Skins/Bills Post Game Thread.... How'd We Look?

[1niksder]

@granthpaulsen
Trent Williams was limping on his left foot but said that he didn't think the injury was serious. Said it was sore. X-Rays were negative.

[1niksder]

@granthpaulsen
Pierre Garcon on connection w/ RGIII: "We're still working on our getting our timing down..[Tonight] was just great play-calling."

[Red_One43]

Go back and look at why Josh morgan bobbled that ball it was another piss poor throw by Sexy Rexy. The ball was placed behind him and he had to extend to get it ,he was lucky to make that catch. That is why I was smiling so much watching Rg3 hit The WR in stride , it's so nice to have a accurate QB.

You got a point there about the throw, but had that ball been intercepted because of the bobble, the old score rule about what hits your hands should be caught would prevail.

I do give him credit for the concentration.

No big deal we got RG3 now he will put the ball in the proper place.

agreed!

Let's give it some time.....

Check out this stat line:

Curtis Painter 7 of 14 76 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, 106.0 passer rating

Remember him in real games?

I hear ya and throw in McNabb vs the Bills in 2010 preseason. We all know how that one ended.

The difference here is RGIII's work ethic and his leadership. He will have rookie moments, no doubt, but nothing he has shown so far, that says he won't continue to grow. In Practice, Shanny threw everything at him. That will make RGIII ready for any game. He will put the ball on the money.

I am going to go with that until RGIII shows me otherwise, the dude is the real deal.

[frankcal20]

I'm pretty sure Mario Williams always lines up vs the right tackle but could be wrong. He did at NC State.

[skinpride1]

I can't wait for the next game .. Rg3 just has the skill set to back up that work ethic.
I can remember Jason Campbell and saying give him time he will develop ...Year one.....Year Two.....Year Three . Saying..his mechanics will get better,His foot work will get better , his release will get better.

Thats the difference between Rg3 and the Campbell's and the Painter's.

[RayNAustin]

I think what we saw tonight was money.

RG3 - calm, accurate, and did exactly what we wanted to see him do. Had a nice drive, and scored a TD. Perfect start.

Cousins was very impressive too ... had a lot of nice throws ... looked in command of the offense ... seemed comfortable in the 2 minute, and had a few good balls dropped. Although it's too early to say it now, if he keeps playing like that, and improves, I think Rex might be going away ... as Rex was totally unimpressive, and a reminder of why it was so important to get RG3.

Garcon looked good (except for the lazy out-of-bounds catch early), but we still seem to have an issue with hands ... too many drops.

The defense looked good ... with all of the running the Bills QBs did, the secondary must have been putting up some decent coverage, and not allowing a TD is always a good sign. I also noticed more press coverage than I'm used to seeing from the Redskins corners ... and I like it!

Niles Paul ... he's gotta start catching balls, or he needs to catch a cab out of town.

I don't agree with the poor Banks assessment .. he didn't have much of a chance to do anything in the return game ... and on that one deep ball, he had beaten his man badly ... the pass pressure just got to Cousins in time to keep him from stepping into the throw, or that could have been a big Banks TD.

Who is the knuckle-head wearing 55 .... I swear, lining up offsides drives me crazy. It's a dumb mistake. But doing it twice, on consecutive downs is box of rocks stupid, and inexcusable.

Not an overly exciting night, but it was solid in the areas we needed them to be.

[DarthMonk]

I've been a Helu supporter but thought Royster looked good. Things started out rough. He had no room and ran for 1 yard twice. Next drive he went for -3 and then the bad exchange. But then he hit on runs of 3, 12, 5, & 2 setting up the 3rd & 3 WR screen to Garçon for the TD. On that last drive he had some room, picked the holes nicely, and ran hard. For me, stock up on Royster.

I felt like Banks had to be open or he wasn't going to get it. He'll rarely win anything near a jump ball. Stock down as a WR.

Paul seemed like his pads were too big and his hands too hard. Stock down as a TE.


Griffin was very economical in his movements. It even looked like his first incomplete to Garçon was on target. He bootlegged once and had a guy in his face. He suddenly stopped and threw a short dart that was dropped at the line of scrimmage. Rex woulda been sacked or produced a late dangerous heave. Stock up for Griff.

DarthMonk

[frankcal20]

I can't wait for the next game .. Rg3 just has the skill set to back up that work ethic.
I can remember Jason Campbell and saying give him time he will develop ...Year one.....Year Two.....Year Three . Saying..his mechanics will get better,His foot work will get better , his release will get better.

Thats the difference between Rg3 and the Campbell's and the Painter's.

Not going to make excuses but Campbell was in a new offense every year of his entire career. Only once I believe he played in an offense for two years but he got hurt. Happened to him in college as well. Hard to grow in the game/offense when it's changing every year and getting coached by new guys who want it done their way. Was a casualty to an impatient owner/GM.

[1niksder]

I hear ya and throw in McNabb vs the Bills in 2010 preseason. We all know how that one ended.

The difference here is RGIII's work ethic and his leadership. He will have rookie moments, no doubt, but nothing he has shown so far, that says he won't continue to grow. In Practice, Shanny threw everything at him. That will make RGIII ready for any game. He will put the ball on the money.

I am going to go with the until RGIII shows me otherwise, the dude is the real deal.

RGIII did say practice is harded than that game

[rskin72]

For me

Good -

RGIII, in a limited outing, showed poise, quick release, nice throws.

Morris was best rb tonight, looked quick, and tough to tackle

Secondary, overall, did not look as vulnerable as i had expected

Garcon looks like a smart pickup....he was a stud tonight

Kerrigan and orakpo looked very good, and there was a lot of holding going on by buffalo oline

Cousins know the line doesn't show it, but i thought he played well, better than grossman tonight. He actually impressed me, and i saw why shanny wanted to draft him.

Hankerson had a good catch on the sidelines

Bad

Banks - for all the raves i have read about him in tc, expected more. He had both grossman and cousins throwing to him, but just did not make plays. Know some was not his fault, but i thought i would see more.

Royster looked slow to me, no burst. Morris looked better than either helu or royster imho.

Niles paul did not impress me this game....don't know if he made a catch or not, but i recall drops.

[Red_One43]

For me

Good -

RGIII, in a limited outing, showed poise, quick release, nice throws.

Morris was best rb tonight, looked quick, and tough to tackle

Secondary, overall, did not look as vulnerable as i had expected

Garcon looks like a smart pickup....he was a stud tonight

Kerrigan and orakpo looked very good, and there was a lot of holding going on by buffalo oline

Cousins know the line doesn't show it, but i thought he played well, better than grossman tonight. He actually impressed me, and i saw why shanny wanted to draft him.

Hankerson had a good catch on the sidelines

Bad

Banks - for all the raves i have read about him in tc, expected more. He had both grossman and cousins throwing to him, but just did not make plays. Know some was not his fault, but i thought i would see more.

Royster looked slow to me, no burst. Morris looked better than either helu or royster imho.

Niles paul did not impress me this game....don't know if he made a catch or not, but i recall drops.

That is interesting about Paul - I can't remember him making a catch either, but I also remember his drops. I agree with the Morris and Banks assessments. I expected Morris to excel and he did. I expected Banks to play better than he did, but he didn't. I expect him to learn from tonight.
I agree with all your good - I couldn't help but notice the holding by the Bills line.

[skinpride1]

I can't wait for the next game .. Rg3 just has the skill set to back up that work ethic.
I can remember Jason Campbell and saying give him time he will develop ...Year one.....Year Two.....Year Three . Saying..his mechanics will get better,His foot work will get better , his release will get better.

Thats the difference between Rg3 and the Campbell's and the Painter's.

Not going to make excuses but Campbell was in a new offense every year of his entire career. Only once I believe he played in an offense for two years but he got hurt. Happened to him in college as well. Hard to grow in the game/offense when it's changing every year and getting coached by new guys who want it done their way. Was a casualty to an impatient owner/GM.

No .....Campbell's mechanics where flawed from day one . big wind up when throwing, slow release, poor foot work. Yes sucked he had so many offenses thrown at him but it took years of working to help him out with his mechanics. RG3 is the excact opposite.

[crazyhorse1]

RGIII 4 of 6 for 70 yds and a TD. The incompletes were a dropped ball by Paul and a catch out of bounds by Garcon. RGIII on target on every pass.

Agreed. All of his passes were sharp and on the money. Garcon should have stayed in bounds. RGIII put the ball the only place he could have...because Garcon was well covered. RGIII's most impressive play was the dropped pass by Paul. His move and pass were so quick and heads up that I was shocked. The guy is going to be a superstar, probably at once. He showed no sign of being a rookie tonight. If he had played the whole game, even against their first string, he would have put up thirty points or more.

[Deadskins]

Grant Paulsen‏@granthpaulsen

RGIII: "Practice is a lot harder than the games

RGIII after the game.

He clarified that was because in practice, he's going against the same defense all the time, and they know the plays and his style, whereas Buffalo didn't know what to expect.

[skinsfan#33]

There were a lot of drops tonight, but the TE were particularly guilty of the drops. I don't remember Davis or ey getting any passes thrown there way but the rest of the TEs had around 7 catchable balls thrown their way and they dropped everyone of them.

Also, not impressed with Josh Morgan! He almost dropped a catch that was behind him but wasn't a hard catch and should have been snagged clean. He had some actual drops, but the play that irritated me the most was a poorly thrown deep ball by Cousins (i think). He didn't really have a chance to catch the ball because the DB had better position, but Morgan quit on the play and didn't try to prevent the pick. The DB dropped the pick, but JM quitting on the play made me want to barf.

Cousins had a much better night than his stats suggest. He was the victim of at least 6 dropped passes. Our rookie RB looked good.

Our defense was in Beast mode, especially the new #92, Baker will make this team if he has two our three more preseason games like he did last night.

[skinsfan#33]

There were a lot of drops tonight, but the TE were particularly guilty of the drops. I don't remember Davis or ey getting any passes thrown there way but the rest of the TEs had around 7 catchable balls thrown their way and they dropped everyone of them.

Also, not impressed with Josh Morgan! He almost dropped a catch that was behind him but wasn't a hard catch and should have been snagged clean. He had some actual drops, but the play that irritated me the most was a poorly thrown deep ball by Cousins (i think). He didn't really have a chance to catch the ball because the DB had better position, but Morgan quit on the play and didn't try to prevent the pick. The DB dropped the pick, but JM quitting on the play made me want to barf.

Cousins had a much better night than his stats suggest. He was the victim of at least 6 dropped passes. Our rookie RB looked good.

Our defense was in Beast mode, especially the new #92, Baker will make this team if he has two our three more preseason games like he did last night.

[Deadskins]

Garcon looked good last night, but I saw three things which troubled me.

1. Not dragging his foot on the sideline catch in the first series. A veteran should make that play.

2. Going to the ground on the long, third down, "free play," where the Bills jumped offsides. He could have had lots of YAC on that play. Not sure why he went to the ground.

3. Doing the flip going into the endzone on the TD. No reason to risk injury on a stupid celebration in a pre-season game.

Overall though, it looks like Pierre was a great pick-up and is already RGIII's go to receiver.

[SkinsFreak]

Cousins was very impressive too ... had a lot of nice throws ... looked in command of the offense ... seemed comfortable in the 2 minute, and had a few good balls dropped. Although it's too early to say it now, if he keeps playing like that, and improves, I think Rex might be going away ... as Rex was totally unimpressive, and a reminder of why it was so important to get RG3.

I have to say I was really impressed by Cousins' performance last night. He looked like he was in total command of the huddle and in full control at the line of scrimmage. His passes were also pretty impressive. He did have a few passes that were thrown behind the receivers, but I believe that had more to do with timing from not having played with these WR's in live games. I don't think receivers really run as hard as they can at full speed in practices. Now Cousins sees them running full speed in the live game and Cousins was trying to get the timing down leading them with his passes. He missed on a few, but that aspect should improve after a few more live games.

But I agree with you; Rex could be gone sooner than later. If Cousins continues to improve off of last nights performance, then Rex's primary role as a sideline, on-the-field coach will be short lived. For as much criticism Shanahan took from the media for drafting Cousins, that move may eventually prove to be brilliant. If RG3 proves to be the long-term starter, as we all expect, then Cousins will be a solid, if not great, back-up with the potential to garner valuable compensation if the team decides to trade him down the road. Regardless, I really liked what I saw from Kirk last night and I think the coaches, the team and the fanbase has to be encouraged.

Banks - for all the raves i have read about him in tc, expected more. He had both grossman and cousins throwing to him, but just did not make plays. Know some was not his fault, but i thought i would see more.

I remember a few years ago when all the rave coming out of training camp was how good Larry Johnson looked running the ball. LJ was the talk of camp that year. But just as soon as LJ saw live action in actual games, he looked horrible. LJ was largely unproductive in preseason, but made the team anyway. He contributed little in the first two games and was cut.

Banks has been a popular player and well liked by the fans. But for all his success returning kicks, for me, he just doesn't pass the eye-ball test as a receiver. I believe when the coaches sit down and review the game tape from last night, they're not going to be impressed with Banks' performance. I admit I haven't watched Banks in camp, so hopefully his performances in practice will offset his poor showing last night. However, if some of the other candidates, such as Crawford, show some promise returning kicks, Banks may have a hard time making the team. But it's early. With 3 preseason games left to go, hopefully he'll step it up.

I thought Aldrick Robinson had a positive showing last night. Although he was playing late in the game against inferior talent, Robinson made a few nice catches and displayed some of that impressive speed we've heard about. On one play, Robinson made a sweet catch along the sideline; catching the ball with two-hands out in front of him, tip-toeing the sideline for a 1st down. At the end of the game, Robinson put a nice move on the DB and showed his impressive speed getting wide open on a go-route down the seam. The DB was forced to stretch out and grab/interfere with Robinson to prevent a sure touchdown. The interference penalty placed the ball at the spot of the foul and that play effective sealed the game for us, as Cousins stepped up and took a knee on the very next play.

With regard to Niles Paul, he did have a few drops last night. But I believe that had more to do with nerves then anything else. We already know he can catch and run. "Paul completed his Nebraska career finishing one of the most productive careers for a receiver and return specialist in Cornhusker history." Paul is transitioning to a new position. At this point early in his transition, I believe he's just thinking a lot, focusing more on his assignments rather then just playing and catching the ball. Once he learns the position and gets more acclimated with his role as a TE, the light will come on and he'll react more naturally catching passes. I still believe Paul will be effective as a TE and will prove to be a difficult assignment for opposing LB's and DB's trying to cover him.

Even though it was a low scoring game, for starting 2 rookie QB's in this game, I have to say I was rather impressed. The defense played well and I think there are a lot of positives to take away from this game.

[emoses14]

I can't wait for the next game .. Rg3 just has the skill set to back up that work ethic.
I can remember Jason Campbell and saying give him time he will develop ...Year one.....Year Two.....Year Three . Saying..his mechanics will get better,His foot work will get better , his release will get better.

Thats the difference between Rg3 and the Campbell's and the Painter's.

Not going to make excuses but Campbell was in a new offense every year of his entire career. Only once I believe he played in an offense for two years but he got hurt. Happened to him in college as well. Hard to grow in the game/offense when it's changing every year and getting coached by new guys who want it done their way. Was a casualty to an impatient owner/GM.

AGREED, AGREED, AGREED.

But You know you're fighting a losing battle with this board when it comes to Campbell? Generalizing a bit, but essentially this group thinks Campbell always sucked and friggin' Colt Brennan was the better option. Which, of course, is ridiculous.

/threadjack

[DarthMonk]

With regard to Niles Paul, he did have a few drops last night. But I believe that had more to do with nerves then anything else. We already know he can catch and run. "Paul completed his Nebraska career finishing one of the most productive careers for a receiver and return specialist in Cornhusker history." Paul is transitioning to a new position. At this point early in his transition, I believe he's just thinking a lot, focusing more on his assignments rather then just playing and catching the ball. Once he learns the position and gets more acclimated with his role as a TE, the light will come on and he'll react more naturally catching passes. I still believe Paul will be effective as a TE and will prove to be a difficult assignment for opposing LB's and DB's trying to cover him.

+1

I was thinking/hoping the same thing. I want to see the same stuff next week but with fluid catching and running after. He coulda had a few big plays. He was basically always open.

Don't prove me wrong, Niles. My middle name is Paul.

DarthMonk

[PAPDOG67]

Just to clear things up I have read a few different columns that Garcon was clearly in on the sideline catch, but the ref blew the call. Now some other evaluations.

I thought Gettis got to the second level very nicley in the running game. Looked good on a few combo blocks. I know we didn't get too much movement in the running game early, but there were a few plays where royster only had the safety/secondary to beat which is going to set up a lot of big plays in the running game...eventually.

I thought big Trent and Davis both looked in very good shape. This is nice to see considering they are running out of rope to hold on to.

RGIII looked very posied in the pocket which I thought was the best thing about him. A lot of rookies are a little jittery, and if you are you're too worried about the rush, you have no shot as a QB in this league. He throws a nice ball and has a quick release.

Garcon looks like he is poised to take that next step and become a # 1 in this league after playing 2nd fiddle to Wayne for a few seasons. Nice to see we may have a true go to WR for our rookie QB.

The defense looked very solid as a unit. The one guy who stood out tremedously tho was Baker # 92. Looked like a man amongst boys. I don't know where we picked him up from, but he looks like he could become a valuable contributor to this team.

[Deadskins]

My middle name is Paul.

The "P" in JSPB stands for Paul.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

With regard to Niles Paul, he did have a few drops last night. But I believe that had more to do with nerves then anything else. We already know he can catch and run. "Paul completed his Nebraska career finishing one of the most productive careers for a receiver and return specialist in Cornhusker history." Paul is transitioning to a new position. At this point early in his transition, I believe he's just thinking a lot, focusing more on his assignments rather then just playing and catching the ball. Once he learns the position and gets more acclimated with his role as a TE, the light will come on and he'll react more naturally catching passes. I still believe Paul will be effective as a TE and will prove to be a difficult assignment for opposing LB's and DB's trying to cover him.

+1

I was thinking/hoping the same thing. I want to see the same stuff next week but with fluid catching and running after. He coulda had a few big plays. He was basically always open.

Don't prove me wrong, Niles. My middle name is Paul.

DarthMonk

So can't the same case be made for Banks? I mean we are all bias one way or another.. we all can agree most the throws his way were far from perfect... Might the pressure to produce and make the team make a hard catch harder? Like Paul he found ways to get open- slipped once then had pretty much every pass thrown in a spot he had to change direction. Can't recall a single one "in the numbers".
When's game two?! Lol

[DarthMonk]

BTW - the officials were amazing.

Their consistent whistles left no doubt when a play was over making the game seem safer than usual.

They were also much better at detecting false starts than the old refs ... did you notice?

And what's all the fuss about the touchback call? I've confused the 5 yard line with the goal line plenty of times. I'm just glad Arizona wasn't charged a time out on the challenge.

And why isn't anyone mentioning the illegal formation call? Huh? Tell me that. I'll tell ya why. It was a good call.

Hey, if going cheap on refs keeps a plastic bottle of warm Miller Lite at FedEx Field from going over $10 I say let the old guys eat cake.

Hail.

DarthMonk

[Irn-Bru]

BTW - the officials were amazing.

Their consistent whistles left no doubt when a play was over making the game seem safer than usual.

They were also much better at detecting false starts than the old refs ... did you notice?

And what's all the fuss about the touchback call? I've confused the 5 yard line with the goal line plenty of times. I'm just glad Arizona wasn't charged a time out on the challenge.

And why isn't anyone mentioning the illegal formation call? Huh? Tell me that. I'll tell ya why. It was a good call.

Hey, if going cheap on refs keeps a plastic bottle of warm Miller Lite at FedEx Field from going over $10 I say let the old guys eat cake.

Hail.

DarthMonk