Post Game Thread Redskins vs Bears

[Red_One43]

My only real concern with this team is the secondary. I actually think Brandon Thompson should make this roster as he shows that he can be an very good cover corner. Tanard Jackson looks to be working off some rust.

Tyler Polumbus played well. And Leribus looks very capable at G as well. Gettis is coming along too, but from my vantage point he's got to play a little lower. If he's a hard worker, he'll be a steal one day who could eventually start.

Briscoe is better than I even thought, but not playing ST might hurt him. For the first time in years, this team will have to cut a WR that can actually make another team.

Alfred Morris probably goes to the practice squad, but he trucked Lance Briggs which was impressive.

Thoughts on Griffin?

He looked pretty good to me. Stands in the pocket. Moves around in the pocket. He felt the pressure today though. But overall, he looked good. He also was not playing with the starting line intact or with the starting receivers for a good part of the game.

London Flethcher makes this defense work. The difference between him and the other inside backers is off the charts. Not only does he play his spot well, he gets others lined up and it showed in his absence.

My bad, I meant Cedric Griffin. I went back and edited hoping to catch you before you saw it. I agree with you on your analysis of RGIII and Fletch.

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[The Hogster]

My only real concern with this team is the secondary. I actually think Brandon Thompson should make this roster as he shows that he can be an very good cover corner. Tanard Jackson looks to be working off some rust.

Tyler Polumbus played well. And Leribus looks very capable at G as well. Gettis is coming along too, but from my vantage point he's got to play a little lower. If he's a hard worker, he'll be a steal one day who could eventually start.

Briscoe is better than I even thought, but not playing ST might hurt him. For the first time in years, this team will have to cut a WR that can actually make another team.

Alfred Morris probably goes to the practice squad, but he trucked Lance Briggs which was impressive.

Thoughts on Griffin?

He looked pretty good to me. Stands in the pocket. Moves around in the pocket. He felt the pressure today though. But overall, he looked good. He also was not playing with the starting line intact or with the starting receivers for a good part of the game.

London Flethcher makes this defense work. The difference between him and the other inside backers is off the charts. Not only does he play his spot well, he gets others lined up and it showed in his absence.

My bad, I meant Cedric Griffin. I went back and edited hoping to catch you before you saw it. I agree with you on your analysis of RGIII and Fletch.

Cedric Griffin had a bad game. I actually prefer Brandyn Thompson to him. He is a bigger corner, but he got worked by bigger receivers in the first half. Alshon Jeffery ate his lunch.

[frankcal20]

Nevermind...too little of sleep.

[Red_One43]

My only real concern with this team is the secondary. I actually think Brandon Thompson should make this roster as he shows that he can be an very good cover corner. Tanard Jackson looks to be working off some rust.

Tyler Polumbus played well. And Leribus looks very capable at G as well. Gettis is coming along too, but from my vantage point he's got to play a little lower. If he's a hard worker, he'll be a steal one day who could eventually start.

Briscoe is better than I even thought, but not playing ST might hurt him. For the first time in years, this team will have to cut a WR that can actually make another team.

Alfred Morris probably goes to the practice squad, but he trucked Lance Briggs which was impressive.

Thoughts on Griffin?

He looked pretty good to me. Stands in the pocket. Moves around in the pocket. He felt the pressure today though. But overall, he looked good. He also was not playing with the starting line intact or with the starting receivers for a good part of the game.

London Flethcher makes this defense work. The difference between him and the other inside backers is off the charts. Not only does he play his spot well, he gets others lined up and it showed in his absence.

My bad, I meant Cedric Griffin. I went back and edited hoping to catch you before you saw it. I agree with you on your analysis of RGIII and Fletch.

Cedric Griffin had a bad game. I actually prefer Brandyn Thompson to him. He is a bigger corner, but he got worked by bigger receivers in the first half. Alshon Jeffery ate his lunch.

Agreed. I have Cedric on my 53 and after the 2 bad preseason games, I am dropping him.

[Red_One43]

Did he play? I don't recall seeing him out there.

Cutler and the Bears' receivers said the same thing.

[frankcal20]

Richard Crawford (CB) had a good game. Wouldn't mind seeing him play vs the 1st this week.

DJ Gomes also got hurt and his ankle was in a boot after the game.

[the poster]

the redskins were outclassed in every facet of the game; which is a clear sign of things to come. they were blown out during the starters portion of the game.

their offensive line is AWFUL, incapable of sustained pass protection and as i said earlier this offseason, probably the worst running team on first down in the league. they were pathetic for the majority of this game, constantly getting 0 yards, -2 yards , etc on first down.

they dont know who their rb is going to be, the qb has no feel for the TE yet, and their line SUX. they will struggle.

defensively, is the bigger problem. because too many overrate their defense. it is indeed one of the most overrated defenses in the sport and it was on display tonight. right from the beginning, first bears offensive play, cutler when right after them with ease. no pass rush and they have a major problem in their secondary.

its likely going to be a real long year for them, but i knew that all along. they are trying to cover their offensive woes with a rookie qb and that wont work. their o-line is atrocious. simply garbage. they have trent williams and NOTHING else.

its another losing season coming up. but then again, thats all they ever do is have losing , last place seasons, so im sure youre ready for it.

[Red_One43]

Dropped interceptions - what is going on?

It's preseason, but this was going on last season as well.

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#Redskins dropped three interceptions tonight (Kehl, Crawford, Wilson) plus 2 last week. This will be the difference in at least 1 gm in '12

[Red_One43]

John Keim's RGIII Report - Bears Game

One of my favorite throws was the 16-yarder to Santana Moss on a third and three in the first quarter. Adam Gettis was beaten on the play so Griffin was under some duress. But he threw from an excellent base and threw over the top of the rush as a defender was about to hit him. Never flinched.

[Red_One43]

Dan Graziano - Observation deck: Redskins-Bears

As much as everybody tries to read meaning into the on-field results of preseason games, the only thing that truly matters to the teams is getting through them healthy.

Remember, we absolutely cannot make long-term predictions based on these games. We don't know what we're watching. Some teams game-plan for opponents in preseason, other teams don't. Much of the decisive action comes against third-teamers that won't see the field all year. All we can do is evaluate one night's performance for what it is, and to that end ...

[1niksder]

If you need a bright spot....

Marshall and Cutler are Shanahan guys

[The Hogster]

If you need a bright spot....

Marshall and Cutler are Shanahan guys

I thought Polumbus, Adam Gettis & Josh Leribus played well. This line has some young depth. Gettis & Leribus look capable of starting.

Your favorite WR Banks played well too. For the first time in many years, it looks like the Redskins will have to cut a WR that can make another team's roster.

Call me crazy, but I also think Richard Crawford & Brandyn Thompson deserve to make the 53. Cedric Griffin probably makes it due to experience, but they are both outplaying him so far.


One thing that is concerning is the safety position. They threw D Hall back there. There doesn't seem to be any chemistry in the middle of the field.

[1niksder]

If you need a bright spot....

Marshall and Cutler are Shanahan guys

I thought Polumbus, Adam Gettis & Josh Leribus played well. This line has some young depth. Gettis & Leribus look capable of starting.

Polumbus got away with a massive hold on one play only to repeat it on the next play and get caught, Gettis got blew up on RGIII's 14 yard run. Other than those three plays I agree considering they were playing against seasoned starters

Your favorite WR Banks played well too. For the first time in many years, it looks like the Redskins will have to cut a WR that can make another team's roster.

Banks isn't my favorite although I like him more this year than I did last year, and more this week than last I could see them going with seven this year. But that makes AAA the odd man out.

Call me crazy, but I also think Richard Crawford & Brandyn Thompson deserve to make the 53. Cedric Griffin probably makes it due to experience, but they are both outplaying him so far.

They brought Griffin in to play the nickle but Crawford played there for the first time (ever) tonight and looked damned good

One thing that is concerning is the safety position. They threw D Hall back there. There doesn't seem to be any chemistry in the middle of the field.

I've been saying for a year and a half he should be playing safety for the Skins or corner somewhere else, Hall is a liabilty at CB but has the ability to be a playmaker as a "centerfielder", the injury to Meriweather might be a issue.

[The Hogster]

If you need a bright spot....

Marshall and Cutler are Shanahan guys

I thought Polumbus, Adam Gettis & Josh Leribus played well. This line has some young depth. Gettis & Leribus look capable of starting.

Polumbus got away with a massive hold on one play only to repeat it on the next play and get caught, Gettis got blew up on RGIII's 14 yard run. Other than those three plays I agree considering they were playing against seasoned starters

Your favorite WR Banks played well too. For the first time in many years, it looks like the Redskins will have to cut a WR that can make another team's roster.

Banks isn't my favorite although I like him more this year than I did last year, and more this week than last I could see them going with seven this year. But that makes AAA the odd man out.

Call me crazy, but I also think Richard Crawford & Brandyn Thompson deserve to make the 53. Cedric Griffin probably makes it due to experience, but they are both outplaying him so far.

They brought Griffin in to play the nickle but Crawford played there for the first time (ever) tonight and looked damned good

One thing that is concerning is the safety position. They threw D Hall back there. There doesn't seem to be any chemistry in the middle of the field.

I've been saying for a year and a half he should be playing safety for the Skins or corner somewhere else, Hall is a liabilty at CB but has the ability to be a playmaker as a "centerfielder", the injury to Meriweather might be a issue.

Trent Williams has looked better especially physically. He can dominate if he stays motivated. I'm also intrigued/encouraged that we haven't seen Fred Davis utilized yet, or seen any zone read, option, or pistol formations. This offense has some interesting wrinkles now.

I agree on Gettis. He plays too high, and needs to hone his skills in pass protection, but I do like how he gets to the second level and moves fast downfield. Leribus is agile and strong too. They are players that I wouldn't feel nervous about playing if we need them. I'm not the biggest Mo Hurt fan right now. He gets pushed to the ground too much. Maybe it's his injury, but Leribeus shows more to me.

[1niksder]

Trent Williams has looked better especially physically. He can dominate if he stays motivated.

I think Trent is still hurt and probably could have used the night off

I'm also intrigued/encouraged that we haven't seen Fred Davis utilized yet, or seen any zone read, option, or pistol formations. This offense has some interesting wrinkles now.

ey said the first team is getting reps at wrinkles that may be additions to the playbook (mostly plays they pulled from Baylor's "non playbook"), he says you have to look at the second team to see what the offense will really look like when the season starts.

I paid a lot attention to what Cousins did when he took over for RGII last night and half his passes in the second quarter went to TEs, and a third of all of his passes went to TEs.

Paul and Paulsen both looked good tonight but I doubt either will come anywhere near matching the YAC that Davis and ey will produce

I agree on Gettis. He plays too high, and needs to hone his skills in pass protection, but I do like how he gets to the second level and moves fast downfield. Leribus is agile and strong too. They are players that I wouldn't feel nervous about playing if we need them. I'm not the biggest Mo Hurt fan right now. He gets pushed to the ground too much. Maybe it's his injury, but Leribeus shows more to me.

You must be mistaken, haven't you heard The Redskins traded away their future to get RGIII and did nothing to address the offensive line

[brad7686]

I don't know what O-line some of you were watching, but they were horrible. I saw Gettis get stood up and ruin multiple run plays, Polumbus made Idonije look like Jason Pierre-Paul. It's gotta improve or it will be a struggle.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

Observations

Last night confirmed that:

1. The Bears are much better than the Bills.

2. The OL is fragile. Williams wasn't 100%, and we're seeing glimpses from Polumbus, Gettis, Hurt but their play isn't consistent enough. I think Kory will return and make a difference but we're looking at youngsters getting experience here so errors will occur and we will be enduring that throughout the season.

3. Briscoe and Robinson look reliable and capable WRs and will make the 53.

4. Banks can still return with the best of them. Will probably make the 53, I suspect Shanny will mix him into the offense for reverses and such like.

5. Niles Paul can indeed catch the ball. Paulsen looks capable also. How many TEs will we roll with...? 3 I guess, so Paulsen to the PS...?

6. Morris is a strong, steady runner. If Hightower or Helu remain unfit he can certainly contribute.

7. Captain Kirk is a far better prospect to back up RGIII than Grossman could ever hope to be. I guess as soon as Shanny feels captain has the offense nailed down Sexy will be #3.

8. Raheem Morris has a lot of work ahead of him. I could elaborate here but I'm going to leave it there and say its a work in progress that is bound to improve.

9. Fletcher makes the D tick, when he's missing we look rudder-less out there.

10. It was only a preseason game, result unimportant but good to see a bit of fight from the backups.

11. Whilst uncomfortable to watch, it is good that RGIII was under pressure and the team stuttered against the Bears. Coaches have plenty to work on now, but better to work on it now then after the Saints game.

12. Finally, children under the age of 3 do not understand that Daddy was up until 4am watching the game and needs sleep and quiet....

[chiefhog44]

Was it as bad on tv as it was in person? Our line was disappointing after a great outing in Buffalo. D Hall is an embarrassment.

[tribeofjudah]

Crawford was quick, decisive.... and looked awesome on those Blitz packages. He was in the QBs face in a hurry.

[the poster]

Consistency & Predictability

Reviewing the performance of the offensive line last night, some good news and some bad news.

The good news:
whether the run or the pass game , it was almost always one person on the line (or TE) that caused the play to fail. Not the whole line.

The bad news:
when you look at preseason games, you dont concern yourself with blown assignments too much. because that's what coaching and practises are for. you concern yourself with watching one on one matchups up front and seeing if people are getting overpowered. because that cant be fixed without better players.

and certain players were getting overpowered a lot.

i watched the first 8 offensive drives.

Notes:
1. For everything good I said about Adam Gettis last week, take it all back this week. He was an absolute train wreck. You'd HAVE to grade him out with an F. Got beat so many times, I have the play numbers here...if you want to re watch the game I can point them out. It's pretty obvious. Consistency for him will be key. Cant be good one week, and lousy the next. He's clearly not ready to start.

2. Polumbus was better this week but you still cant feel comfortable with him.

3. Trent Williams was good, did get beat a time or two but for most part good.

4. the surprising GOOD grade. Maurice Hurt. Decent last week, very solid this week I must say. To me, he's your third guard after the injured starters. If he can play in the regular season like he did last night, that's fine. He did a fine job.

5. Ive said it since spring, the guy who gets too much of a pass on your line is your center. Montgomery. Reviewing his work last night.....TERRIBLE. This guy gets pushed in the backfield TOO MUCH. Check out 2nd play , 2nd drive , 2nd play 4th drive for examples, and a couple times on 5th drive.

Point blank...if you're going to be serious about improving your run game...you HAVE to upgrade at center. It's not a luxary, its not a wish list for you....it HAS to be done. Montgomery is HOLDING YOUR TEAM BACK

I watched a little of Lerebius and Compton when they came in and they struggled. Compton had the biggest whiff of all olineman in the game on one play, Lerebius as I reviewed last week, same goes this week, he's far from ready to play on sundays. FAR.

Fred Davis gave up the sack on the fumble, you cant leave him alone on DE's. ey was ok blocking actually had a nice run block or two.

All in all, while it looks bad, on each failed play it appeared to be one guy getting overpowered or missing his block and during the starters portion that guy was most often Adam Gettis.

Bottom line is you guys need your starting offensive guards back IMMEDIATELY though M. Hurt is looking pretty good.

Your o-line rookie draft picks are VERY, VERY FAR from ready.

by the way, quickly, the running backs looked okay except tristan davis. there are certainy running plays where it was blocked up well and its up to the back to beat the free ILB. and he couldnt. ever. he didnt have the vision to avoid or speed to beat and you might as well cut him now, he cant play.

[RayNAustin]

I don't know what O-line some of you were watching, but they were horrible. I saw Gettis get stood up and ruin multiple run plays, Polumbus made Idonije look like Jason Pierre-Paul. It's gotta improve or it will be a struggle.

That's what I saw too. I saw penetration in the run game, with backs dealing with contact in the backfield, and RG3 getting pressure from the edges and up the middle on pass pro.

By contrast, I saw little pressure from our first team defensive line, and Cutler was throwing from a secure pocket, roasting our secondary the entire time he was in there. , On some rather deeper completions, a Redskin defender wasn't even in the video frame. They were pretty much run over ... and Cedric Griffin is looking like camp fodder. Even Jason Campbell was moving the ball against a zero blitz.

An uninspiring performance would be an understatement.

[everydayAskinsday]

I don't know what O-line some of you were watching, but they were horrible. I saw Gettis get stood up and ruin multiple run plays, Polumbus made Idonije look like Jason Pierre-Paul. It's gotta improve or it will be a struggle.

That's what I saw too. I saw penetration in the run game, with backs dealing with contact in the backfield, and RG3 getting pressure from the edges and up the middle on pass pro.

By contrast, I saw little pressure from our first team defensive line, and Cutler was throwing from a secure pocket, roasting our secondary the entire time he was in there. , On some rather deeper completions, a Redskin defender wasn't even in the video frame. They were pretty much run over ... and Cedric Griffin is looking like camp fodder. Even Jason Campbell was moving the ball against a zero blitz.

An uninspiring performance would be an understatement.

The inability to generate a pass rush without blitzing has been a consistent problem of ours for more than a few years now.. Anytime we do not dial anything up the opposing QB is left with ample time to find his receivers downfield which in turn exposes our secondary and for that matter would expose almost any teams unless they had the likes of a Darrell Revis..

Blitzing however can also cause problems for the secondary because we are leaving them exposed and in man coverage which can be a problem for us because of our lack of overall talent in the secondary.. I feel that this is problem 1B with problem 1A being the offensive line..

[Matugi]

Some of my thoughts:

1. RGIII didn't have a great day, but he was adequate. A lot of the struggles come from restricted play-calling; obviously the coaching staff is limiting what they show by keeping everything basic (no spread concepts, very few pistol formations, a lot of running plays, little play-action, ETC.). The fumble was bad, but it's a learning experience and he'll continue to improve.

2. The offensive line was putrid, but it was also down at least two starters and our best offensive player in Trent Williams was hobbled. It's going to be a problem all season, but this is likely the worst it could possibly look.

3. Kirk Cousins, my man. Doing it against scrubs in the fourth quarter for a most part, but he showed why he was a good investment. Good backups are invaluable and he can likely be flipped for a higher round pick in a few years.

4. It is going to be a compelling battle for the last two receiver spots among Armstrong, Banks, Robinson, and Briscoe. If I had to hedge my bets, the last two will make it and the first two will be playing on other teams this year. A good problem to have.

5. Richard Crawford continues to show off. He's starred through training camp and it's simply continued into the regular season.

6. The secondary, top-down, will be a problem.

7. Alfred Morris showed well with little run blocking.

8. Depth on the front seven is excellent. Solid players all across the board.

9. Please learn to tackle.

[DarthMonk]

What up with RG3....during press con, always picking his eye-boogers and rubbing nose, and touch his locks........ Hey man, you look fine.

Something to keep an eye on.