riggofan wrote:Ok you're right. Good to know we can believe everything Shanahan said this week. I was kind of worried about Jammal Brown up to this point, but sounds like he is 100% and we have no need at right tackle.
There most definitely a need for a PLAN at RT. There isn't particulary a DIRE NEED to find his immediate replacement. Mike could very well be pleased with Browns progress AND still draft a RT.
OK, but what if Mike is actually NOT pleased with Brown's progress? Don't you think it is TO HIS BENEFIT to mislead other teams in the draft if he would like to draft a new RT?
I'm just talking about gamesmanship here. If you don't think its especially effective, then fine. I just don't understand why you guys are arguing as if it doesn't go on. Shanahan has a long history of this stuff - I'm sure you guys know the story of when he drafted Cutler. Even last year, he had a lot of the "experts" believing he was going to take Gabbert.
riggofan wrote:OK, but what if Mike is actually NOT pleased with Brown's progress? Don't you think it is TO HIS BENEFIT to mislead other teams in the draft if he would like to draft a new RT?
Assuming we draft a RT with our third rounder and assuming they end up as a long term starter, the odds they start this year are still almost zero. Other then rare exceptions only a high first round tackle starts their rookie year unless it's later in the year, probably with an injury. If a third round tackle ends up being a starter in their second or third year that's a great pick. Day one? It's dreaming.
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haven't you heard Kaz ... all rational thinking is leaving in a few hours
the RG3 era is here and all bets are off
the offensive line and in fact the whole offense will be unstoppable ....
we'll see even more outrageous posts than before .............
if that's possible
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
riggofan wrote:OK, but what if Mike is actually NOT pleased with Brown's progress? Don't you think it is TO HIS BENEFIT to mislead other teams in the draft if he would like to draft a new RT?
Assuming we draft a RT with our third rounder and assuming they end up as a long term starter, the odds they start this year are still almost zero. Other then rare exceptions only a high first round tackle starts their rookie year unless it's later in the year, probably with an injury. If a third round tackle ends up being a starter in their second or third year that's a great pick. Day one? It's dreaming.
I'm sure you're completely right about how soon a third round RT might be ready to start. My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
riggofan wrote:My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
Mislead? No, there are too many teams and too many players for it to be relevant to anyone. Not reveal who we are interested in? Other then rare cases like the #2 pick, absolutely. But going to the trouble to "mis" lead is over thinking it.
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riggofan wrote:My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
Mislead? No, there are too many teams and too many players for it to be relevant to anyone. Not reveal who we are interested in? Other then rare cases like the #2 pick, absolutely. But going to the trouble to "mis" lead is over thinking it.
riggofan wrote:My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
Mislead? No, there are too many teams and too many players for it to be relevant to anyone. Not reveal who we are interested in? Other then rare cases like the #2 pick, absolutely. But going to the trouble to "mis" lead is over thinking it.
riggofan wrote:My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
Mislead? No, there are too many teams and too many players for it to be relevant to anyone. Not reveal who we are interested in? Other then rare cases like the #2 pick, absolutely. But going to the trouble to "mis" lead is over thinking it.
hahah. You should email this to Colt McCoy.
Not quite the same. They misled Colt McCoy, not other teams. McCoy is McMediocre and Weeden seems like a good QB. If he were younger he might have been the Phins pick at #8. At #22 he was a good pick. Not being sure if he'd be there, you don't want to risk McCoy doing a Cutler and then they don't get Weeden.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Mislead? No, there are too many teams and too many players for it to be relevant to anyone. Not reveal who we are interested in? Other then rare cases like the #2 pick, absolutely. But going to the trouble to "mis" lead is over thinking it.
hahah. You should email this to Colt McCoy.
Not quite the same. They misled Colt McCoy, not other teams.
So let me see if I have this straight... McCoy was mislead by the Browns' blatantly false statements to the NATIONAL PRESS. But other teams in the NFL were not?
I seriously don't know why you're trying to defend your ridiculous non-point. Here's a 2008 article from USA on why the NFL Draft is known as "The Lying Season". Maybe you can email the author and explain why this is all completely wrong.
The World Series of Poker has nothing on the NFL draft.
As the league's 32 teams have nitpicked hundreds of college players eligible for this weekend's draft in New York City, many of the teams also have jockeyed for an edge by trying to conceal their true intentions. The days before the draft are filled with misinformation campaigns, media leaks and smokescreens as teams play what amounts to a high-stakes game of bluffing.
Often, a team's goal is to play down the abilities of a coveted player so that another team, picking earlier in the draft, doesn't snatch him. Some teams feign interest in players they have no intention of taking — even flying them to team headquarters for predraft visits — while virtually ignoring players they want most.
riggofan wrote:I seriously don't know why you're trying to defend your ridiculous non-point
Um...I answered your question...
riggofan wrote:My question is still the same. Is it to Shanahan's benefit to mislead about his intentions in the draft or not? Its a simple freaking question.
My understanding was you meant regarding other teams. If I misunderstood that and you meant players as well, then sure, if you have a player you're not in love with but is a girl like Cutler who doesn't grasp the NFL is competitive you might want to mislead them until you know for sure. If that's what you meant, then I misunderstood and I'm going to agree with you in that scenario it is in Shannahan's interest to do that.
If you meant what I thought you meant and now you're changing the question then my answer no longer applies because it wasn't the question I was answering. Those are the options. Only you know if you meant misleading players or not when you asked it the first time.
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riggofan wrote:
hahah. You should email this to Colt McCoy.
Not quite the same. They misled Colt McCoy, not other teams.
So let me see if I have this straight... McCoy was mislead by the Browns' blatantly false statements to the NATIONAL PRESS. But other teams in the NFL were not?
I seriously don't know why you're trying to defend your ridiculous non-point. Here's a 2008 article from USA on why the NFL Draft is known as "The Lying Season". Maybe you can email the author and explain why this is all completely wrong.
The World Series of Poker has nothing on the NFL draft.
As the league's 32 teams have nitpicked hundreds of college players eligible for this weekend's draft in New York City, many of the teams also have jockeyed for an edge by trying to conceal their true intentions. The days before the draft are filled with misinformation campaigns, media leaks and smokescreens as teams play what amounts to a high-stakes game of bluffing.
Often, a team's goal is to play down the abilities of a coveted player so that another team, picking earlier in the draft, doesn't snatch him. Some teams feign interest in players they have no intention of taking — even flying them to team headquarters for predraft visits — while virtually ignoring players they want most.
They told the National Press they wouldn't be taking a QB in the first round, they said their first pick wouldn't be used on a QB. They told Colt they weren't taking a QB in the first round. Granted they told the National Press and McCoy that Colt would be the starter this year.
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1niksder wrote:They told the National Press they wouldn't be taking a QB in the first round, they said their first pick wouldn't be used on a QB. They told Colt they weren't taking a QB in the first round. Granted they told the National Press and McCoy that Colt would be the starter this year.
Maybe Colt was sulking over the RG3 trade that fell through and they got tired of his crap
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
1niksder wrote:They told the National Press they wouldn't be taking a QB in the first round, they said their first pick wouldn't be used on a QB. They told Colt they weren't taking a QB in the first round. Granted they told the National Press and McCoy that Colt would be the starter this year.
Maybe Colt was sulking over the RG3 trade that fell through and they got tired of his crap
Maybe they are handling things the way the Browns handle things.... Wrong
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{o,o}
|)__)
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When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....
1niksder wrote:They told the National Press they wouldn't be taking a QB in the first round, they said their first pick wouldn't be used on a QB. They told Colt they weren't taking a QB in the first round. Granted they told the National Press and McCoy that Colt would be the starter this year.
Maybe Colt was sulking over the RG3 trade that fell through and they got tired of his crap
Maybe they are handling things the way the Browns handle things.... Wrong
Certainly a plausible theory...
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
1niksder wrote:They told the National Press they wouldn't be taking a QB in the first round, they said their first pick wouldn't be used on a QB. They told Colt they weren't taking a QB in the first round. Granted they told the National Press and McCoy that Colt would be the starter this year.
Maybe Colt was sulking over the RG3 trade that fell through and they got tired of his crap
Maybe they are handling things the way the Browns handle things.... Wrong
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Certainly a plausible theory...