrote:I just endured Rex Grossman, John Beck, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Mark Brunell (not the good one), Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks and Jeff George.

RGIII can do no wrong. Quit raining on my freaking parade.

Donovan McNabb. Just sayin.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:58 pm

emoses14 wrote:
riggofan wrote:I just endured Rex Grossman, John Beck, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Mark Brunell (not the good one), Patrick Ramsey, Tim Hasselbeck, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks and Jeff George.

RGIII can do no wrong. Quit raining on my freaking parade.
Donovan McNabb. Just sayin.

Kirk Cousins, too.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:36 pm

And I thought that this board seemed to have sensible knowledgeable fans who could be somewhat objective.

If you would read my posts, you would see that I give very much praise to RG3. He is AMAZING!!!!! I get chills (ala Chris Matthews at the election of Nobama). I am thrilled and excited to finally have a GREAT qb on this team. He has already, and is going to do great things. He single-handily has made us into a competitive team who will be in pretty much every game we play. But, I do see the importance of him fixing the fumblitis. It hasn't killed us yet, but it could cost us big, especially if one of those is taken back for 6 pts. I was just being objective and acknowledging that he needed to work on that aspect, whether it is concentration, or whatever. They need to get it fixed, and I am confident that they will. I would not trade him for anything, and am super happy that the we made the trade to get him. There is absolutely no player I would rather have. I am just giving the same objective view that the coaches are probably giving. I know some others have fumbled, but he is 2nd in the league in fumbles. I know we haven't lost them all, but he has fumbled one time less than Mike Vick. That is the ONLY negative I see, and as I said, I am confident that they will get it fixed.

One of the great things about this board is that you guys have always been able to be objective. Don't throw that out. HAIL!!!!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:17 pm

No, I say fumble more, damnit!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:36 pm

Mississippi Hog wrote:I know he is a rookie. I am not being a hater. I am still enamored with the guy. All I am saying, is that he does need to improve that aspect. If Morris had 7 fumbles, even though he didn't lose them all, He would not be the starting running back. Look at Matthews in San Diego. He was warned that he would be limited if he didn't secure the ball.

I know he is a rook, an he will improve in that area. Just pointing out that he does need to fix that.

Two of his fumbles came when Alfred knocked the ball out of his hands. One came when he was blasted in the Bengal game while trying to pitch on an option play. If you want to prove that RGIII's fumbles show that he is fumble prone. A description of each fumble might shed some light on your point.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:47 am

Thanks for that info. Unfortunately, I do not get to see many games here in Mississippi. That and the fact that I work many Sundays prevent me from seeing the games. I am not necessarily trying to say that he is fumble prone. Many times I can only follow the play by play on my phone. I see many plays where they say he fumbled. Once again, I am NOT trying to knock his game. Just pointing out that he seem to be having a little bit of trouble holding on to the ball at times and it needs to get fixed. I am sure that RG 3 knows this and is working on it. I was just sayin. Didn't mean to stir up a firestorm and make people mad.

grampi · Post by **grampi** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:02 am

RG3 is amazing, not perfect, but still hard to believe he's a rookie based on his level of play. I think what the coaches need to do now is bring the level of play for the rest of the team up closer to RG3's level. RG3 can't do it all, and the sooner they realize this is a TEAM effort, the sooner they'll become an elite team...

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:51 pm

Mississippi Hog wrote:Thanks for that info. Unfortunately, I do not get to see many games here in Mississippi. That and the fact that I work many Sundays prevent me from seeing the games. I am not necessarily trying to say that he is fumble prone. Many times I can only follow the play by play on my phone. I see many plays where they say he fumbled. Once again, I am NOT trying to knock his game. Just pointing out that he seem to be having a little bit of trouble holding on to the ball at times and it needs to get fixed. I am sure that RG 3 knows this and is working on it. I was just sayin. Didn't mean to stir up a firestorm and make people mad.

You got my curiousity up. There was fumble in the TB game at the goal line that looked like RGIII was across the end zone. Pierre Garcon jumped on it for a touchdown. The broadcast booth saw it as a possible overturn to give RGIII the TD, but the review, that reviews, all scores, quickly made a decsion that the play stood. This was the replacement refs and they seemed to be saying what the heck, it's a Skins' TD anyway, so move on. I was even thinking the league might award RGIII the TD. Replays seems to show he was over the line.

In no way does the link below show anything close to proving what I am saying above, but I posted it just to refresh folks memory about the play I am talkikng about.

http://www.bucsnation.com/2012/9/30/343 ... s-redskins

Here we go:

NO - 1 fumble - ball knocked out of his hands by Morris
CIN - 3 fumbles - 1 lost on that pitch he got slammed - Morris knocked the ball out on another play - I don't recall the third fumble (help)
TB - 1 fumble - the TD fumble mentioned above
Giants - 2 fumbles - the JPP strip - I don't recall the other (help)

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:12 pm

I remember the play, and RGIII definitely lost the ball before he crossed the goal line. The ball was actually going backwards until it bounced off RGIII's knee and went forward into the end zone, where Garcon recovered.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:17 pm

Deadskins wrote:I remember the play, and RGIII definitely lost the ball before he crossed the goal line. The ball was actually going backwards until it bounced off RGIII's knee and went forward into the end zone, where Garcon recovered.

Chalk that one up as a legit fumble.