Why Would You Draft Another QB ?

[KazooSkinsFan]

instead they could have used that puck on a potential starting RT, NT, or player at a number or weak positions

A fourth round pick a potential starter? It's extremely rare that a fourth round plus rookie would be a starter. Do you follow football at all?

[KazooSkinsFan]

The question is how come we didn't hear this with carolina when they drafted newton...knowing he can run too....

Quality quarterbacks have frail egos, fear competition and grow on trees, so we only need one quarterback on the roster who can play the position. If he struggles or is injured then and only then do we go out and replace him, which is easy because they grow on trees.

Your point is noted.

I do believe you're a Redskin fan, but I am perplexed that a fan of a team that started 21 quarterbacks in 19 years would throw a rod over the idea of having two good young quarterbacks on the roster.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I was hoping we would select another QB. I was pulling for Russell Wilson, just didn't make it to the later rounds. Cousins will give us some depth and competition for the number two spot. God knows we need it. If he doesn't make it he can sit a year on the practice squad. Grossman's days are running out.

Practice squad isn't an option, he'd be picked up. He'll be on the roster.

[Red_One43]

With this stuff about the Panthers not drafting a QB this year - let's not forget that they drafted Clausen (3rd Round) the year before Cam Newton and the Browns, this year, spending a number 1 on a QB who is older than the one they spent a number three on to years ago. When a team is not happy with their starter (Grossman) and the back up (Grossman is fine this year, but do you really what a back up who averages two picks a game for his career?), then you find two talented QBs. How you do it doesn't matter. What matters is making sure, whether it is draft or FA, the guy is talented enough to do the job for the short run and the long run.

A better debate would be - Is Cousins talented enough to be a worthy back up and potential starter somewhere in the future?

My answer is yes.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/2/1 ... ing-report

[chiefhog44]

I still contend that Grossman is a good backup. I also think Cousins is much better, higher upside, and could be used in a trade down the road. The average percentage of finding a starter in the 4th round is 25%. I think the chance that someday he becomes a starter is higher and if he does, we will benefit. If no one else gave us a higher chance of contributing, then I'm fine with it. I'm not in the draft room and have no idea who else they were looking at. Oh and by the way, no trolls were in there either.

[markshark84]

I see no problem with the pick. RGIII is not a gaurantee. He comes from a spread offense and has small hands. Cousins should have been gone by our pick in the 4th. By the fourth round, you are looking for VALUE.

If/When RGIII works out, he may be used as very good trade bait moving forward.

[riggofan]

Am I required to have an extreme opinion on this?

I haven't heard anyone or read any posts by anyone who thinks this was just a so-so pick. I don't love the pick, but I get the rationale, and I think it might work out OK. Am I allowed to have such a neutral opinion?

I think this is one of the best posts in this thread so far. I had pretty much the same reaction to the pick yesterday. I was surprised, probably wasn't my first choice, but I get the reasoning. If it works out well, its kind of a genius move.

I disagree slightly with what some of you are saying about the competition aspect. Clearly, RGIII is not in danger of losing his job to Cousins the year. But I still think a QB like Cousins in camp will have a positive, competitive effect on RGIII. You can bet Cousins is going to be there working his butt off. It should be good motivation for RGIII.

Also, I've been wondering about the two QBs on the roster issue. I know its a longshot, but wouldn't it be something if Cousins manages to edge out Rex this summer?

[1niksder]

Am I required to have an extreme opinion on this?

I haven't heard anyone or read any posts by anyone who thinks this was just a so-so pick. I don't love the pick, but I get the rationale, and I think it might work out OK. Am I allowed to have such a neutral opinion?

I think this is one of the best posts in this thread so far. I had pretty much the same reaction to the pick yesterday. I was surprised, probably wasn't my first choice, but I get the reasoning. If it works out well, its kind of a genius move.

I disagree slightly with what some of you are saying about the competition aspect. Clearly, RGIII is not in danger of losing his job to Cousins the year. But I still think a QB like Cousins in camp will have a positive, competitive effect on RGIII. You can bet Cousins is going to be there working his butt off. It should be good motivation for RGIII.

Also, I've been wondering about the two QBs on the roster issue. I know its a longshot, but wouldn't it be something if Cousins manages to edge out Rex this summer?

I think he will edge out Rex, maybe not this summer but before the season ends. Shanny told RGIII that Cousins was being drafted and called him a long term insurance policy. That sounds like Rex is in competition for his roster spot if they only keep two QBs, but I think they'll keep 3 this year

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think he will edge out Rex, maybe not this summer but before the season ends. Shanny told RGIII that Cousins was being drafted and called him a long term insurance policy. That sounds like Rex is in competition for his roster spot if they only keep two QBs, but I think they'll keep 3 this year

I agree, I think the plan ultimately is to go with RG3 and Cousins the next few years. But this year there's no way we have only two rookie QBs.

[Mississippiskinsfan2]

Most of us hopes RG3 starts the season as the starter so we all must be willing to deal with up and down play that comes with having a rookie QB starting. Knowing there will be up and down play with RG3 I would be fine with a rookie QB backing him up "IF" he can show he can play just as good or better than Rex. We put up with Rex's up and down play last year so why not just keep two rookies who should get better with playing time. Maybe I'm just thinking crazy but I think it would work out just the same.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Most of us hopes RG3 starts the season as the starter so we all must be willing to deal with up and down play that comes with having a rookie QB starting. Knowing there will be up and down play with RG3 I would be fine with a rookie QB backing him up "IF" he can show he can play just as good or better than Rex. We put up with Rex's up and down play last year so why not just keep two rookies who should get better with playing time. Maybe I'm just thinking crazy but I think it would work out just the same.

It's not just having a veteran to back up RG3 but having a veteran to mentor the two kiddie poos. No way we go with two rookies. You can bookmark this post and nail me if we do. No freaking way. None. Zero.

[RayNAustin]

Did Indy draft another Qb?

uh yes they did actually. Is this post not the dumbest thing?

Indy is the one that actually needs a backup....name the qbs on their roster right now without googling?

Plus the colts didn't send 2 future first round picks and a 2nd round pick to get a QB...did they?

Actually, they did. Both Indy and the Rams had the #1 and #2 overall ... Indy could just as easily traded that pick for AT LEAST as much as the Rams got from the Redskins. So, by using their pick to take Luck, Indy (in effect) gave up two extra #1's and a 2 .... and Indy has far more holes to fill than the Redskins do.

You already lost 3 future picks on a guy you want to build your future around...why not sign quality veterans to back him up...why waste the few picks you have left on another qb....when u can fill some holes on your team.

We lost NOTHING. If RG3 becomes the player that everyone believes he will be, he's worth all that and much more. Only if he winds up a bust have the Redskins "lost" anything. (And there is no guarantee that those extra picks would be super stars either).

Besides, we already have a veteran QB with three years experience in OUR offense on the roster as a backup ... so there was no need to go get one in FA. A quality developmental QB to serve as a long term backup was a hole in the roster that needed to be filled ... and Cousins was projected as a 2nd rounder that fell to the 4th ... a steal at that spot.

How nobody is saying if andrew luck gets hurt....nobody said that last year about cam newton....but he was stella right?.....You are already thinking injury....what a f'd up mentality we have on this board.

Indy majorly fouled up by not focusing on having a capable backup groomed to fill in for Peyton .. evidenced by the fact that they couldn't compete with their cheer leading squad last year without him. If there is ANY MODERN EVIDENCE of the extreme need for a starting quality backup QB ... Indy's experience with Peyton is the perfect example.

Besides, you don't draft 4th rounders with a high expectation of being starters ... that type of player is generally gone in the first 2 or 3 rounds! Picks in rounds 4-7 are expected to compete for a chance to make the 53 man roster as depth ... and like any other position, you need depth at the QB spot. So, drafting a player in the 4th round that you know will be on the roster is a winning pick for the 4th round.

There's a lot more that goes into these selections than you apparently consider .... 1) was there another player available at that spot that they had rated higher and that filled a need? Apparently not, else they would have picked that player instead. 2) when your turn comes up, you don't always know ahead of time who will be there ... so you have contingencies ... and you have a board of players ranked .... if they had Cousins ranked as a late second round pick on their board (as some boards did), and he fell to the 4th, conventional wisdom is that you snatch up a player like that, especially if it also fills a need. It would have been stupid not to make that pick.

Was it a surprising pick? Yes ... to most onlookers (including myself) that just assumed that RG3 was the beginning and end for the Redskin QB activity, it was unexpected. But to the Shanahan clan, they obviously hadn't forgotten just how disappointingly atrocious Beck proved to be, He was a major miscalculation on their part, since they gave him every opportunity to show his stuff. Not only was he given the express lane to become the starter ... his performance showed him to not even be a viable option as a backup, so there was no reason whatsoever to waste anymore time, effort or money on him (or have him around as a reminder of that "I stake my reputation on it" mistake. So they addressed it with Cousins.

If you have a chance to rectify a previously disastrous mistake with a 4th rounder, especially one that was rated as a 2nd round talent, you do it. It's as simple as that. In retrospect, it makes perfect sense, and a sign that the FO is really thinking on their feet and addressing both short and long term needs ... while replacing that bad taste (Beck) in your mouth that you'd rather not have lingering around any longer.

[1niksder]

Did Indy draft another Qb?

uh yes they did actually. Is this post not the dumbest thing?

Indy is the one that actually needs a backup....name the qbs on their roster right now without googling?

Plus the colts didn't send 2 future first round picks and a 2nd round pick to get a QB...did they?

Actually, they did. Both Indy and the Rams had the #1 and #2 overall ... Indy could just as easily traded that pick for AT LEAST as much as the Rams got from the Redskins. So, by using their pick to take Luck, Indy (in effect) gave up two extra #1's and a 2 .... and Indy has far more holes to fill than the Redskins do.

You already lost 3 future picks on a guy you want to build your future around...why not sign quality veterans to back him up...why waste the few picks you have left on another qb....when u can fill some holes on your team.

We lost NOTHING. If RG3 becomes the player that everyone believes he will be, he's worth all that and much more. Only if he winds up a bust have the Redskins "lost" anything. (And there is no guarantee that those extra picks would be super stars either).

Besides, we already have a veteran QB with three years experience in OUR offense on the roster as a backup ... so there was no need to go get one in FA. A quality developmental QB to serve as a long term backup was a hole in the roster that needed to be filled ... and Cousins was projected as a 2nd rounder that fell to the 4th ... a steal at that spot.

How nobody is saying if andrew luck gets hurt....nobody said that last year about cam newton....but he was stella right?.....You are already thinking injury....what a f'd up mentality we have on this board.

Indy majorly fouled up by not focusing on having a capable backup groomed to fill in for Peyton .. evidenced by the fact that they couldn't compete with their cheer leading squad last year without him. If there is ANY MODERN EVIDENCE of the extreme need for a starting quality backup QB ... Indy's experience with Peyton is the perfect example.

Besides, you don't draft 4th rounders with a high expectation of being starters ... that type of player is generally gone in the first 2 or 3 rounds! Picks in rounds 4-7 are expected to compete for a chance to make the 53 man roster as depth ... and like any other position, you need depth at the QB spot. So, drafting a player in the 4th round that you know will be on the roster is a winning pick for the 4th round.

There's a lot more that goes into these selections than you apparently consider .... 1) was there another player available at that spot that they had rated higher and that filled a need? Apparently not, else they would have picked that player instead. 2) when your turn comes up, you don't always know ahead of time who will be there ... so you have contingencies ... and you have a board of players ranked .... if they had Cousins ranked as a late second round pick on their board (as some boards did), and he fell to the 4th, conventional wisdom is that you snatch up a player like that, especially if it also fills a need. It would have been stupid not to make that pick.

Was it a surprising pick? Yes ... to most onlookers (including myself) that just assumed that RG3 was the beginning and end for the Redskin QB activity, it was unexpected. But to the Shanahan clan, they obviously hadn't forgotten just how disappointingly atrocious Beck proved to be, He was a major miscalculation on their part, since they gave him every opportunity to show his stuff. Not only was he given the express lane to become the starter ... his performance showed him to not even be a viable option as a backup, so there was no reason whatsoever to waste anymore time, effort or money on him (or have him around as a reminder of that "I stake my reputation on it" mistake. So they addressed it with Cousins.

If you have a chance to rectify a previously disastrous mistake with a 4th rounder, especially one that was rated as a 2nd round talent, you do it. It's as simple as that. In retrospect, it makes perfect sense, and a sign that the FO is really thinking on their feet and addressing both short and long term needs ... while replacing that bad taste (Beck) in your mouth that you'd rather not have lingering around any longer.

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[RayNAustin]

what I don't understand, is during the lead up to their first 4th round selection, how come ZERO people on this website have any posts saying "boy, I hope they take Kirk cousins with this pick, it would be a smart move."

no one said that. note. you all did mention other players you wanted....only after the pick do you mention it as good .

what good sheep you are.

If you're such a smart guy ... why waste time arguing with mindless sheep? Why not put that brilliance to use, and get yourself a job in an NFL front office instead? Surely someone besides yourself will recognize your grand wisdom.

Seems to me, none of us sheep are capable of recognizing your true genius, so no sense in continuing to waste your pearls of wisdom here!

[KazooSkinsFan]

Actually, they did. Both Indy and the Rams had the #1 and #2 overall ...

Bam, excellent Post Ray. Word.

[Countertrey]

RayN be knockin dem outta de park today... +1

[Kilmer72]

what I don't understand, is during the lead up to their first 4th round selection, how come ZERO people on this website have any posts saying "boy, I hope they take Kirk cousins with this pick, it would be a smart move."

no one said that. note. you all did mention other players you wanted....only after the pick do you mention it as good .

what good sheep you are.

If you're such a smart guy ... why waste time arguing with mindless sheep? Why not put that brilliance to use, and get yourself a job in an NFL front office instead? Surely someone besides yourself will recognize your grand wisdom.

Seems to me, none of us sheep are capable of recognizing your true genius, so no sense in continuing to waste your pearls of wisdom here!

I want to LMAO but promised I wouldn't. I hope I am forgiven.

[Mississippiskinsfan2]

Most of us hopes RG3 starts the season as the starter so we all must be willing to deal with up and down play that comes with having a rookie QB starting. Knowing there will be up and down play with RG3 I would be fine with a rookie QB backing him up "IF" he can show he can play just as good or better than Rex. We put up with Rex's up and down play last year so why not just keep two rookies who should get better with playing time. Maybe I'm just thinking crazy but I think it would work out just the same.

It's not just having a veteran to back up RG3 but having a veteran to mentor the two kiddie poos. No way we go with two rookies. You can bookmark this post and nail me if we do. No freaking way. None. Zero.

I didn't say it would happen just saying I would feel fine with it if that's the way it turned out. The players get paid to play and the coaches get paid to show them how to do it. Us fans make more out of the mentoring stuff than there really is. And yes I know it helps to have someone there who has being doing it for a few years but in the end its the coaches job to make sure the players are ready. I think we will have 3 QB to start the season but if they needed a body somewhere else I would feel just as good with two rookies QBs as I would with RG3 and Rex

[Kilmer72]

Most of us hopes RG3 starts the season as the starter so we all must be willing to deal with up and down play that comes with having a rookie QB starting. Knowing there will be up and down play with RG3 I would be fine with a rookie QB backing him up "IF" he can show he can play just as good or better than Rex. We put up with Rex's up and down play last year so why not just keep two rookies who should get better with playing time. Maybe I'm just thinking crazy but I think it would work out just the same.

It's not just having a veteran to back up RG3 but having a veteran to mentor the two kiddie poos. No way we go with two rookies. You can bookmark this post and nail me if we do. No freaking way. None. Zero.

I didn't say it would happen just saying I would feel fine with it if that's the way it turned out. The players get paid to play and the coaches get paid to show them how to do it. Us fans make more out of the mentoring stuff than there really is. And yes I know it helps to have someone there who has being doing it for a few years but in the end its the coaches job to make sure the players are ready. I think we will have 3 QB to start the season but if they needed a body somewhere else I would feel just as good with two rookies QBs as I would with RG3 and Rex

Maybe. I want to say look at Matt Flynn and Rogers but they might not have had real mentoring. Just real coaching.

[Mississippiskinsfan2]

It helps when you have a group of the WR like packers do too.

[Kilmer72]

Yes and it takes a real QB to make it happen. We now have two young guys with some promise. There was no one else outside of Flynn that had promise as a veteran.

[Kilmer72]

This has been the best draft with less picks than I remember for a long time.

[Red_One43]

Most of us hopes RG3 starts the season as the starter so we all must be willing to deal with up and down play that comes with having a rookie QB starting. Knowing there will be up and down play with RG3 I would be fine with a rookie QB backing him up "IF" he can show he can play just as good or better than Rex. We put up with Rex's up and down play last year so why not just keep two rookies who should get better with playing time. Maybe I'm just thinking crazy but I think it would work out just the same.

It's not just having a veteran to back up RG3 but having a veteran to mentor the two kiddie poos. No way we go with two rookies. You can bookmark this post and nail me if we do. No freaking way. None. Zero.

I didn't say it would happen just saying I would feel fine with it if that's the way it turned out. The players get paid to play and the coaches get paid to show them how to do it. Us fans make more out of the mentoring stuff than there really is. And yes I know it helps to have someone there who has being doing it for a few years but in the end its the coaches job to make sure the players are ready. I think we will have 3 QB to start the season but if they needed a body somewhere else I would feel just as good with two rookies QBs as I would with RG3 and Rex

Maybe. I want to say look at Matt Flynn and Rogers but they might not have had real mentoring. Just real coaching.

Hey, that's what Brett Favre said.

[SkinFan63]

After trading three 1st round picks for RG3? Does that make any sense....why not sign veteran Qbs to surround your young QB? Did Indy draft another Qb?

If i was RG3 i will ask for a trade right now

Then you'd be a complete doughnut*. What's the matter, scared of a little competiton...????



*Please note the proper spelling

This is not about competition but our priorities....We don't need a stockpile of Qbs ...we need defensive help and other positions.

This is not about competition but our priorities....We don't need a stockpile of Qbs ...we need defensive help and other positions.[/quote]

We don't have a stockpile of qb's. This was an AWESOME decision to take Cousins in the 4th. A. he was speculated to go in the 2nd round but still available in the 4th. B. Who do you want to be our long term back up qb....Grossman?? C. If needed he can be traded for a #1-2 in the future just like Kevin Kolb. It's called insurance and we need some.

[Kilmer72]

After trading three 1st round picks for RG3? Does that make any sense....why not sign veteran Qbs to surround your young QB? Did Indy draft another Qb?

If i was RG3 i will ask for a trade right now

Then you'd be a complete doughnut*. What's the matter, scared of a little competiton...????



*Please note the proper spelling

This is not about competition but our priorities....We don't need a stockpile of Qbs ...we need defensive help and other positions.

This is not about competition but our priorities....We don't need a stockpile of Qbs ...we need defensive help and other positions.

We don't have a stockpile of qb's. This was an AWESOME decision to take Cousins in the 4th. A. he was speculated to go in the 2nd round but still available in the 4th. B. Who do you want to be our long term back up qb....Grossman?? C. If needed he can be traded for a #1-2 in the future just like Kevin Kolb. It's called insurance and we need some.[/quote]


Hey we need QBs,,, Rather they are from mortgaging our future or getting lucky. Last really good one we had was Johnson. We now have a potential saver.