It's that time... Final 53 Projections 2012

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:37 pm

That Shanahan is not locked in to a 25-25-3 structure means the Redskins could keep 26 on offense to help ease the strain of the injuries at running back and/or on the offensive line. Assuming the “best 53” (as Shanahan likes to say) doesn’t include a ninth offensive lineman, he could keep running back Alfred Morris AND tight ends Chris ey and Logan Paulsen AND a sixth wide receiver.

Of course, if Shanahan keeps 26 offensive players, then he’d keep only 24 on defense. So when analyzing the roster decision-making process, we have to consider the merits of keeping someone like Cooley against, say, safety DeJon Gomes or a linebacker such as Bryan Kehl, who can contribute on special teams.

The flexibility makes speculating about the 53 difficult. There are so many pieces to the puzzle. Overall, though, Shanahan must cut some players who are good enough to play in the league. That’s a sign of improvement.

“The better football team you are, at the end, a lot of times guys will be picked up,” Shanahan said. “If you don’t have guys being picked up, that’s not a good sign. At the end of the day, if you have two, three, four, five guys getting picked up, that means you probably have a lot of depth.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... ns-roster/

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:43 pm

^^^

just gotta love this FO

I'm going to be in DE this weekend .... I hope to see some guys trying to make this roster

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:18 am

According this only Brown is eligible for the Reserve PUP.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:11 pm

I think helu goes to IR if he doesn't heal asap. HT might follow I dunno how much heads are allowed on IR tho, 1niksder?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:21 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think helu goes to IR if he doesn't heal asap. HT might follow I dunno how much heads are allowed on IR tho, 1niksder?

The IR Rule and Redskins Running Backs

Can the Redskins afford to keep all four backs on the roster if two of them aren't going to be healthy to start the season? It's hard to imagine, especially with the crowd they have at positions like wide receiver and tight end, and the injury questions they have on the offensive line. If Hightower and Helu can't show them within the next two weeks that they're at least able to offer something, one of them may end up cut or on IR for the season. Or they may end up keeping both and having to cut someone like tight end Chris ey in a roster crunch.

No limit on IR heads. Think Packers in their Super Bowl Season. They had 16 of them (that year was uncapped). There are salary cap ramifications, I'll defer that part to 1nik.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:25 pm

No way

ey gets cut over one of these injured RBs...

Question is, who to keep?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:26 pm

Redskins 101 53 Man Roster Defense and Specialists

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:49 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:No way ey gets cut over one of these injured RBs...

Question is, who to keep?

That RB situation makes it tougher on that question.

They could play the "54 Trick" (he has played 4 years so he won't have to go through waivers) posted on this thread yesterday and cut Hightower and if he doesn't sign with someone else, sign him back, if Helu hasn't healed. That would give them more time to decide who to cut if they can resign Hightower.

The chances are slim that another team will sign an unhealthy back. Keep in mind nobody made Tim and offer he couldn't refuse during the offseason.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:11 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:No way ey gets cut over one of these injured RBs...

Question is, who to keep?

That RB situation makes it tougher on that question.

They could play the "54 Trick" (he has played 4 years so he won't have to go through waivers) posted on this thread yesterday and cut Hightower and if he doesn't sign with someone else, sign him back, if Helu hasn't healed. That would give them more time to decide who to cut if they can resign Hightower.

The chances are slim that another team will sign an unhealthy back. Keep in mind nobody made Tim and offer he couldn't refuse during the offseason.

IR them. Now they can come back from IR later in the season. After week 8, I think.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:42 pm

The Hogster wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:1nik, Hogster, why is Gomes on your 53? He is appearing on everybody's 53 including mine, but I only put him on because he looked promising last year. I am finding it hard to keep him on my list as I prepare to redo it. It seems to me that every time, I look up, Gomes is missing tackles or hurt on the ground. I have never seen him make a hard tackle. I recognize that my perception might be wrong here. Thoughts? Anybody else, please feel free to weigh in.

Mainly I think he makes it by default. The guys behind him are just not very good. Jordan Bernstine doesn't look like he's ready to play in the NFL. I expect Reed Doughty to see plenty of time on Special Teams and in the secondary. I think he showed some promise last year. He came in lighter this season. And, with the injury to Merriweather & Jackson still getting up to speed, it will be hard to go without 5 Safeties.

Red One - Who are you considering replacing him with?

I have Williams, Merriweather, Jackson and Gomes on my 53. I am going to replace him with Doughty and put Bernstine on the practice squad. Doughty is "old reliable." I like Bernstine better than Gomes because he can hit. I don't see that with Gomes. To me, the updside of Bernestine is much better than what Gomes has to offer. I agree Bernstine is not ready yet. I see him hit, but his coverage looks suspect.

I try to do my 53 based on what I think Shanny will do, but I have read very little about Gomes, so I will have to trust my eyes on him.

Thanks for the imput, by you saying mainly he makes it by default comfirms what I think that he is just OK.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:43 pm

Tarik El-Bashir‏@TarikElBashir

#Redskins RB Tim Hightower will play Saturday, Shanahan said. Hightower said it will be like a reg. season game for him.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:45 pm

Deadskins wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:No way ey gets cut over one of these injured RBs...

Question is, who to keep?

That RB situation makes it tougher on that question.

They could play the "54 Trick" (he has played 4 years so he won't have to go through waivers) posted on this thread yesterday and cut Hightower and if he doesn't sign with someone else, sign him back, if Helu hasn't healed. That would give them more time to decide who to cut if they can resign Hightower.

The chances are slim that another team will sign an unhealthy back. Keep in mind nobody made Tim and offer he couldn't refuse during the offseason.

IR them. Now they can come back from IR later in the season. After week 8, I think.

The NFLPA rejected the new rule.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/82945 ... e-deadline

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:47 pm

Rick Snider‏@Snide_Remarks

#Redskins top 3 RBs are all dinged, but Hightower returns for preseason debut vs. Colts. Helu, Royster out. Royster has sore knee

Royster is out for Saturday.

Morris is on this roster. These guys can't stay healthy.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:33 pm

John Keim's latest 53

He has Cool

ey making the team now by keeping 4 TEs.

Keim's case for Shanny keeping 8 OL on the 53. This means that Hurt would have to play RT and Polumbus switch to LT if Trent goes down.
Trent better stay healthy to prevent this scenario.

There's a good chance the Redskins would only keep eight linemen, with Compton and Smith on the practice squad as backups (they wouldn't keep nine OL active in games anyway).

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:01 pm

My lastest 53
OFFENSE

Quarterbacks (2) Last yr - 2
Griffin, Cousins

I am going to go radical and go two here. Cousins will beat Rex out in the 4th preseason game. If Shanny can have an emergency QB plan last year, then he will have one this year.

Running backs (5) Last year - 4
Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Helu, Alfred Morris and Darrel Young (FB)

I am not keeping Morris just because he won't making to the PS. I expect him to give us an opportunity to win with his bull style of running.

Tight ends (4) Last yr- 4
Davis, Cool

ey, Paul, Paulsen

Receivers (7) Last year- 8
Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson, Banks

If Robinson turns out to be an explosive returner then Banks is expendable opening up another slot.

Offensive line 8 Last yr - 8
Williams, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Chester, Polumbus, LeRibeus, Gettis, Black

LeRibeus and Gettis are guard back ups and LeRibeus is the primary C back up. LeRibeus will prove to be a better back up G than Hurt by Day 1.
Hurt is not reliable enough to be the back up tackle. Black has got to be better than Locklear formlast year. I dropped Compton - goes to PS. Hurt - Adios.

DEFENSE
Defensive line (6) last yr- 6
Cofield, Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Golston, Baker

Nothing needs to be said with this group

Linebackers (9) Last yr- 9
Fletcher, Riley, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Alexander, K. Robinson, Jackson, C. Wilson, Kehl

Dropped White. I feel that if he was secure, he would be playing tomorrow with injured ribs. I added Kehl because of his special teams play.

Cornerbacks (5) Last yr- 5
Hall, Wilson, Griffin, Barnes, Crawford,

Not set on Griffin yet - Not ready to give up on Griffin yet either.
Still looking at Thompson - very disappointing effort on that KOR TD. Gotta be better on ST.

Safeties (4) Last year- 4
Merriweather, Williams, Jackson, Doughty

I was under the impression that Gomes was an up and coming safety. I haven't seen that. I removed him for the reliable veteran.

SPECIAL TEAMS
Punter (1)
Sav Rocca.

Kicker (1)
Gano I switch back to Gano. He is better on his kick off coverage (not afraid to stick somebody). Rackers didn't even try to stop get in the way of the returner on the Bears KO TD. Gano's KOs are deeper into the endzone. Rackers missing that 54 yarder was so Gano like that if we are going to miss those, I rather have the real Gano so we can still vent about why we kept him.

Long snapper (1)
Nick Sundberg.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:21 pm

Shanahan has a reputation for finding running backs but let's look deeper into that. That reputation is based mainly on 2 things. First, the zone blocking system as the Broncos ran it with Alex Gibbs was in the Top 3 in terms of rushing for something like 8 out of 12 years. The system turned some fairly unknown running backs into 1000 yard rushers.

Second, Shanahan found Terrell Davis in the 6th round. A converted Fullback who turned into an All Pro running back. He also got 1500+ yards from 2nd rounder Clinton Portis for two years.

But, it has become clear that Shanahan needs to have that 1 lead back if we are going to really succeed. We can't have this injury carosel and get by. Shanahan needs to find his Terrell Davis/Portis because right now, we've gone from Hightower, to Ryan Torain, to Roy Helu, to Evan Royster, to Alfred Morris. And, none of those guys is really tearing it up.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:13 pm

1niksder wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:1niksder u got 10 dbs w 2 of them being Barnes...

Should have Jackson on that list,

My first list had Barnes and Griffin on it the second had Griffin and Jackson... It should read

Defensive Backs (10) Josh Wilson, DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Madieu Williams, Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes, Brandyn Thompson, and Richard Crawford

And Griffin may never be mentioned again, we won't even mention the $2.5M in cap space :wink:

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:59 pm

The Hogster wrote:Shanahan has a reputation for finding running backs but let's look deeper into that. That reputation is based mainly on 2 things. First, the zone blocking system as the Broncos ran it with Alex Gibbs was in the Top 3 in terms of rushing for something like 8 out of 12 years. The system turned some fairly unknown running backs into 1000 yard rushers.

Second, Shanahan found Terrell Davis in the 6th round. A converted Fullback who turned into an All Pro running back. He also got 1500+ yards from 2nd rounder Clinton Portis for two years.

But, it has become clear that Shanahan needs to have that 1 lead back if we are going to really succeed. We can't have this injury carosel and get by. Shanahan needs to find his Terrell Davis/Portis because right now, we've gone from Hightower, to Ryan Torain, to Roy Helu, to Evan Royster, to Alfred Morris. And, none of those guys is really tearing it up.

... until today. But yes. Agreed.

DarthMonk

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:09 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:No way ey gets cut over one of these injured RBs...

Question is, who to keep?

+1

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:32 pm

My 53 after the Colt Game

OFFENSE

Quarterbacks (3) Last yr - 2
Griffin, Grossman, Cousins

So much for going radical, back to reality. Two reasons Grossman is the back up. 1. Like Last year, when Shanny chose to go short term and go with Grossman starting the season and was confirmed with Grosmnan's outstanding 110 passer rating, he will go with the guy he expects to give the the best chance to win. Reason 2. He has to protect his investment on Cousins. He cannot have Cousins got out there and falter early in the season. Trade value would slip and would be hard to make up later. Cousins has not been tested by a strong D. Most likely, barring any injury to RGIII, Cousins remains #3 all year.

Running backs (5) Last year - 4
Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Helu, Alfred Morris and Darrel Young (FB)

Morris is looking like an opening day starter.

Tight ends (3) Last yr- 4
Davis, Cool

ey, Paul

If I am going to keep 3 quarterback, a TE has to go. Going back to what I said on my first 53 post, Paulsen is a good TE with no YAC. There are plenty of Paulsens out there. Love to keep him for his work ethic,

Receivers (7) Last year- 8
Garcon, Hankerson, Moss, Morgan, Briscoe, Robinson, Banks

Moss raised my eyebrows, by returning punts.

O line - 8 Last year - 8

Williams, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Chester, Polumbus, LeRibeus, Gettis, Black

Having trouble picking this group. If I keep both Gettis and LeRibeus on the 53, I need a bonfide tackle. Black? I think we need to hit the waiver wire. Another major question fo me is Hurt. He continues to be the back up for Kory instead of LeRibeus. I am going to make my changes after the Bucs game based on how much time, LeRibeus splits between center and guard. If Hurt plays guard in that game and looks good, then I will have to put him on my 53. That will probably be the end for Banks on my 53 because of the lack of slots.

DEFENSE

Defensive line (6) last yr- 6
Cofield, Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, Golston, Baker

Nothing needs to be said with this group

Linebackers (9) Last yr- 9
Fletcher, Riley, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Alexander, K. Robinson, Jackson, C. Wilson, Kehl

Kehl got to play OLB against the Colts. Shanny loves versatility.

Cornerbacks (5) Last yr- 5
Hall, Wilson, Thompson, Griffin, Crawford,

Dropping Barnes and looking for someone to replace Griffin.

Jones of Bellamy? Wait until after TB game.

Safeties (4) Last year- 4
Merriweather, Williams, Jackson, Gomes

OK, I am going to admit being wrong about Gomes. Watched almost every play that he was in the Colt game. Looked solid. I shouldn't expect him to hit like Landry and Bernstine (did y'a ll see his hit over the middle - that's Boomstine!)

Dropping Doughty

SPECIAL TEAMS

Punter (1)
Sav Rocca.

Kicker (1)

Gano

Long snapper (1)

Nick Sundberg.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:32 pm

Am I the only one that has noticed Brandyn Thompson hasn't allowed one catch since he's been a Redskin?

I never hear anyone talk about him but he's a lock in my book of making the team, beating out Kevin Barnes and Griffin if I have to.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:47 pm

OFFENSE (26)

QB’s (3) – Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
RB’s (4) – Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Alfred Morris, Tim Hightower
FB’s (1) – Darrel Young
WR’s (7) – Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Aldrick Robinson, Brandon Banks
TE’s (4) – Fred Davis, Chris Cool

ey, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen
OL (7) – Chris Chester, Will Montgomery, Trent Williams, Maurice Hurt, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeous, Adam Gettis

DEFENSE (24)

DL (6) – Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedrick Golston
LB (9) – Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley, Bryan Kehl, Rob Jackson, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson
CB’s (5) – DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Josh Wilson, Richard Crawford, Brandon Thompson
S’s (4) – Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madeiu Williams, DeJon Gomes

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

LS Nick Sundberg
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca

IR/PUP LIST

Jamaal Brown OT
Chase Minnifield CB
Chris Nield NT
Kory Lichensteiger OG - if he is healthy and not on the PUP list than Gettis would land on the PS

Practice Squad Prediction

Tom Compton OT
Tristan Davis RB
Devlin Johnson NT
Jordan Bernstine S

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:13 pm

Helped and Hobbled Causes: Colts

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:21 pm

1niksder wrote:OFFENSE (26)

QB’s (3) – Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
RB’s (4) – Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Alfred Morris, Tim Hightower
FB’s (1) – Darrel Young
WR’s (7) – Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Aldrick Robinson, Brandon Banks
TE’s (4) – Fred Davis, Chris ey, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen
OL (7) – Chris Chester, Will Montgomery, Trent Williams, Maurice Hurt, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeous, Adam Gettis

DEFENSE (24)

DL (6) – Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedrick Golston
LB (9) – Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley, Bryan Kehl, Rob Jackson, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson
CB’s (5) – DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Josh Wilson, Richard Crawford, Brandon Thompson
S’s (4) – Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madeiu Williams, DeJon Gomes

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

LS Nick Sundberg
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca

I think you'll see one less WR and an extra lineman, but either way I look at that team and think we're about to win some games this season.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:25 pm

Smithian wrote:
1niksder wrote:OFFENSE (26)

QB’s (3) – Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
RB’s (4) – Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Alfred Morris, Tim Hightower
FB’s (1) – Darrel Young
WR’s (7) – Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Aldrick Robinson, Brandon Banks
TE’s (4) – Fred Davis, Chris ey, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen
OL (7) – Chris Chester, Will Montgomery, Trent Williams, Maurice Hurt, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeous, Adam Gettis

DEFENSE (24)

DL (6) – Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedrick Golston
LB (9) – Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley, Bryan Kehl, Rob Jackson, Keenan Robinson, Chris Wilson
CB’s (5) – DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Josh Wilson, Richard Crawford, Brandon Thompson
S’s (4) – Tenard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madeiu Williams, DeJon Gomes

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

LS Nick Sundberg
K Graham Gano
P Sav Rocca
I think you'll see one less WR and an extra lineman, but either way I look at that team and think we're about to win some games this season.

Black has a good chance to make the roster, but that final number really dependson the health of Kory L.