Carriker..and...Orakpo BOTH are OUT for the SEASON

[The Hogster]

Skins Re-Sign OLB Markus White. I like this move. He played well in the preseason, and should be able to help now that Orakpo is out with the torn pectoral muscle.

Per The Washington Post

White announced the signing Tuesday morning via Twitter, and a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed the move.
Drafted in the seventh round out of Florida State by Washington in 2011, White appeared in two games as a rookie. He did well in the preseason, but still ranked behind veterans Orakpo, Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson.
The Redskins released a White before the start of the season and he signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ practice squad.
Wilson and Jackson are competing for the starting right outside linebacker spot previously held by Orakpo, who suffered a season ending injury on Sunday. Orakpo will have surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle and is expected to require four month recovery time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... kus-white/

If anything, we're cursed with a sub par training staff. But, Orakpo just needs to get the surgery, and allow the full year to heal. He'll be back next season. He tore it Week 17 of last year, and didn't get surgery until January. He was back training on it for offseason workouts too soon, and the scar tissue never healed up. If he gets the surgery and rests it long enough, then re-habs it properly, he should be good to go by Week 1 next year.

[Chris Luva Luva]

For everyone crying about this being the end of the world.

This is how you create quality depth. This is how your rookies and backups become viable assets. They step up and rise to the occasion, if you've drafted quality guys. That's the test we'll have to go through.

It's no different than how the injuries at offensive line have provided us with good depth.

[SkinsJock]

For everyone crying about this being the end of the world.

This is how you create quality depth. This is how your rookies and backups become viable assets. They step up and rise to the occasion, if you've drafted quality guys. That's the test we'll have to go through.

It's no different than how the injuries at offensive line have provided us with good depth.

injuries are a part of the NFL and always will be - I agree with Chris ..

this franchise is still putting things together from the disaster that was dumb & dumber - we will see more players getting a chance

I look at this as giving guys a chance to show what they can do - we will be even deeper next season

This season was and still is most likely an 8 to 10 win season - we will continue the process under Bruce and Mike

not good guys ... certainly not the end of the season for this team

[riggofan]

For everyone crying about this being the end of the world.

This is how you create quality depth. This is how your rookies and backups become viable assets. They step up and rise to the occasion, if you've drafted quality guys. That's the test we'll have to go through.

It's no different than how the injuries at offensive line have provided us with good depth.

injuries are a part of the NFL and always will be - I agree with Chris ..

this franchise is still putting things together from the disaster that was dumb & dumber - we will see more players getting a chance

I look at this as giving guys a chance to show what they can do - we will be even deeper next season

This season was and still is most likely an 8 to 10 win season - we will continue the process under Bruce and Mike

not good guys ... certainly not the end of the season for this team

+1 and +1. I'll just add that the Rams o-line was supposedly killed by injuries going into last Sunday and looked like they did a pretty good job.

I don't know if we'll be an 8 or 10 win team - or even a 3 or 4 win team. But you don't throw in the towel because a couple guys got hurt.

[welch]

Depth depth and more depth. Tpugh with the salary cap, but it's necessary.

Curse? Hmmm:

- JK Cooke took the team away from John Cooke by the terms of his will. Team was bound to end up in the clutches of someone like Danny Snyder.

- Maybe this is the curse of George Preston Marshall? He was a racist thieving nut -- paid himself the Redskin profits as a "salary", but never paid his partner, Harry Wismer. Redskins as a company owned the Georegtown house that Marshall lived in. Still, GPM owned the Redskins until Edward Bennett Williams sold shares to Cooke at a steep discount while Marshall was disabled from something like a stroke. Williams had power-of-attorney.

Of course, the Marshall way is about as bad as the Snyder way. Marshall would not have a black player on the Redskins, while Snyder is beyond that, but Marshall once fired a coach during a game. Snyder waited until a game was over to fire Norv Turner.

OK, there are similarities.

[markshark84]

Curse -- no. This team has injuries just like all other teams in the NFL. The problem is that this franchise has historically mortgaged their future (i.e., its future draft picks) on FAs. Those picks that were mortgaged away are what creates depth and make these types of injuries less critical. Because we have no depth, these injuries are much more severe. It appears like a curse, but it happens to everyone.

As far as JKC's will -- and I personally know a couple attys that were called in on it -- it was totally screwed up. He got bad advice. There were a ton of events that JKC did not see happening (but most likely should have). JKC was a hard worker and EARNED what he accumulated throughout his life. He wanted his children to have the same work ethic -- but it worked to his detrmient. He wanted the team to stay in the family, but -- as with the current skins -- just didn't excute correctly.

No I do agree with Chris in that these opportunities create depth. Isn't this the same way Pierce got his chance when Barrow went down? Jackson or Robinson or Wilson will have an opportunity. I personally think MS will give all of them an opporutnity to show what they can do. I just hope one of them produces because Orakpo is basically irreplaceable.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

Were we wining the Super Bowl this year with a rookie QB? No. Was this season always about watching our young franchise QB develop and hopefully be in line for Super Bowl runs 2-3 years from now? Yes. It is a shame about Rak and Adam but their injuries do not change the above statements one bit.

You're right, they don't change the fact that this team was never headed for a Super Bowl. What they have done is to put this offenes, and its rookie quarterback in a position where they are going to have to be the straw that stirs the drink. No longer will this offense be able to take a breather occasionally and say "The defense will pick it up for us" No, they are now in a position where they NEED to put points on the board almost every possession and to score TOUCHDOWNS rather than Field Goals the vast majority of the time. Add the need to overcome their Special Teams play as well, and that's a whole lot to ask of a Rookie Quarterback.

[Chris Luva Luva]

No I do agree with Chris in that these opportunities create depth. Isn't this the same way Pierce got his chance when Barrow went down? Jackson or Robinson or Wilson will have an opportunity. I personally think MS will give all of them an opporutnity to show what they can do. I just hope one of them produces because Orakpo is basically irreplaceable.

That's the thing. We have to hope that our drafts have been quality... I tend to think that they have been.

This also leads to us growing our own talent. How many LB's has Baltimore let go and they fizzle away? Yet, they always have someone ready to step up and they aren't all top 5 draft picks. So, maybe Orakpo gets traded for more picks if one of our young guys explodes onto the scene... We will see.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

wow...it's like that, Huh? Are you a fan or what???

NEXT MAN UP........THIS IS THE N.OT.....F.OR......L.ONG......!!!

I am a fan. What I am not is a pie in the sky, rose colored glasses, head up my ***, HOMER; which is what a large percentage of the people around here seem to be. I call them like I see them. I have no problem pointing out faults, mistakes, and holes in this team. I never have.

Next Man Up was great back before the Salary Cap Era when you could have some depth on your team. Nowadays those backups are often simply whatever you could afford after you paid the starters what they were worth.

[The Hogster]

Brian Orakpo is a 2 Time Pro Bowler. But, this is the NFL. The next guy up is not a bum. I expect to see a rotation in there with Jackson & Wilson both getting time. Wilson is a very good pass rusher, but the knock on him is run support. Jackson is the better all around guy.

These things happen every year. It sucks it had to be Rak, but don't be surprised if the next man up makes the loss easier to handle.

[markshark84]

No I do agree with Chris in that these opportunities create depth. Isn't this the same way Pierce got his chance when Barrow went down? Jackson or Robinson or Wilson will have an opportunity. I personally think MS will give all of them an opporutnity to show what they can do. I just hope one of them produces because Orakpo is basically irreplaceable.

That's the thing. We have to hope that our drafts have been quality... I tend to think that they have been.

This also leads to us growing our own talent. How many LB's has Baltimore let go and they fizzle away? Yet, they always have someone ready to step up and they aren't all top 5 draft picks. So, maybe Orakpo gets traded for more picks if one of our young guys explodes onto the scene... We will see.

As far as BAL (and you may be saying this, but I'm not sure), I think that has more to do with the personnell around them more than the FO's ability to make solid defensive picks in rounds 4-7. When you have Ray Lewis, Reed, Ngata, and the other BAL DLman combined with the insanely influencial leadership of Ray Lewis -- it makes things a lot easier for the other players to succeed. That IMHO, is why those LBs have fizzled away after leaving BAL. In this game (and I think all of us know this), the players around you are equally important to the talent you have.

Right now we don't have the talent surrounding those guys. We have Fletcher, Kerrigan, and Hall, but not the key pieces to center a defense around. That said, I do believe that Fletcher and Orakpo are those guys, but Fletcher only has a couple years left and Orakpo is out. But, going back to Pierce -- IMHO, I believe that is why he was so affective in NY. He had guys around him. Right now, we don't have that.

We need to build that via the draft. All those BAL guys I mentioned above -- they were drafted by BAL and built around. In fact, there are currently only 2 defensive starters BAL didn't draft. And one of those 2 was picked up off a practice squad and never played a game with the team who drafted him.

I think we are on the same page in that we need to grow our talent. This may be the opportunity to do so, but we need to also look forward via the draft (although we need so much; an OL, DL, DB, CBs...). Based on the past 2 games, it is OBVIOUS that our defense has now become our weak link (although we really only scored 21 points against STL, which is below the "mendoza line" of 24" needed to support a D).

[Chris Luva Luva]

As far as BAL (and you may be saying this, but I'm not sure), I think that has more to do with the personnell around them more than the FO's ability to make solid defensive picks in rounds 4-7. When you have Ray Lewis, Reed, Ngata, and the other BAL DLman combined with the insanely influencial leadership of Ray Lewis -- it makes things a lot easier for the other players to succeed. That IMHO, is why those LBs have fizzled away after leaving BAL. In this game (and I think all of us know this), the players around you are equally important to the talent you have.

We aren't at their level, that's not what I'm saying. But we have inched closer to a similiar situation. We have a good NT, and good ends that keep our LB's pretty clean. We have a leader in Fletcher that is equal to the leadership of Ray Lewis. The Ravens pass rush has dropped off with the loss of Sizzle, but their rookie is keeping things afloat. Hopefully that's what we can have here. What will be interesting is how/if they take advantage of increased protection sliding towards Kerrigan.

Right now we don't have the talent surrounding those guys. We have Fletcher, Kerrigan, and Hall, but not the key pieces to center a defense around. That said, I do believe that Fletcher and Orakpo are those guys, but Fletcher only has a couple years left and Orakpo is out. But, going back to Pierce -- IMHO, I believe that is why he was so affective in NY. He had guys around him. Right now, we don't have that.

IMO, as stateda bout Ngata makes that defense work. He keeps the LB's clean. We have Cofield who attracts enough attention to keep our guys kinda clean. He's not in Ngata's category but he's doing good.

We need to build that via the draft. All those BAL guys I mentioned above -- they were drafted by BAL and built around. In fact, there are currently only 2 defensive starters BAL didn't draft. And one of those 2 was picked up off a practice squad and never played a game with the team who drafted him.

I think we're getting there.

I think we are on the same page in that we need to grow our talent. This may be the opportunity to do so, but we need to also look forward via the draft (although we need so much; an OL, DL, DB, CBs...). Based on the past 2 games, it is OBVIOUS that our defense has now become our weak link (although we really only scored 21 points against STL, which is below the "mendoza line" of 24" needed to support a D).

Yea, we've had sooo many holes that it's just gonna take more time and more drafts. They'll have to supplement via FA for a while.

[44diesel]

Looks like Jarvis Jenkins is going to get his chance to start this week. He looked great last pre season until his knee injury. I remember reading an article a while back on redskins.com about how hard he was fighting to rehab and get back on the field. I hope he can use that hunger to fill in nicely for Carriker this season.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... eedID=6355

Wishing for a healthy and speedy recovery for for both Brian and Adam!

[Redskin in Canada]

Calm down, people. This is not our year, it never was.

It is not as if the World is coming to an end. We do not have a great defense in terms of points per game or total points allowed. Our defense has allowed 63 points in two games. That is the SECOND WORST in the entire league. Only Buffalo's defense has allowed more points at 65 (if two points are any consolation). We are also 28th in total yards allowed, 810 in two games).

Our strength on defense was and still might be in the front seven. I believe and agree that the replacements for Carriker and Orakpo will play adequately and even may make great progress. HOWEVER, that is not the greatest concern. Anybody who saw what Brees/receivers and Bradford/Amendola did to us knows that our secondary is in real trouble.

It is not the end of the World NOW because we did not have a Superbowl team to start with from the beginning of this season. This team was and still is a work in progress and many parts are beginning to look in place for next season.

So, these injuries and the loss to the Rams serve to arrive at two conclusions:

1) Put into perspective that RGIII is not superhuman. He will make mistakes and still needs good players around him. Garcon alone might have made a difference in some key plays (remember the big drop by Robinson, for example). The OL, together with the defense game plan by Hasleet, looked horrible against the Rams.

2) We had questions about our secondary coming into the season and we are getting answers already after two games. The loss of two starters may add further pressure to the secondary.

However, the real answer to these two injuries lies in adjusting and developing better game plans for our defense. We will get abused BADLY if we repeat and keep that zone defense all the time against some teams in the NFC East.

Will the coaches adjust? They will. But it is an almost different ball game on defense and we can hardly afford any further injuries.

So, for a team that was expected to have a miserable season by most "experts", I say that we are close to achieve an 8-8 season.

The World has not come to an end. What may come to an end soon are the overly exaggerated expectations of failure and another bad losing season by many "experts", and also the overly exaggerated expectations of playoffs and even Superbowl for some Redskins fans ater the Saints game.

Perspective, people. Perspective.

[skinsfan#33]

. Our defense has allowed 63 points in two games. That is the SECOND WORST in the entire league.:

Actually the defense has allowed 56 points and ST have up the other 7, but I get your point.

My problem is why our D makes decent, but not special, recievers look like HoFers.
Watch next week it won't be AJ Green that kills us it will beHawkins.

[Deadskins]

This is not our year, it never was.

Boo!

[UK Skins Fan]

Calm down, people. This is not our year, it never was.

It is not as if the World is coming to an end.

I take your point RiC, but your post prompted me to look back through all the other posts in this thread. I can't see a post from anybody (apart from a couple of well known loons, who I shouldn't even need to name) suggesting that the World was coming to an end, and I am actually surprised at the general level of calmness about these injuries.

Perhaps all of the doom merchants are posting in their own thread. Certainly, a lot of people, including me, were very down after the loss to the Rams, but nobody seems to have thrown themselves off the cliff even after fairly devastating injuries to two key defensive players.

I'm really not sure what my point is(lol), except to say that I think you make a generally good point, but it's probably in the wrong thread

[Redskin in Canada]

This is not our year, it never was.

Boo!

It was evident that after our first game against the Saints with impecable game plans and their great executions, most fans were ready to go to the playoffs ... at least.

RGIII was achieving instant HOF status. He had superhuman strengths and powers. The expectations only grew to an unrealistic level. Why argue with intoxicating success?

A reality check of OUR own expectations is in order. This second game provided much needed sobriety after an intoxicating win.

RGIII alone gets a break from unrealistic expectations by fans and the media. He is human. He needs a good cast around him. He will do well this season.

SB? Playoffs?

Not yet. Not this year. But the solid progress achieved by the Skins cannot be denied by our worst critics anymore. The critics look like clowns now after their predictions of 4 - 12 or worse.

[Redskin in Canada]

. Our defense has allowed 63 points in two games. That is the SECOND WORST in the entire league.:

Actually the defense has allowed 56 points and ST have up the other 7, but I get your point.

My problem is why our D makes decent, but not special, recievers look like HoFers.
Watch next week it won't be AJ Green that kills us it will beHawkins.

We will prevail BUT I am sure that Dalton/Green/Hawkins will have a good game.

We better score some points and I trust that Garcon will be back. We also play at home and it is an opportunity to welcome the team and RGIII at FedEx.

[Deadskins]

This is not our year, it never was.

Boo!

SB? Playoffs?

Not yet. Not this year.

I said boo, Sir! Boooooooooo!