Pistol Formation

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Is it me or does the running game seem to really suffer when they are in the pistol formation? Our stretch runs have worked better, imo, the last two weeks particularly behind Trent and Kory (who's played suprisingly well given his injury). I think they need to mix in some more traditional sets to add to this pistol formation, the only good coming out of it are play action passes and QB keeps but defenses seem to be stopping the run pretty easy when we're in it. Also, it doesn't seem like Fred Davis is currently all that involved in the game plan which I don't get. He's a mis-match for most LB's and safeties.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:11 pm

I am also concerned about Fred Davis being involved in the game plan. While I am not too worried about the offense overall. I still would like to see Davis involved more.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:16 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:I am also concerned about Fred Davis being involved in the game plan. While I am not too worried about the offense overall. I still would like to see Davis involved more.

It appears to me that Davis hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities that he's had... Why should he get more, with the large numbers of drops... and oops... accidentally taking the direct snap from center, because he pretty clearly forgot what he was supposed to be doing on that play...

... and why is Niles Paul on this team?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:20 pm

oneman56 wrote:Is it me or does the running game seem to really suffer when they are in the pistol formation? Our stretch runs have worked better, imo, the last two weeks particularly behind Trent and Kory (who's played suprisingly well given his injury). I think they need to mix in some more traditional sets to add to this pistol formation, the only good coming out of it are play action passes and QB keeps but defenses seem to be stopping the run pretty easy when we're in it. Also, it doesn't seem like Fred Davis is currently all that involved in the game plan which I don't get. He's a mis-match for most LB's and safeties.

When the Skins, had their 80 yard drive, RGIII was under center for most of it. I think that that is our future. Keep the pistol, but mix it up with more traditional O than pistol.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:31 pm

The pistol formation works fine. We just lost! LOL So everything looks worse. Had we not played matador on Special Teams and won the game by 20 like we should have, all would be well in Skins land.

If anything, Jim Haslett needs to tweak what he's doing. As does Danny Smith. The offense is doing their job--as odd as that sounds--SMH.

We can't seem to put it all together. If we could pair the Redskins 2005-2009 Defense and ST with today's offense, we'd be winning every week. Our defense has given up 30 points way too often over the last 2 seasons.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:47 pm

The Hogster wrote:If anything, Jim Haslett needs to tweak what he's doing. As does Danny Smith. The offense is doing their job--as odd as that sounds--SMH.

Agreed. It's been so long since we've been able to say that, that it sounds strange, but I think it's correct.

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:40 pm

The Hogster wrote:The pistol formation works fine. We just lost! LOL So everything looks worse. Had we not played matador on Special Teams and won the game by 20 like we should have, all would be well in Skins land.

If anything, Jim Haslett needs to tweak what he's doing. As does Danny Smith. The offense is doing their job--as odd as that sounds--SMH.

We can't seem to put it all together. If we could pair the Redskins 2005-2009 Defense and ST with today's offense, we'd be winning every week. Our defense has given up 30 points way too often over the last 2 seasons.

I'm not picking on the overall offense at all and I agree the pistol has worked to some degree in PA and QB keeps but the run game suffers while in it from what I'm seeing. I was simply wondering if anyone else noticed the same and not intending to knock an offense that's averaging 34 points a game so far. If they can figure out how to run out of that formation things should get scary for defenses

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:40 pm

The Hogster wrote:The pistol formation works fine. We just lost! LOL So everything looks worse. Had we not played matador on Special Teams and won the game by 20 like we should have, all would be well in Skins land.

If anything, Jim Haslett needs to tweak what he's doing. As does Danny Smith. The offense is doing their job--as odd as that sounds--SMH.

We can't seem to put it all together. If we could pair the Redskins 2005-2009 Defense and ST with today's offense, we'd be winning every week. Our defense has given up 30 points way too often over the last 2 seasons.

I'm not picking on the overall offense at all and I agree the pistol has worked to some degree in PA and QB keeps but the run game suffers while in it from what I'm seeing. I was simply wondering if anyone else noticed the same and not intending to knock an offense that's averaging 34 points a game so far. If they can figure out how to run out of that formation things should get scary for defenses.

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:49 pm

oneman56 wrote:Is it me or does the running game seem to really suffer when they are in the pistol formation?

of course it does, its a sawed-off shotgun formation, the QB receives the ball on a pitch; everything is different in terms of the running game. its a finesse style of football.

the redskins are running a gimmick college offense as they have centered EVERYTHING around the guy they used 3 first round picks and a high second pick to get.

the only problem is, as I've said since day one, he ain't going to last. he was getting BLASTED in that game. by year two, he'll be missing games.

by year three, they'll be scrapping most of this gimmick stuff.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:03 pm

the poster wrote:
oneman56 wrote:Is it me or does the running game seem to really suffer when they are in the pistol formation?
of course it does, its a sawed-off shotgun formation, the QB receives the ball on a pitch; everything is different in terms of the running game. its a finesse style of football.

the redskins are running a gimmick college offense as they have centered EVERYTHING around the guy they used 3 first round picks and a high second pick to get.

the only problem is, as I've said since day one, he ain't going to last. he was getting BLASTED in that game. by year two, he'll be missing games.

by year three, they'll be scrapping most of this gimmick stuff.

how about a machine gun............

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:04 pm

Shck-chik BOM.. :cricketschurping:

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:12 am

Countertrey wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I am also concerned about Fred Davis being involved in the game plan. While I am not too worried about the offense overall. I still would like to see Davis involved more.
It appears to me that Davis hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities that he's had... Why should he get more, with the large numbers of drops... and oops... accidentally taking the direct snap from center, because he pretty clearly forgot what he was supposed to be doing on that play...

... and why is Niles Paul on this team?

Well what I really want is for Davis to get it going. He was supposed to have a breakout year. If it is him fouling up his oppurtunities then I would say lets bring in Paulson. I like Paulson.

I cant say much about Niles Paul. I have seen him in a few plays. However those few plays he didnt do much. Paulson I seen on one play. The one catch I seen Paulson make I was highly encouraged from what I saw. Paulson is more of the Big, physical target. The classic tight end. Which I like a whole lot.

When it comes to Davis we all know he has loads of talent. Just does not feel right when you have a talent like Davis and he is not living up to the potential. Especially when we have seen him do well a few games in the past.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:29 am

Countertrey wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I am also concerned about Fred Davis being involved in the game plan. While I am not too worried about the offense overall. I still would like to see Davis involved more.
It appears to me that Davis hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities that he's had... Why should he get more, with the large numbers of drops... and oops... accidentally taking the direct snap from center, because he pretty clearly forgot what he was supposed to be doing on that play...

Loss of short term memory? Uh oh.

oneman56 · Post by **oneman56** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:24 am

the poster wrote:
oneman56 wrote:Is it me or does the running game seem to really suffer when they are in the pistol formation?
of course it does, its a sawed-off shotgun formation, the QB receives the ball on a pitch; everything is different in terms of the running game. its a finesse style of football.

the redskins are running a gimmick college offense as they have centered EVERYTHING around the guy they used 3 first round picks and a high second pick to get.

the only problem is, as I've said since day one, he ain't going to last. he was getting BLASTED in that game. by year two, he'll be missing games.

by year three, they'll be scrapping most of this gimmick stuff.

you can call it gimmicky or whatever you want, i really don't care but the offense is supposed to have read options to it and it's not working in the run game outside of QB keeps and that is the point of me bringing this up...not whether or not it's gimmicky, college style, etc and if the run game continues to suffer it's going to be easier to defend. As far as QB's missing games, almost all of them due so what exactly is your point..actually what is your point on anything you comment about (in all seriousness) ? Brees, Manning, Vick, Brady, etc....the list goes on and on for both style of qb's. RGIII may or may not miss games but that's really out of anyones control, he has to be him and if he gets hurt so be it, injuries are part of the game. Also, they may scrap this formation in year 3, they may scrap a lot of formations as RGIII grows or as the game evolves like it does all the time so stating such is, well.....pointless.

Poster,

I have a few questions for you and i'm not one to ignore your posts or call you a troll because I really have no issues with someone pointing out issues of my team or my interests... so here goes. Why are you even on this board? I'd honestly like to know and while you're here i'd like to know who your favorite team may be or are you not willing to say so? It seems a little juvenile to come to a teams message board and spend time spewing off about said team and there issues while refraining from revealing anything about yourself. I keep reading your posts and honestly wonder why you're here? Anyways, perhaps you'll answer or maybe you won't and to be honest, i'm not sure i care but figured i'd put it out there.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:32 am

This "food" has been offered to the troll on many occasions. Studies of the troll scat have revealed that it just doesn't matter why it craps in the woods.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:45 pm

Grading the Redskins O

Comment: Two games into the 2012 season, the Redskins’ offense has exceeded expectations. The unit leads the league in points scored (34) and ranks fourth in yards per game (416). This, by the way, comes just a year after the unit finished 26th in scoring, averaging a paltry 18 points per week

I posted this stat on the post game thread, but I will post it here since it is more appropriate:

Redskins - 5 times inside the 10 yard line - 5 TDS. Big difference from last year. What a difference a QB makes.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:55 pm

Longest offensive play last year - 51 yards
This year - 88 yrds in the first game and 68 yrds in the second.

Translation: In each of two games, plays longer than our longest play from last year.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:39 pm

Am I the only one that wants to see (barring big hits of course) RGiii break that stat with a run??
Finally got to see him air it out last game I loved it... Except Hanktime almost dropped and Robinson did. I want to go on record- we will see one of those to my lil man BB soon, sooner then later Im predicting!

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:56 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Longest offensive play last year - 51 yards
This year - 88 yrds in the first game and 68 yrds in the second.

Translation: In each of two games, plays longer than our longest play from last year.

record after 2 games last year: 2-0
record after 2 games this year: 1-1

what's the point. who cares about stats. wins and losses are what matters.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:09 pm

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:22 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

thanks for the bump , sweetie. and thanks in advance for the next one. keep me where I belong, on the top here.

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:57 pm

The Hogster wrote:The pistol formation works fine. We just lost! LOL So everything looks worse. Had we not played matador on Special Teams and won the game by 20 like we should have, all would be well in Skins land.

If anything, Jim Haslett needs to tweak what he's doing. As does Danny Smith. The offense is doing their job--as odd as that sounds--SMH.

We can't seem to put it all together. If we could pair the Redskins 2005-2009 Defense and ST with today's offense, we'd be winning every week. Our defense has given up 30 points way too often over the last 2 seasons.

Funny ,,, I was just thinking we need the pistol formation on defense, to replace the pea shooter formation that isn't working out so well.

oj · Post by oj » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:47 am

It seems to me that Morris cannot run up the middle, his real gains are when he bounces things to the outside. If i can see a pattern then defensive coaches can see a pattern.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:59 am

let's see how things go this week

there's way too much effort being put into loooking at these last 2 games that were so completely different

we are an 8 to 10 win team and are still looking like being able to do that

we also are showing signs of having a decent product on the field each week

I'm looking forward to the players and coordinators having a better outing against the Bengals

RGIII's first home game - it's going to be loud

HTTR

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:16 pm

SkinsJock wrote:RGIII's first home game - it's going to be loud

Let's hope the home crowd knows enough to be quiet while RGIII is on the field.

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