Lichtensteiger's knee scoped - What Shape is the O Line in?

[Red_One43]

In summary, IF we stay injury free across the line then we may well get away with it....

IN SHANNY WE TRUST!

That's a mighty big "IF," you got there, but my "IF" is bigger than yours.

I am with you though. When you look across the board with O lines - Pittsburgh, NYG, Cowboys, Cardinals, they are all suffering O line injuries.
Shanny is doing a good job with what he has to work with to include cap space and players.

[SkinsJock]

we are not exactly ready to be a contender here

Sure we are. With RGIII at the helm, we would have been a contender last year.

we might have been a contender with any decent QB .. so what - the teams we're playing this season are different too

This QB will not be allowed to make risky plays or risk injury

Not be allowed? Just exactly how do you propose they inforce that? Are they going to bench him?

^^ where do you come up with these suggestions

"inforce" - not sure what that is

however ... most of us understand what we're about to see

let me help

the offensive play calling and the offensive game plan will be to take advantage of this future great QBs talent

AND

to not take un-necessary risks ... especially taking into account this O line


we now have the QB that will lead this franchise for years (NOT just this season) - Mike will NOT let Kyle's play calling put that at risk

[Red_One43]

Shanny not satisfied with our O line depth as it is

According to media reports, the Redskins put in waiver claims on two interior linemen released by other teams.

Redskins put in a claim on a center Cody Wallace, per a report on Pro Football Talk. Wallace is a journeyman lineman who has spent time with the 49ers, who drafted him in the fourth round in 2008, Lions and Jets. However, the Bucs also claimed Wallace and they had priority so the 28-year-old is headed to Tampa Bay.

Waiver priority is based on 2011 records.

The Redskins also were beaten out on a claim for former Texans guard Shelley Smith. Adam Schefter reported via Twitter that Washington, Seattle, Tennessee and St. Louis put in waiver claims on Smith, a 2010 sixth-round pick of Houston’s. The Rams have waiver priority over every team except the Colts so they were awarded Smith ...

Note that these are not necessarily the only offensive linemen claimed by the Redskins, these are just the only two that were reported.

This is not to say that he is dissatified with the O line depth, but, like he said, when there is a guy out there that fits the scheme and is better than what we have for depth, he goes after him.

[SkinsJock]

In summary, IF we stay injury free across the line then we may well get away with it....

IN SHANNY WE TRUST!

I don't really "trust" Mike but I do think that he and Bruce have done fairly well at trying to undo the mess they inherited

I do look for some improvement from the O line but in fact a lot of that will be because the QB and the play calling will help

another year is all we need

[Red_One43]

Tandler and El-Bashir's 20 Questions in 20 Days - Offensive Line

None inspires great confidence but you can always hide one weak spot. If one starter is out of a game, the Redskins should be OK. Multiple injuries along the line, however, could have us seeing more 10-sack performances.

If Coach Mike Shanahan wasn’t worried, he wouldn’t have attempted to claim two linemen on waivers Sunday. When healthy, the starting unit is adequate. But right now, it’s not healthy. Left guard Kory Lichtensteiger says he’ll be ready for the Saints after a second surgical procedure on his right knee in 10 months. But how ready? It’s seems doubtful right tackle Jammal Brown will suit up at all this season due to a bum hip. Brown’s backup, Tyler Polumbus, had a strong preseason, but how will he fare when the games count? Questions abound

I tend to agree more with Tandler, injuries are the key and especially if they happen early like last year.

I agre with El-Bashir about how ready Kory will be. It takes at least a calender year to come back from an ACL (unless you are Rice or T.O.). Kory had an ACL and MCL and that was in October. We saw Hightower try to come back to early and we saw Kory have a setback.

I am expecting the five to look like this:

Williams, Hurt, Monty, Chester, Polumbus - this is a better line than we finshed the year with.

We have Williams, Hurt is said to have improved at guard, Monty? Well Monty looks the same, Chester should be improved based on the experience he now has and Polumbus is said to be holding his own with some ups and downs (same as last year). That's three improvements out of 5. Depth? Better than last year - at this time. If given time before the injuries happen and they will, we will be OK (like Tandler said and like SLR, too)

[Deadskins]

we are not exactly ready to be a contender here

Sure we are. With RGIII at the helm, we would have been a contender last year.

we might have been a contender with any decent QB .. so what - the teams we're playing this season are different too

This QB will not be allowed to make risky plays or risk injury

Not be allowed? Just exactly how do you propose they inforce that? Are they going to bench him?

^^ where do you come up with these suggestions

"inforce" - not sure what that is

however ... most of us understand what we're about to see

let me help

the offensive play calling and the offensive game plan will be to take advantage of this future great QBs talent

AND

to not take un-necessary risks ... especially taking into account this O line


we now have the QB that will lead this franchise for years (NOT just this season) - Mike will NOT let Kyle's play calling put that at risk

OK, so I mispelled "enforce," but you still didn't explain your "allowed to" comment. I suspect you didn't really mean what you said. Care to take another crack at it? And don't give me any of that not taking unnecessary risks in play calling. That's just a joke. Who would call unnecessarily risky plays for any QB, much less a rookie?

[Red_One43]

Redskins‏@Redskins

Behind Trent Williams at #Redskins LT is Maurice Hurt, who played primarily at LG last season. Jordan Black backs up Tyler Polumbus at RT

[Red_One43]

Grant Paulsen‏@granthpaulsen

Kory Lichtensteiger was asked for his level of confidence that he'll play this Sunday in New Orleans: "100 percent," he said.

[The Hogster]

Lichtensteiger may be 100 percent sure he'll play. But, I'm not 100 percent sure he'll be effective.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/03/lichtensteiger-100-percent-sure-hell-be-ready-to-face-saints/

[Red_One43]

^I hope the play is to get Hurt in there to spell him from time to time.

This sounds promising:

Lichtensteiger said he initially considered the possibility of playing through the injury this season, but was told by doctors he would be unlikely to make it through the entire season without having arthroscopic surgery.

If he could play part of the season without the surgery and think that he would be effective, then with the surgery, he should be fine (fingers crossed).

[The Hogster]

I'm leary about Kory based on his comments about pain. He said it feels "OK" which in the macho world of football means, my knee is "HURTING" but I can deal with it.

Hopefully he can play at a high level through pain, rather than just play through pain.

Lichtensteiger said:

“It felt great at the beginning of camp, the first two days,” Lichtensteiger said. “It feels okay now. It feels like I can play on it. I feel like I’m going to play at the same level as I would have played before, and that’s all you can really ask for. Two knee surgeries in a year, it’s not going to feel great. But it feels as good as it can.”

[1niksder]

i'm hearing the Rat Birds just cut Bryant McKinnie because of his $3M+ base salary

Who cuts their starting right tackle less than a week before the season opener

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm leary about Kory based on his comments about pain. He said it feels "OK" which in the macho world of football means, my knee is "HURTING" but I can deal with it.

Hopefully he can play at a high level through pain, rather than just play through pain.

Lichtensteiger said:

“It felt great at the beginning of camp, the first two days,” Lichtensteiger said. “It feels okay now. It feels like I can play on it. I feel like I’m going to play at the same level as I would have played before, and that’s all you can really ask for. Two knee surgeries in a year, it’s not going to feel great. But it feels as good as it can.”

Good point. Other teams are probably going to target him and find out.

[UK Skins Fan]

i'm hearing the Rat Birds just cut Bryant McKinnie because of his $3M+ base salary

Who cuts their starting right tackle less than a week before the season opener

Well, not the Redskins - we haven't got a starting right tackle!

Has anybody started the "McKinnie - let's sign him up" thread yet?

[oneman56]

i'm hearing the Rat Birds just cut Bryant McKinnie because of his $3M+ base salary

Who cuts their starting right tackle less than a week before the season opener

I thought he was their LT and Oher had been moved to RT. Either way, that's a surprising cut this late.

[The Hogster]

He's 6'8 360lbs, 32 years old, and good.

We prefer Short, light, young, bad linemen.

Seriously though, he would be a Right Tackle here and would be lining up next to Chris Chester, a former Raven. Our O Line coach, coached the Ravens as well.

I doubt we pull the trigger though.

[riggofan]

Yeah just read that about McKinnie too. Might be worth a look, but these issues with his conditioning don't sound good.

Did anybody else read this Tandler blog over the weekend? Might make you feel a little better about the o-line, lots of truth here:

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... emic-.html

Redskins aren’t the only team with O-line issues

In today’s Sunday Blitz on the National Football Post, Dan Pompei discusses the state of offensive line play in the today’s NFL.

As I went through my tour of training camps, it struck me how one theme was constant wherever I went: offensive line play is a concern. Every team had some sort of issue up front on offense. I don’t believe there is a coaching staff in the league that is completely comfortable with its offensive line.

There is no question line play has deteriorated in recent years. Neither individual linemen nor offensive line units are what they used to be.

Pompei quotes Mike Shanahan one position that has been a sore spot for the Redskins for a number of years.

“Everybody says we don’t have a good right tackle,” said Shanahan. “I say show me who does?”

One interesting reason for offensive line issues cited in the article is the lack of continuity. Only two NFL teams are expected to start the same five players in the same five offensive line positions this year as they did last year.

Other factors cited were the use of the spread offense by so many college programs, leading to linemen coming into the league who have never had to hold a block for more than a second or two, and the shortened offseason program, which leads to poor technique.

[KazooSkinsFan]

He's 6'8 360lbs, 32 years old, and good.

We prefer Short, light, young, bad linemen.

Seriously though, he would be a Right Tackle here and would be lining up next to Chris Chester, a former Raven. Our O Line coach, coached the Ravens as well.

I doubt we pull the trigger though.

That's a good point, it could help sway him to play the right side

[The Hogster]

McKinnie agreed to restructured deal to stay with Ravens.

Nothing to see here folks.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

No way our oline is worse then the pukes.... NO WAY.

Oh and Eli is doin well vs their shiny new corners... Same crappy safeties! Lmao glad they passed on Baron!

[riggofan]

No way our oline is worse then the pukes.... NO WAY.

Oh and Eli is doin well vs their shiny new corners... Same crappy safeties! Lmao glad they passed on Baron!

True man. Their o-line is a mess.

[1niksder]

Shanny says J Brown should be back after the by week

[Countertrey]

Shanny says J Brown should be back after the by week

That's interesting, and all.... but has he been "back" since he joined the team? I get that we don't have anything else, but I'm not hopeful that he will ever contribute anything close to his good years in the Crescent City...

[1niksder]

Shanny says J Brown should be back after the by week

That's interesting, and all.... but has he been "back" since he joined the team? I get that we don't have anything else, but I'm not hopeful that he will ever contribute anything close to his good years in the Crescent City...

I hear what you're saying, I felt the same way and went as far as saying although I still think it was a good trade (value wise), it's starting to look like the trade it was tied to

But then I look at all the time Kory Lichtensteiger missed, with pro bowl back ground, no real reason to hold on to him whatsoever yet they saw something and held on to him (at a cost) for as long as they've held on to Brown.

It's true Brown hasn't been back since his injuries but when he did play it was with Kory on the other side and the only issue was RG. There was much talk about O-line problems. KOey is back and I have heard no complaints.

So I can only hope that the team's thought process couldn't have missed twice in a 30 day period when draft picks were involved.

With the draft picks pretty much linking the two trades it's almost like Shanny has to make Brown work out... Hope I'm wrong on that and he really sees something