The NFLPA conducted a conference call Wednesday afternoon to address questions regarding the collusion case that was filed earlier in the day against the NFL. The 45-minute discussion focused at times on the language of a “Stipulation of Dismissal” submitted by the lawyers for the NFL and NFLPA upon conclusion of the Reggie White litigation in August 2011.
The stipulation plainly states that the parties agreed to a dismissal of all claims, “known and unknown, whether pending or not,” including but not limited to “asserted collusion with respect to the 2010 League Year.” NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler, who at one pointed admitted that the stipulation if effective would be fatal to the new collusion claim, contends that the stipulation was superseded by a subsequent order entered by Judge David Doty.
Predictably, the NFL disagrees. “A stipulation of dismissal on behalf of the union and the White class was signed by Kessler and filed in the Court,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told PFT via email. “The union is bound by that document.”
We’re now trying to get our hands (or at least our eyes) on the Doty order to which Kessler referred. Though the language of the order signed by Judge Doty won’t win the new collusion case, it could quickly kill it.
g'day - is there any substance to reports that the NFLPA might have agreed to support the NFL with regards the salary cap punishment orchestrated by Godahell & Mara in order for the NFLPA to then be able to bring this suit because of the admittance by the NFL that the owners had an agreement together?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
“There was no collusion,” Greg Aiello, the NFL’s senior vice president of communications, said in a written statement. “There was no agreement. These claims are totally unfounded.”
So, Mr Aiello, that presumably means that ALL teams were free to spend whatever they wanted to during the 2010 season? Or did every single team (except the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints and Raiders) spontaneously and independently decide that they would spend their money as if there WERE a salary cap in place? That's remarkable.
So, there was NO collusion. Therefore, no agreement to artificially restrict spending on salaries in 2010? Excellent. So we just need our $36m back please, and we can forget the whole thing. And you might want to consider giving the NFLPA a billion or two as well. Then they might be able to afford some decent legal brains of their own to prevent signing up to this sort of stupidity in the future.
“There was no collusion,” Greg Aiello, the NFL’s senior vice president of communications, said in a written statement. “There was no agreement. These claims are totally unfounded.”
So, Mr Aiello, that presumably means that ALL teams were free to spend whatever they wanted to during the 2010 season? Or did every single team (except the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints and Raiders) spontaneously and independently decide that they would spend their money as if there WERE a salary cap in place? That's remarkable.
So, there was NO collusion. Therefore, no agreement to artificially restrict spending on salaries in 2010? Excellent. So we just need our $36m back please, and we can forget the whole thing. And you might want to consider giving the NFLPA a billion or two as well. Then they might be able to afford some decent legal brains of their own to prevent signing up to this sort of stupidity in the future.
NOW THAT is a duplicitous slime playing both sides. That's clearly talking out of both sides of your mouth, having your cake and eating it, too. Its also a bold faced lie, which, you know, is slimey as well.
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rskin72 wrote:So the NFLPA has jumped on the litigation bandwagon. While this may bring to light the collusion ...er.....gentleman's agreement between owners for the 2010 season.....where does it leave the Skins and Boyz concerning this penalty? Our teams stated that they were moving on after the Burbank ruling.....so, if the courts decide that the NFLPA can pursue this case (i.e. that the CBA does not preclude this suit), and the NFLPA wins, does this mean that Snyder and Jones could also revisit their appeal of the salary cap smack-down?
They won't have to revisit. If a court rules in the NFLPA's favor, then the penalties would have to be rescinded as a consequence.
I still don't think is a lock like you're saying. Why does a ruling for collusion mean the penalties would HAVE to be rescinded? The whole penalty thing was completely arbitrary to begin with.
You might need to look into this more. I read multiple articles from reputable sources yesterday basically saying that this case probably won't help the Redskins/Cowboys get the cap space back. The NFLPA is suing for damages, not to get the cap penalty removed.
Q: Will this help the Redskins and Cowboys get their money back?
A: I can't imagine how. The teams agreed to abide by Burbank's ruling Tuesday, and if the union were to succeed here, the players would be awarded damages. It's possible, if it's determined that there was collusion and the Redskins and Cowboys did not engage in it, that those two teams could be exempted somehow from having to pay the damages. But I don't see how they get their cap money back as a result of this.
The suit claims that the collusion cost the players “up to $1 billion, if not substantially more” and is looking for compensatory damages of $3 billion or more. It does not specifically ask for the salary cap dollars to be restored to the Cowboys and Redskins.
Even if the NFLPA is successful - which is a longshot - it seems that the Boys/Skins would still have to file their own lawsuit to address the cap penalty.
IMHO, the best thing about the NFLPA lawsuit is just how STUPID it has shown Goodell and Mara to be here.
The more I hear about this case, the more I think that it will be shot down as the NFLPA agreed not to sue basically for anything past or present when they signed this current CBA. Think the only potential saving grace for them would be that they have a supposedly friendly judge in Doty to hear this.
Of course, I thought that we had a pretty strong case and would be upheld.
Wonder what would have happened if.....instead of "dumping" salaries as us and the boyz did, creating this vastlyunfair competitive advantage....we would have just gone out and signed several FA's to $$$ contracts in 2010. Would there have been a difference?
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I'm not sure that we're going to get anything from all this
The Redskins and Cowboys are a part of the NFL and as such will be liable if this goes any further
I doubt that much comes of this but then again I thought we had a good chance in arbitration too
the one thing for sure is that the NFL looks really bad because of all this BS
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
rskin72 wrote:The more I hear about this case, the more I think that it will be shot down as the NFLPA agreed not to sue basically for anything past or present when they signed this current CBA. Think the only potential saving grace for them would be that they have a supposedly friendly judge in Doty to hear this.
I think you're right. Sounds like the NFL covered themselves pretty well. Its really just straight up GANGSTER the way they played everybody. If you look at the whole story you can start to see why the Redskins were totally unaware that the penalty was coming until just hours before free agency started. They made De Smith an offer he couldn't refuse, whacked the Skins, whacked the Boys, and buttoned up all the loopholes leading back to them. Its like the last fifteen minutes of The Godfather. Somebody should bring them up on RICO charges!
It depresses me to listen to the average fan on the radio or posting on ESPN or whatever today. I would say most of them don't support the NFLPA's lawsuit and generally think the players are just being greedy. Its a hard topic for people to understand.
rskin72 wrote:The more I hear about this case, the more I think that it will be shot down as the NFLPA agreed not to sue basically for anything past or present when they signed this current CBA. Think the only potential saving grace for them would be that they have a supposedly friendly judge in Doty to hear this.
I think you're right. Sounds like the NFL covered themselves pretty well. Its really just straight up GANGSTER the way they played everybody. If you look at the whole story you can start to see why the Redskins were totally unaware that the penalty was coming until just hours before free agency started. They made De Smith an offer he couldn't refuse, whacked the Skins, whacked the Boys, and buttoned up all the loopholes leading back to them. Its like the last fifteen minutes of The Godfather. Somebody should bring them up on RICO charges!
It depresses me to listen to the average fan on the radio or posting on ESPN or whatever today. I would say most of them don't support the NFLPA's lawsuit and generally think the players are just being greedy. Its a hard topic for people to understand.
I'm beginning to think they structured the language in the CBA exactly the way they did because they knew they were going to do this cap theft, and wanted to insulate themselves from this exact fallout. My question is: what kind of lawyer for the NFLPA allows that language about known and unknown into the contract?
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Deadskins wrote: My question is: what kind of lawyer for the NFLPA allows that language about known and unknown into the contract?
Answer: There are TWO of 'em... apparently one is smarter than the other...
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There was a lawyer from the NFLPA on the Sports Junkies show this morning talking about this case. I gotta say he didn't sound like the sharpest lawyer ever. Its kind of a broad judgement to make based on a radio interview, but he had pretty much no answer for why the lawsuit should be allowed to continue in spite of the "known and unknown" clause.
That's kind of the most important fact of the case right now, isn't it? I'd think they would have some sort of answer for that, especially when speaking to the press.
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riggofan wrote:There was a lawyer from the NFLPA on the Sports Junkies show this morning talking about this case. I gotta say he didn't sound like the sharpest lawyer ever. Its kind of a broad judgement to make based on a radio interview, but he had pretty much no answer for why the lawsuit should be allowed to continue in spite of the "known and unknown" clause.
That's kind of the most important fact of the case right now, isn't it? I'd think they would have some sort of answer for that, especially when speaking to the press.
They are just throwing crap against a wall... seeing what will stick...
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The NFLPA has released a statement announcing that, on Thursday, the players filed a brief in response to the NFL’s effort to defeat the collusion case by focusing not on the merits of the claim but the timeliness of the filing. Put as simply as possible, the NFL contends that the collusion claims were waived; the NFLPA understandably and predictably claims they weren’t.
The collusion claim was sparked by the cap penalties imposed by the NFL on the Redskins and Cowboys for violating the “spirit” of the salary cap in 2010.
“In its filing, the NFLPA informed the Court that in March 2012, once the NFL and Owners believed they were in the clear, they imposed punishments on two teams — the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys — that failed to fully honor the Owners’ illegal conspiracy to collude during the uncapped 2010 season,” the NFLPA says. “Public comments by Owners in March 2012 about those punishments exposed what had been, until then, a carefully concealed agreement to violate the White Stipulation and Settlement Agreement. But now, confronted with a damages claim for their admitted conspiracy, the Owners desperately seek to find some legal argument to shield them from redress for the willful violations of the anti-collusion provisions of the Reggie White antitrust settlement agreement.”
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The NFLPA has released a statement announcing that, on Thursday, the players filed a brief in response to the NFL’s effort to defeat the collusion case by focusing not on the merits of the claim but the timeliness of the filing. Put as simply as possible, the NFL contends that the collusion claims were waived; the NFLPA understandably and predictably claims they weren’t.
The collusion claim was sparked by the cap penalties imposed by the NFL on the Redskins and Cowboys for violating the “spirit” of the salary cap in 2010.
“In its filing, the NFLPA informed the Court that in March 2012, once the NFL and Owners believed they were in the clear, they imposed punishments on two teams — the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys — that failed to fully honor the Owners’ illegal conspiracy to collude during the uncapped 2010 season,” the NFLPA says. “Public comments by Owners in March 2012 about those punishments exposed what had been, until then, a carefully concealed agreement to violate the White Stipulation and Settlement Agreement. But now, confronted with a damages claim for their admitted conspiracy, the Owners desperately seek to find some legal argument to shield them from redress for the willful violations of the anti-collusion provisions of the Reggie White antitrust settlement agreement.”
Yeah, where were you when they were fining us? Suckling at Goodell's teats, is where!
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SOB.. I had a dream I guess where we won got awarded our.money back plus the 1.~ million the other teams got added to their cap...AND a secound round draft.pick next year.
Dangit.
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Thanks 1niksder - doesn't sound like the there's much of a chance of this being a factor at all
when they agreed to the CBA, the players agreed to Godahell being able to do just about anything he wants
I also think, from reading into this that the Redskins and Cowboys cap penalties have ZERO chance of changing
what a mess - I hope the league finds a way to give Mara and his cronies some payback on this as well
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Thanks 1niksder - doesn't sound like the there's much of a chance of this being a factor at all
when they agreed to the CBA, the players agreed to Godahell being able to do just about anything he wants
I also think, from reading into this that the Redskins and Cowboys cap penalties have ZERO chance of changing
what a mess - I hope the league finds a way to give Mara and his cronies some payback on this as well
I'm not a attorney nor do I play one on the internet, but we have some members here that are or do, We'd need their input on this but when I read the NFLPA's argument (their current/new position), and recall why the arbitrator ruled in favor of the league, not only do the two not match up, it appears to open the door for Jerrah and "the Danny" to team up and sue everybody,
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