Why Would You Draft Another QB ?

[tribeofjudah]

What do you know.....

Report: Skins plan to trade Cousins in future ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Saturday that the Redskins drafted Kirk Cousins in the fourth round with the intention of "developing" him and trading Cousins for draft picks down the road.
The Cousins pick has drawn media flak due to a phony QB controversy, though Cousins won't even be Robert Griffin III's backup. He'll be a third-stringer, and Rex Grossman will play if Griffin struggles. The Redskins will hope that Cousins' arm gets stronger and he adds some weight while riding the bench. At worst, the Redskins have themselves a potentially quality long-term backup. At best, Cousins will bring back a second-round pick in a few years.

[Kilmer72]

And there goes the theory about getting rid of Rex. I like Rex just where he is.

[tribeofjudah]

Sexy will do fine backing up RGIII. Sit down, wait your turn, be ready to play, and still get paid....

sounds good to me.

[SkinsHead56]

After trading three 1st round picks for RG3? Does that make any sense....why not sign veteran Qbs to surround your young QB? Did Indy draft another Qb?

If i was RG3 i will ask for a trade right now

Then you'd be a complete doughnut*. What's the matter, scared of a little competiton...????



*Please note the proper spelling

This is not about competition but our priorities....We don't need a stockpile of Qbs ...we need defensive help and other positions.

yeah I can see where a fourth rnd guy will be thw key to the playoffs here.

[The Hogster]

I was shocked and confused that we drafted a QB, but I get it now. He's going to be our 3rd QB. There will be no controversy and he's better than Beck already. The only issue I had with the pick is how early it was relative to who was on the board. I would have gone with Bobby Massie but that's just me.

[Kilmer72]

I am encouraged by this draft class. I am not a fan of the Shanny and Son but, I might have been wrong about them and I am still good with that. They are proving to draft as best as they can and fill a need with the BPA at the time; that best fits thier scheme. They are trying to do the best they can.

[FireVinny]

And there goes the theory about getting rid of Rex. I like Rex just where he is.

Cousins can't be trade bait unless he's the backup and gets a chance to shine in year 2 or 3 (hopefully due to a minor injury to RG3 and not a major one). The best parallel is Matt Schaub (aside from Schaub being a bit bigger, there are a lot of similarities between scouting reports on Schaub and Cousins). This year, we might need a veteran behind RG3 (unless Cousins can beat him out in camp, and I think he'll be given the chance to do so)... but next year Rex is gone.

[1niksder]

Hopefully due to blowouts and the Shannys want to rest RGIII

[Red_One43]

And there goes the theory about getting rid of Rex. I like Rex just where he is.

Cousins can't be trade bait unless he's the backup and gets a chance to shine in year 2 or 3 (hopefully due to a minor injury to RG3 and not a major one). The best parallel is Matt Schaub (aside from Schaub being a bit bigger, there are a lot of similarities between scouting reports on Schaub and Cousins). This year, we might need a veteran behind RG3 (unless Cousins can beat him out in camp, and I think he'll be given the chance to do so)... but next year Rex is gone.

+1

Nobody trades a second round pick for a pre-season star QB. There are plenty of those around or should I say not around as well.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Re: Cousins is simply TRADE BAIT...

He'll be here for the four years of his rookie contract. He's here to be a backup. That if he and RG3 both pan out he could eventually be traded doesn't make him "simply" trade bait. Teams need backups. This is silly. I know you like starting threads, but you're stretching.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Teams need backups. This is silly.

This.

I know you like starting threads, but you're stretching.

This really wasn't deserving of a new thread.

[UK Skins Fan]

"Chris Mortensen reported"???"" Err, no. Chris Mortensen speculated. Unless, of course, sources close to Shanahan have confided in him that this was the motivation behind drafting Cousins.

ESPN blows hot air.

[funsho2]

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NEW YORK -- Musings, observations, and the occasional insight as we wrap up the NFL's entire three-day draft extravaganza at Radio City Music Hall ...

• I keep trying to discern the master plan in Washington's pick of Kirk Cousins, but I just can't see the wisdom of it. It strikes me as the wrong move, at the wrong time, by the wrong team.

Just when they were enjoying a wildly successful and well-reviewed offseason, the Redskins stunned the rest of the NFL Saturday afternoon by selecting the Michigan State senior quarterback in the fourth round, with pick No. 102. It came exactly 100 draft slots after Washington had taken Baylor's Robert Griffin III, a player the franchise gave up a king's ransom for in that early March trade with St. Louis.

What in the name of Gus Frerotte is going on here?

On the surface, I understand the investment in the future rationale. But this wasn't Green Bay or Philadelphia making its usual move of drafting a quarterback to develop in the middle rounds every few years or so, on the thinking that he might just develop either into your starter way down the road, or some handy trade bait in a couple of years. This was Washington, a team with plenty of needs and a relative scarcity of draft picks this year and in the near future thanks to the blockbuster RG3 trade, spending a second of its first three choices this weekend on a quarterback.

According to ESPN's reporting, the Redskins braintrust sees this as a similar situation Atlanta was in early in the Michael Vick era. The Falcons drafted Matt Schaub out of Virginia in the third round in 2004, played him only when Vick was hurt, but developed him enough to ship him to Houston in the spring of 2007 for a pair of second-round picks in a deal that was widely hailed as a coup for Atlanta.

But a couple key differences need pointing out: Vick was well-established as the face of the franchise in Atlanta and entering his fourth year in the NFL by the time Schaub was drafted in 2004; the two didn't break in as rookies together like Griffin and Cousins will do. And it took Atlanta three years to cultivate a trade market for Schaub, before the payoff came via trade in return for its investment. A similar timetable could be in the offing for Cousins and Washington, and that might be the best-case scenario.

That's why puzzling doesn't begin to describe the call. The Redskins simply aren't in the position to take that sort of nonessential gamble at this point in the Mike Shanahan coaching era, and I don't care how highly they had Cousins graded, it's at best sending a confusing and mixed message just when Washington seemed to at last have a clarity of vision. This was going to be RG3's team, RG3's town, and RG3's time. Case closed. Or not.

Don't get me wrong. I don't really believe Cousins is in any way going to pose true competition for Griffin. Not with the talents Griffin has, and not with the price Washington paid for him.

But what's the point of having the coaching staff expend any energy or time trying to develop two rookie quarterbacks simultaneously? What's the point of handing the team's rabid fan base and the media any other storyline at quarterback other than Griffin is the guy, the franchise, the future? This is D.C. after all. They've specialized in quarterback controversies there since Sammy Baugh retired.

And what's the point of putting even a shred of doubt in Griffin's mind about his status on the depth chart or what Shanahan might be thinking? Griffin at least watched from afar as the Donovan McNabb-Shanahan marriage fall apart quickly in 2010 when the head coach back away from the QB he had so enthusiastically embraced and given up much to acquire only months before.

Again, that's not going to be Griffin's experience in Washington. I'm confident of that. But I just don't see enough upside to warrant opening the can of worms the Redskins opened Saturday. The risk-reward ratio is out of whack on this one.

Sorry, but Shanahan tried to be too smart by half this time. It's not even as if Washington was desperate for a decent backup behind Griffin, because as No. 2's go, you could do a lot worse than veteran and onetime Super Bowl starter Rex Grossman. You don't want Grossman starting, as we learned again last season, but he can win you a game or two in relief on his Good Rex days. As for the Redskins' other 2010 starting quarterback, Godspeed, John Beck. Washington released him Saturday after drafting Cousins.

In Cousins, you have a fourth-round investment tied up in a quarterback who might require two or three years of preseason play and development in order to get your value back out of him on the trade market. With an 11-21 won-loss record so far in Washington, and Year 3 of the Shanahan era looking so potentially pivotal, was fleecing some needy team in the backup quarterback trade market in 2014 really that high up on the Redskins' priority list?

It shouldn't have been. By any measure, the question of whether a developmental quarterback/insurance policy was really the best possible use of the Redskins' fourth-round pick in 2012 becomes almost laughable. How could it be? With Griffin, the time is now in Washington. Adding Cousins to the mix only served to potentially muddle the Redskins' focus. And Washington already has endured plenty of that particular problem for the past 12 frustrating years.

Cousins might some day be a successful starting quarteback in the NFL. But him becoming a Redskin now, on the heels of RG3's arrival in D.C., is a case of the wrong move, at the wrong time, by the wrong team.

• Judging from this year's draft, it's pretty clear who's being chased and who's doing the chasing in the NFC East. The New York Giants are coming off their second Super Bowl championship in a five-season span, putting Washington, Dallas and Philadelphia all in serious lean-forward mode.

The Redskins, of course, swung the deal of the century in moving up to No. 2 to land the franchise quarterback they've lacked for decades in Griffin; the Cowboys got bold in jumping from No. 14 to No. 6 in order to acquire LSU cornerback Morris Clairborne and hopefully fix their shaky secondary; and the Eagles get busy on the defensive front, trading up from 15th to 12th to nab Mississippi State defensive tackle Fletcher Cox and solidify their front seven.

New York, with the luxury and latitude that perhaps comes with winning a championship, got to sit tight with its No. 32 draft slot, picking off a player in Virginia Tech running back David Wilson who both fit its needs and its draft grades. No big, splashy trade up forthcoming from the G-Men. None were necessary.

It's still a tightly-clumped division, as always, but the NFC East is the Giants and three Giants wannabees.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

[funsho2]

This is why we are not a good run franchise while Snider owns the team!
We spend (3) 1st’s and (1) 2nd on a QB, just to get another QB 2 of your teams picks later? There are more pressing needs than a 2nd QB. Beck and Grossman are capable backups. It just makes no sense. Instead of drafting a player that can eventually start or actually be good enough to start. We needed WR help, a Center, a RT, maybe even an ILB, or maybe even a Safety. Yet, we wasted our relatively early pick on a player that we don’t expect to EVER see the field. How are you supposed to “flip” this player in 3-4 years? Showing what he has during preseason games? Please…..Talk about Heath Shuler Gus Frerotte part 2

[funsho2]

And some clown brought up indy colts drafting a QB....they used their last freaking pick to draft a QB not a 4th round pick.....tard!!!

[SouthLondonRedskin]

Cousins will get a chance to shine in the last two games of every season, once we've secured home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

What..?!?

Me, carried away..?!?!??

Never!!!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

What a senseless article. I started to pick it apart but there's too much crap in it to make it worth my time. The writer contradicts himself 1000 times.


For anyone who's too busy to wade through that crap, I'll summarize it.


"We, the media have an issue with this selection. Our issue is based purely off of assumption and conjecture, it is not rooted in any facts. We're purely speculating what we think MIGHT happen and are creating the story that we assume will happen, before it happens. We know that people with below average comprehension skills will fall for the banana in the tail pipe."

[funsho2]

How will get a chance to play if griffin starts the whole game in the season?....

Why are you fools predicting griffin will get hurt?

And why you guys sure this guy will be good? Kevin kolb was rated high too....

mods merge this with the other thread

[Deadskins]

This was Washington, a team with plenty of needs and a relative scarcity of draft picks this year and in the near future thanks to the blockbuster RG3 trade

Um, we were without a single, 2nd round pick this year because of that trade.

[Deadskins]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

What a senseless article. I started to pick it apart but there's too much crap in it to make it worth my time. The writer contradicts himself 1000 times.


For anyone who's too busy to wade through that crap, I'll summarize it.


"We, the media have an issue with this selection. Our issue is based purely off of assumption and conjecture, it is not rooted in any facts. We're purely speculating what we think MIGHT happen and are creating the story that we assume will happen, before it happens. We know that people with below average comprehension skills will fall for the banana in the tail pipe."

It's this last line that tells you all you need to know about this article:

It's still a tightly-clumped division, as always, but the NFC East is the Giants and three Giants wannabees.

G-strings homer.

[Irn-Bru]

"Chris Mortensen reported"???""

That was the main thing that caught my eye too. I couldn't really read the rest after seeing that.

[emoses14]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

What a senseless article. I started to pick it apart but there's too much crap in it to make it worth my time. The writer contradicts himself 1000 times.


For anyone who's too busy to wade through that crap, I'll summarize it.


"We, the media have an issue with this selection. Our issue is based purely off of assumption and conjecture, it is not rooted in any facts. We're purely speculating what we think MIGHT happen and are creating the story that we assume will happen, before it happens. We know that people with below average comprehension skills will fall for the banana in the tail pipe."

So I guess then only question is whether you're a "yeah, we're not gonna fall for a banana in the tail pipe" or a "Look Man! I ain't fallin for no banana in my tailpipe" kinda guy?

[Countertrey]

How will get a chance to play if griffin starts the whole game in the season?....

Assuming the Redskins actually become good enough, the last game or two of the season, once home field advantage has been secured, are a nice time to showcase talent you want to market.

Why are you fools predicting griffin will get hurt?

Here's a better question (actually, 2)... why do you continue to insist we have said something that we didn't. Suggesting that having a quality back-up as insurance against injury is not quite the same thing. The fact is, higly mobile quarterbacks place themselves in risky situations all the time. Question 2: Why do you continue to insult other board members outside of smack? Bad boy. You feel strongly that the FO screwed up. We get it... Most of us disagree... get over it. You want to hurl an insult or two? Take it to smack.

And why you guys sure this guy will be good? Kevin kolb was rated high too....

I'm sure there's a point somewhere in here...

mods merge this with the other thread

Finally... something we can agree on... Done.

[emoses14]

How will get a chance to play if griffin starts the whole game in the season?....

Why are you fools predicting griffin will get hurt?

And why you guys sure this guy will be good? Kevin kolb was rated high too....
mods merge this with the other thread

Was this directed at Griffin or Cousins? If it was directed at Cousins, then aren't you answering your own question wth the example? The idea is for Cousins to be an expected serviceable back up and a hoped for great back up for three or four years (whichever gets us to the final year before his K is up), just like Kolb was for the Eagles, and then trade him for a king's ransom, just like the eagles did with Kolb, and let his next team realize they got the short end of the stick. That is unless he takes the money we want to give him to stay, in which case our back up qb is point of comfort and not anxiety.

Still not seeing how so many are completely missing the advantage here.

Oh, and in their draft wrap up special (good grief!), ESPN's talking heads of Herm Edwards, Teddy Bruschetta, Mel Baltimoron Kiper and Todd McShay, the first three all lamented the possible problems that Cousins would present for RGIII with mixed messages from the FO and wasting time on 2 young QBs and creating a controversey with such a good leader coming in at the same time. McShay essentially said, "are you guys nuts? When has competition and having to compete ever been a bad thing; RGIII biggest concern is getting injured because he's mobile; and in 3 years this guys trade value will be high"

So, you know, Todd was the only one that actually thought before he spoke.[/quote]

[Countertrey]

ESPN, lamenting the "confusing" message being given RGIII is a riot. What quarterback of quality ISN'T going to enjoy some comptetition. I'm also comfortable that he is very much at peace with his situation. It's his to lose... and no one sees that happening. I doubt very much that our new starter is threatened by his "challenger". He understands, as a sprinter, that better speed comes from better competition.

Kiper is indeed the moron that keeps Baltimore moronic... McShay has been kicking Kiper's butt all over the place, and Kiper is getting... pissed. Love it.