revisiting the trade with the Rams

[Skeletor]

There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...

[the poster]

There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...

national media began the Andrew luck vs rg3 comparison shortly after the draft. which is fine, that was inevitable.

but by the end of this season and for the next couple of seasons, redskin fans and local media should instead be comparing rg3 vs Ryan tannehill.

they coulda never drafted Andrew luck so he's a moot point.

but.....what would help the redskins win more....

rg3

or

Ryan tannehill + this year high 2nd round pick (perhaps a starting OT or Safety?) + 2013 1st round pick + 2014 1st round pick.

I bet tannehill is starting by the end of this season.

[Red_One43]

It is great that he had great stats for the game, but that is the not the most important thing coming out of that game.

*Quick release - he made our O line look better at pass protection.
*Accuracy throws - all passes were on target.
*One play under duress, he side armed it to Niles Paul, who dropped it or had it knocked out of his hands
*Poise and leadership
*Motivation
*Dedication to team - I cringed when he went after that Bill witht the fumble, but that's football and I am sure his teammates will work harder for him because they saw that.
*Student of the game - has learned the playbook already
*Super personality

We can point out QBs who had good preseasons and been busts in the regular season, but I doubt if any of the QBs, had half the attributes of RGIII. Example: John Beck, after the Ravens preseason game - I was a believer in Beck after that game, but I never saw and read anything about Beck like I am seeing and reading about RGIII.

I have moved from - We had to do it to because of limited options TO No question, it was a well worth it!

[DarthMonk]

I see someone finally got the math straight on the cost of RGIII.

Since I was for this move (after I was against it ) I'll mostly leave this thread to others.

It'll be interesting to see where things stand when Shanny's contract runs out in 3 years.

DarthMonk

[HarleyHog]

I always felt good about Robert Griffin the third. I would've been unhappy with Andrew Luck simply because his brand was tarnished forever in my eyes by the Trollish suck for Luck BS we had to endure last go-round. So far, RGIII seems to be worth every bit of the cost, not only in what he's shown both on and off the field, but also in how his presence galvanizes and energizes the fanbase. It is nice to see the Redskins Nation genuinely excited instead of merely loyally hopeful heading into a new season.

[frankcal20]

It's way to early to determine if the trade was successful or not. If he's a franchise QB, then worth every penny. If he's a mediocre qB, then the trade sucked but it'll take a few years to determine what RG3 will be.

[the poster]

I know it's nice and all to throw 4 simple, uncontested passes...but THIS is how you start your NFL career:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ssessions/

[Bob 0119]

It's way to early to determine if the trade was successful or not. If he's a franchise QB, then worth every penny. If he's a mediocre qB, then the trade sucked but it'll take a few years to determine what RG3 will be.

You beat me to it.

Even if I was against the Rams trade for RG3, it's still WAY too early to call it a good trade based on 6 passes.

if we are 6-2 by mid-season...then maybe

[SkinsJock]

There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...

Time will show that this was a good trade for the Redskins - no doubt at all

hopefully the trade is also very good for the Rams

got to love that the Rams could have made an even better trade (for them, at least) with the Bowns but chose the Redskins

[Skeletor]

you guys missed the point of my question. I wasn't asking whether the trade was worth it. Or to evaluate RG3 at this point. and my question had nothing to do with Luck.

I'm curious whether those who thought we shouldn't trade up for a quarterback at all, still think so...

I remember a long thread debating whether it was worth trading up for a qb or not.

[SkinsJock]

there is no doubt that we had to trade up and the Redskins FO's future here depended on them getting a QB

there is no doubt that they wanted RGIII because he will be a better fit here both this season and in the future

[Deadskins]

I always felt now was the time to pull the trigger. We did what we had to do. Well worth the gamble.

[Countertrey]

My opinion was made public in Sept last year. It has not changed.

[Bob 0119]

My point was that it would seem foolish to think that those who were critical of the trade would be swayed by four passes in a pre-season game.

If they weren't excited before, they won't be now. Give RG3 time to really prove himself in games that matter against real defenses and I think you'll see them come around

[crazyhorse1]

My point was that it would seem foolish to think that those who were critical of the trade would be swayed by four passes in a pre-season game.

If they weren't excited before, they won't be now. Give RG3 time to really prove himself in games that matter against real defenses and I think you'll see them come around

Six passes, not four.

[HEROHAMO]

This was a move the front office had to make regardless of how RG3 performs.

As a team who strives to get better and be the best it can be. You have to do what it takes to get the player or players you need to be successful. Had the trade not gone through? I cannot even fathom the thought any more. We have our guy now and I am happy. There will be bumps in the road but I am sure we are headed to higher heights!

[Chris Luva Luva]

IMHO, it's rare to get some a well-rounded person in the NFL at the QB position. He has the physical tools, the desire and the work ethic. RGIII has the potential to be a great and well-known player.

With that said, what's done is done. There's no use in crying over spilled milk. I think we'd all be more disappointed going into this year with anyone other than RGIII. There would be threads saying how we SHOULD have grabbed RGIII. The problem is, you can't please everyone, so you have to do what's best for you. Flip the bird to the detractors and do what you feel will be best. That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

[SkinsJock]

I'm curious whether those who thought we shouldn't trade up for a quarterback at all, still think so...

I remember a long thread debating whether it was worth trading up for a qb or not.

I was opposed to trading for any players as I felt:

1 - we needed all the picks we could get to help this great FO continue to add to what they'd done

and

2 - as a franchise we had not done well by trading top draft picks

I changed my mind when I realized (because of posters here that I think know a thing or two) the importance of having a future great QB


there is no doubt in my mind that we had to do whatever it took to bring in RGIII
- we could have (and would have) given up more if the Browns hadn't been so stupid

it's way too early to know for sure ....

but

he will be far better than we all think he will

in a word, RGIII's value to this franchise is invaluable

[Chris Luva Luva]

I was opposed to trading for any players as I felt:

1 - we needed all the picks we could get to help this great FO continue to add to what they'd done

A totally sensible way to look at it. I didn't mind much because I realize that a great QB elevates the players around him. It's too early to crown RGIII with that achievment but if we look at the small sample we have...

The local media and fans were crying doom for this 1st preseason game. RGIII was gonna get harassed. But, even with a make-shift line, he was getting the ball out quickly enough that it made the line look good. The good QB's can do that...

[1niksder]

I was opposed to trading for any players as I felt:

1 - we needed all the picks we could get to help this great FO continue to add to what they'd done

A totally sensible way to look at it. I didn't mind much because I realize that a great QB elevates the players around him. It's too early to crown RGIII with that achievment but if we look at the small sample we have...

The local media and fans were crying doom for this 1st preseason game. RGIII was gonna get harassed. But, even with a make-shift line, he was getting the ball out quickly enough that it made the line look good. The good QB's can do that...

Grossman did the same thing.... AND made some of the WRs look pretty good as DBs

[Chris Luva Luva]

I was opposed to trading for any players as I felt:

1 - we needed all the picks we could get to help this great FO continue to add to what they'd done

A totally sensible way to look at it. I didn't mind much because I realize that a great QB elevates the players around him. It's too early to crown RGIII with that achievment but if we look at the small sample we have...

The local media and fans were crying doom for this 1st preseason game. RGIII was gonna get harassed. But, even with a make-shift line, he was getting the ball out quickly enough that it made the line look good. The good QB's can do that...

Grossman did the same thing.... AND made some of the WRs look pretty good as DBs

It's amazing how confidence can be felt by us as fans. You can just feel and sense the confidence and control that RGIII and Kirk have. Rex... He just seems like he's out there hoping. LOL

[the poster]

That's what they did and there isn't a lower risk player we could have grabbed.

the redskins invested more draft pick value into one player than any team has ever done in the history of the NFL. he is under massive pressure to win and win right out of the gate this season. this is one of the highest draft risks ever taken, based on what it took to bring him to d.c.

[1niksder]

I was opposed to trading for any players as I felt:

1 - we needed all the picks we could get to help this great FO continue to add to what they'd done

A totally sensible way to look at it. I didn't mind much because I realize that a great QB elevates the players around him. It's too early to crown RGIII with that achievment but if we look at the small sample we have...

The local media and fans were crying doom for this 1st preseason game. RGIII was gonna get harassed. But, even with a make-shift line, he was getting the ball out quickly enough that it made the line look good. The good QB's can do that...

Grossman did the same thing.... AND made some of the WRs look pretty good as DBs

It's amazing how confidence can be felt by us as fans. You can just feel and sense the confidence and control that RGIII and Kirk have. Rex... He just seems like he's out there hoping. LOL

Looks like a good trade so far, how it will look down the road is yet to be determined. As far as what they gave up and what they missed out on well that's unknown too. The bottom line is they gave swapped first round picks this year (a pick they were going to use anyway) and gave up this year's second (not really a lost here considering last year's 2nd rounder set out last year), they still managed to sign 3 offensive line in this draft. They gave up next year's first which will help offset the $18M cap lost. And a pick that's 3 years away.

Time will tell and untill we get to that time it's all wait and see... and see how many different ways this trade gets spinned

[the poster]

Looks like a good trade so far, how it will look down the road is yet to be determined. As far as what they gave up and what they missed out on well that's unknown too. The bottom line is they gave swapped first round picks this year (a pick they were going to use anyway) and gave up this year's second (not really a lost here considering last year's 2nd rounder set out last year), they still managed to sign 3 offensive line in this draft. They gave up next year's first which will help offset the $18M cap lost. And a pick that's 3 years away.

that's an awful long explanation to say this:
They used 3 first round draft picks and a high second round draft pick to select Robert Griffin. The largest value of draft picks ever used to select one player.

Time will tell and untill we get to that time it's all wait and see... and see how many different ways this trade gets spinned

what happens in Miami over the next couple of years also is a part of that discussion.

[Irn-Bru]

I don't know that I was ever against this trade, but I did experience some sticker shock the day the news broke. Since then I've come to think the price we paid is worth it. Sure, there is still time for things not to work out, but looking at the bet Shanny/Allen made, I like it more each day.