Post Game Redskins vs Bucs

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:50 am

I'm right there with you guys on the "why do we always have to play these close games" question. But just for some perspective, take a look a the scoreboard from yesterday and see how many games were settled in the last minute by 3 points or less. Lots of good teams in there. 4-0 Atlanta won by the skin of their teeth off a STUPID last minute fumble by Cam Newton. Eagles/Gians 19-17. Saints/Pack 28-27.

I'm just glad for the win. Atlanta this Sunday is going to be a tough, tough game. I would much rather be 2-2 going into that game than 1-3.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:55 am

SkinsJock wrote: Cundiff is not a great kicker but he's showing that he's better than Gano

Is this sarcasm?

If not, what kicker are you watching. The one I'm watching is making 60% of his kicks in an NFL w/o Cundiff kickers are making almost 91% of their kicks. Heck w/o cundiff pulling three NFL down kickers are making 84% at 50+ yatds.

But you didn't compare him to the rest of the NFL kickers you said he was better than Gano. Gano's worst season he made 67% of his kicks (7% better than Cundiff this year). Gano last year with SEVEN blocked kicks he still made 76% (or 16% better than Cundiff!

In four games Cundiff has made 6 of 10. Gano's last four he was 10 of 11 (one was a 50+ yard kick). You have to go back seven games to get to for misses for Gano and he went 16 for 20 (80%).

So how exactly is Cundiff doing better than Gano did?

SkinsJock wrote:

our kicker might be a bit of a worry but our defense is a MAJOR concern

I do agree our defense is a bigger concern than our kicker, but we can't improve our D with one phone call. "Hey Graham, this is Mike Shanahan, I have no idea what I was thinking, please come back because the kicker I replaced you with is much worse!"

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:04 pm

Rg3 on pace for 4200 yards passing and over 1000 yards rushing, 16 passing TDs and 16 rushing TDs!

Three players in the NFL have 4 rushing TDs and two of those three wear Burgundy and Gold!

oj · Post by oj » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:32 pm

I have regular tv and lost the signal just as the last drive started! I finally went out and listened to the radio in my car to find out that we had won! WooHoo!

Here is what i think about cundiff...the offense scores points, the kicker wins the game. If i were the head coach my single best player would be the kicker. Remember Lohmiller? the offense could be mediocre and he would win the game.
If you want to win games you got to have a game winning kicker.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:11 pm

The big thing about this game is not that we won, or made our record 2-2, but the fact that the feeling has already begun, that we CAN win the games that come down to the wire with Griffin on our team. It's called confidence. As time goes on, and it continues to happen, that CAN win attitude will turn into WILL win. For the last forever years, it's been an attitude of we will find a way to lose this game, and now it's turning into a we will find a way to win this game. Confidence is a BIG thing and we are developing it.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:23 pm

Good point chiefhog44. And even in the Rams and Bengals games, RGIII was able to move the team down the field in the last minutes and at least give them a chance to win.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:33 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
grampi wrote:our kicker went 1-4 for the win...we got a lucky win guys.
How is that lucky? We dominated most of the game, and should have been up by 9 more. We won because we were the better team, period.
We should have been up by more than nine. Montgomery killed one drive with a ridiculous clip and Garcon killed another with unsportsmanlike conduct. This unsportsmanlike crap has got to stop. I count three in four games, with one of them costing us a tie and probably the game, and the other the game. We're lucky this one didn't cost us the game. Here's a list of our idiots: Morgan, Kyle, and Garcon. We could be undefeated.

When I came across the below in John Keim's article your post came to mind, Crazyhorse:

One reason Shanahan wasn’t disappointed in the eight penalties? He didn’t think some were correct. Also, he’s pleased with how his receivers are blocking and said they’re taught to block to the whistle. Shanahan said the whistle had not yet blown when Pierre Garcon, about 10 yards from the ball, de-cleated a Tampa defensive back and drew a 15-yard penalty. The play was just about over, however, and the block wasn’t necessary. But the point is valid: there’s a mindset the receivers have and the coaches like it. By the way, Shanahan said Garcon’s foot was fine.

I felt similarly about Kyle's penalty last game, meaning, I'm still not sure it was boneheaded in and of itself because, 1.he was right, 2.I'd rather have an on the ball sharp coordinator than one who takes total BS lying down and 3.I still feel the penalty was ridiculous. As for Garcon, I'm inclined to give him a pass, particularly in light of the above from Mike.

Oh, LINK

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:46 pm

grampi wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
grampi wrote:our kicker went 1-4 for the win...we got a lucky win guys.
How is that lucky? We dominated most of the game, and should have been up by 9 more. We won because we were the better team, period.
What should've been and what was aren't the same thing...and dominating for a half isn't most of the game...and the kicker could've just as easily missed the last one like he did the previous 3...they got lucky...

Yes he couldve easily missed it. Just like RG3 couldve easily thrown an interception or Morris couldve fumbled the ball? The defense could have gave up a touchdown in the end? Anything can happen. But our team won and RG3 had a game winning drive.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:59 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
grampi wrote:
Deadskins wrote: How is that lucky? We dominated most of the game, and should have been up by 9 more. We won because we were the better team, period.
What should've been and what was aren't the same thing...and dominating for a half isn't most of the game...and the kicker could've just as easily missed the last one like he did the previous 3...they got lucky...

Yes he couldve easily missed it. Just like RG3 couldve easily thrown an interception or Morris couldve fumbled the ball? The defense could have gave up a touchdown in the end? Anything can happen. But our team won and RG3 had a game winning drive.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:39 pm

I don't know if someone has already covered this, but it was the beginning of the second half interviews that told you everything you needed to know about what happened in the second half

When talking to the Tampa coaches they said they needed to tighten up and make some adjustments to their game plan.

When talking the the Redskins coaches they said they were happy with how the game had been going (up 21-6) and didn't see it necessary to make a lot of changes.

The Bucs made their changes around our game-plan; we didn't bring much different into the second half. I suspect that's what allowed them to catch up.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:03 pm

Phone and internet were dead yesterday...
But, I sure as hell had my Ticket cranked up.

Folks have heard me complain about Jason Campbell's lack of "it". The lack of that factor is what ultimately doomed his career, and prevented him from becoming a real quarterback... for several years, we waited for that game, where he put the team on his back, and willed a win. That simply never happened.

People... you all witnessed a demonstration of top notch, first class "IT" from young Mr Griffin yesterday... in only his 4th game.

his helmet headset was broken during the last drive... yet, he was cool as ice.

The kid is the real deal. Wow... just wow.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:15 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:The big thing about this game is not that we won, or made our record 2-2, but the fact that the feeling has already begun, that we CAN win the games that come down to the wire with Griffin on our team. It's called confidence. As time goes on, and it continues to happen, that CAN win attitude will turn into WILL win. For the last forever years, it's been an attitude of we will find a way to lose this game, and now it's turning into a we will find a way to win this game. Confidence is a BIG thing and we are developing it.

I got that same feeling last week against Cincy. Griffin almost engineered a 98 yard winning drive in that game- taking us from the 2 to the Cincy 19. That gave me hope to believe that he could do it this week. It is a wonderful feeling to have as a Skins fan!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:18 pm

Countertrey wrote:Phone and internet were dead yesterday...
But, I sure as hell had my Ticket cranked up.

Folks have heard me complain about Jason Campbell's lack of "it". The lack of that factor is what ultimately doomed his career, and prevented him from becoming a real quarterback... for several years, we waited for that game, where he put the team on his back, and willed a win. That simply never happened.

People... you all witnessed a demonstration of top notch, first class "IT" from young Mr Griffin yesterday... in only his 4th game.

his helmet headset was broken during the last drive... yet, he was cool as ice.

The kid is the real deal. Wow... just wow.

+1

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:39 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:The big thing about this game is not that we won, or made our record 2-2, but the fact that the feeling has already begun, that we CAN win the games that come down to the wire with Griffin on our team. It's called confidence. As time goes on, and it continues to happen, that CAN win attitude will turn into WILL win. For the last forever years, it's been an attitude of we will find a way to lose this game, and now it's turning into a we will find a way to win this game. Confidence is a BIG thing and we are developing it.
I got that same feeling last week against Cincy. Griffin almost engineered a 98 yard winning drive in that game- taking us from the 2 to the Cincy 19. That gave me hope to believe that he could do it this week. It is a wonderful feeling to have as a Skins fan!

It's important to note that both of his unsuccessful 2-minute drills were killed by unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that were not his fault. I suspect at least one of those games might have ended in a Skins win without them.

But that doesn't matter now. What's important is that the legend has begun.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:59 pm

This kid is AWESOME!!!

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:04 pm

Who heard the chants of "RG3! RG3! RG3!" Who saw the Tampa players with white sleeves on their left arms?

WHAAAAAAT???

Bob is magic! I am totally sold...

Burgundy&Wha? · Post by **Burgundy&Wha?** » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:33 pm

Magic Bob.

His new Delta Tau Chi nickname.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:15 am

Red_One43 wrote:I got that same feeling last week against Cincy. Griffin almost engineered a 98 yard winning drive in that game- taking us from the 2 to the Cincy 19

But for the stupid decision to kick onsides with 3:35 left in the game, that drive would have been a game winner.

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:52 am

Let it go Deadskins. Who knows what would have happened, but I bet the Rams would have been a little more likely not to just give up like they did when they recovered the onsides kick. They would have had a couple first downs, iced the game, an no death threats either because no controversy at the end except why didn't we kick it onsides knowing how bad our D was? Right? So woulda, coulda, shoulda, that is already two weeks old and ancient history.

Love your posts most of the time, but that topic is a dead horse.

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:43 am

I got to hand it to Snyder, he sure knows how to create buzz to his customers around his product. particulary right after a period of bad pr/business.....in comes a Joe Gibbs back to coaching, or a heralded qb that just in the number of draft picks given up for him FORCeS buzz.

while he has played great, I'm wondering if/when the Snyders customers will turn their attention awY from Snyders latest shiny toy that appeases the customer bas and back to the entire product, which is still.....after all these years.....very mediocre at best.

I mean, let's not forget, it took a last second fg to beat the Tampa bay buccaneers just to keep their season from being all but over already at 1-3.

u want other people to take notice (I know you, you say you dont , but a basic human emotion is attention) ...try this little challenge on for size.

here's the challenge: win 3 games in a row.ccand if you really want to impress, win four games in a row.

congrats, you just completed the easy part of the schedule. let's see how this fares over the long haul.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:46 am

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Let it go Deadskins. Who knows what would have happened, but I bet the Rams would have been a little more likely not to just give up like they did when they recovered the onsides kick. They would have had a couple first downs, iced the game, an no death threats either because no controversy at the end except why didn't we kick it onsides knowing how bad our D was? Right? So woulda, coulda, shoulda, that is already two weeks old and ancient history.

Love your posts most of the time, but that topic is a dead horse.

May be a dead horse, but it was only a week ago. The Rams game was two weeks back. That's when we should have gone for the first down rather than kicking the FG.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:08 am

Deadskins wrote:
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Let it go Deadskins. Who knows what would have happened, but I bet the Rams would have been a little more likely not to just give up like they did when they recovered the onsides kick. They would have had a couple first downs, iced the game, an no death threats either because no controversy at the end except why didn't we kick it onsides knowing how bad our D was? Right? So woulda, coulda, shoulda, that is already two weeks old and ancient history.

Love your posts most of the time, but that topic is a dead horse.
May be a dead horse, but it was only a week ago. The Rams game was two weeks back. That's when we should have gone for the first down rather than kicking the FG.

I'm thinking we punted but agree on both points. Lost momentum by not going for it and kicking onside with too much time left. The argument that "Shanny knows more" is weak. Good coaches make mistakes. So do I. I disagree with those decisions and agree with the Deadman.

Dead horse? Maybe. But evidience points in a certain direction and it's good to remember evidence.

DarthMonk