LUCK and RGIII with GRUDEN

[Countertrey]

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I think that, by the end of preseason, the Shanahans will be HOPING that teams bring the house. Test him... and test him hard. Yeah... can't wait.

[rick301]

The OL is not that bad - albeit it can be improved. The biggest problem last year was Rex's (molasses hands) taking too long to read the D and react and make good decisions. No matter how good the OL is, you can't hold everyone back forever - especially when they overload a side.

A quick read & release will go a long way to making opposing teams think twice about blitzing or even heavy rushing. RG3 appears to have the tools for a much quicker release. The question is how quickly can he adjust to the speed and different looks he'll see in the NFL.

I'm excited to see him play for B&G. He'll even will be even more fun to watch in 2013 & beyond once he has some NFL experience under his belt.

[riggofan]

The OL is not that bad - albeit it can be improved. The biggest problem last year was Rex's (molasses hands) taking too long to read the D and react and make good decisions. No matter how good the OL is, you can't hold everyone back forever - especially when they overload a side.

Was Rex sacked that much last year? I don't really remember that being his big problem. I was just looking at his stats and he took 25 sacks. There are 21 other QBs who took more sacks than he did.

The funny stat there is that Rex had 25 while Beck had 16 in his three games. Ouch.

I'm in complete agreement with what you guys are saying about the o-line though. No doubt we can and HAVE to keep improving. Really need quality depth in particular. But I think the success guys like Helu and Royster had is a good sign for the line.

[RG3 Fan]

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I think that, by the end of preseason, the Shanahans will be HOPING that teams bring the house. Test him... and test him hard. Yeah... can't wait.

In his final year at Baylor teams that tried to blitz always got burned. It didn't work. I know it wasn't the NFL by any means, but I don't believe he gets any more rattled than seasoned NFL quarterbacks.

[langleyparkjoe]

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I think that, by the end of preseason, the Shanahans will be HOPING that teams bring the house. Test him... and test him hard. Yeah... can't wait.

In his final year at Baylor teams that tried to blitz always got burned. It didn't work. I know it wasn't the NFL by any means, but I don't believe he gets any more rattled than seasoned NFL quarterbacks.

Good point. So who's your team RG3 Fan? If you don't have one, you may as well support us since we'll have your boy here

and welcome to the site.. we love everyone, except smeagles fans, gnats fans, and we despise cow fans (unless their Hindu, in that regard we're ok with cows considering the cow is a sacred animal to them... eh..where's the beef?)

[emoses14]

This has nothing to do with John Gruden, but is about Luck and Griffin (and the other qbs, too). Its an insider piece from ESPN (Trent Dilfer), so the Link to it will do you no good if you don't have insider access (I think).

So the only part us Redskin fans really care about is pasted below:

Ranking top NFL draft QBs
Evaluating the QBs who could be taken in the draft's first two days
Originally Published: April 9, 2012 By Trent Dilfer | ESPN Insider

I study quarterbacks. Literally, that's what I do, pretty much year-round. During the NFL season, I'm addicted to the tape when I'm not in airports. During the draft process, I'll go through footage on prospects reaching back into their high school days. (You can tell a lot about a quarterback's ceiling by looking at the improvements he's already made.) After the draft, I spend time coaching up the next generation of college quarterbacks. The subject is my passion.

The 2012 NFL draft class is loaded with promise at the position. I'm probably more bullish than some of our other analysts, and you'll see that in my breakdowns on each guy. My evaluations will cover a few areas. One, his prospect status -- meaning how good he can be and what the downside, or floor, could be. Second, I'll note his current NFL status, or "readiness". Then I'll give my scouting take, plus the challenges he'll face.

This is the first of two batches. These are guys I think can go in the first three rounds. For the rest, we'll post the night before Rounds 4 through 7.


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Andrew Luck
Andrew Luck
#12 QB
Stanford Cardinal
2011 STATS

Comp 288
Att 404
Yds 3517
TD 37
Int 10
Rat 169.7

Prospect status: Elite ceiling, high floor
NFL status: Immediate starter



Breakdown: Not to pile on, but Luck is simply the best I have ever studied. He's very refined in his approach, and has been exposed to a graduate level offensive system at Stanford. A line-of-scrimmage mastery far beyond his years will allow his NFL offense to be multiple (no limitations) his first year in league. Off-platform accuracy and ball speed will enable him to perform well within a cluttered pocket and amid chaos plays. Luck excelled at P.A.C.E. opportunities (plays after critical errors), going an incredible 17 of 20 with 4 TD passes in games following a pick-six last season. The guy doesn't flinch. Critical situation numbers (third down and red zone) reflect the synergy of his functional football intelligence and physical gifts. He is one of the few college quarterbacks that truly grasps progression passing; his eyes and feet are tied together.



Challenges: The expectations will be tremendous, even as he joins probably the NFL's weakest roster. Luck is improving -- he is not a finished product. The grade reflects his skills, but he is still a rookie, not a refined NFL QB. Given the hype, people will need to maintain perspective.


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Robert Griffin III
Robert Griffin III
#10 QB
Baylor Bears
2011 STATS

Comp 291
Att 402
Yds 4293
TD37
Int 6
Rat 189.5

Prospect status: Elite ceiling, solid floor
NFL status: Immediate starter



Breakdown: A very productive passer and playmaker, RG3 has dynamic arm talent (an ability to mix proper pace, touch, trajectory) and athleticism. His greatest strength isn't his legs, it's his feel and accuracy on the deep pass. His arm allows him to threaten every part of the field. A highly intelligent kid who mastered his offense at Baylor, which shows me he has the tools to master an NFL one. I love that he is comfortable in his own skin -- it'll help him immediately resonate with every part of the locker room. NFL offenses will be able to expand splash play potential immediately because of his physical skills and he'll be able to evolve quickly because of his cognitive skills. His floor isn't a basement because he's so talented. He'll be able to get the most out of situations with both his arm, and his legs.



Challenges: RG3's biggest challenge will be his learning curve in progression passing. The way Baylor's offense worked, he did none of it in college. Lower body mechanics are also something he needs to work on, but the Shanahans actually coach this as well as anybody.

[rick301]

This has nothing to do with John Gruden, but is about Luck and Griffin (and the other qbs, too). Its an insider piece from ESPN (Trent Dilfer), so the Link to it will do you no good if you don't have insider access (I think).

So the only part us Redskin fans really care about is pasted below:

Ranking top NFL draft QBs
Evaluating the QBs who could be taken in the draft's first two days
Originally Published: April 9, 2012 By Trent Dilfer | ESPN Insider

I study quarterbacks. Literally, that's what I do, pretty much year-round. During the NFL season, I'm addicted to the tape when I'm not in airports. During the draft process, I'll go through footage on prospects reaching back into their high school days. (You can tell a lot about a quarterback's ceiling by looking at the improvements he's already made.) After the draft, I spend time coaching up the next generation of college quarterbacks. The subject is my passion.

The 2012 NFL draft class is loaded with promise at the position. I'm probably more bullish than some of our other analysts, and you'll see that in my breakdowns on each guy. My evaluations will cover a few areas. One, his prospect status -- meaning how good he can be and what the downside, or floor, could be. Second, I'll note his current NFL status, or "readiness". Then I'll give my scouting take, plus the challenges he'll face.

This is the first of two batches. These are guys I think can go in the first three rounds. For the rest, we'll post the night before Rounds 4 through 7.


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Andrew Luck
Andrew Luck
#12 QB
Stanford Cardinal
2011 STATS

Comp 288
Att 404
Yds 3517
TD 37
Int 10
Rat 169.7

Prospect status: Elite ceiling, high floor
NFL status: Immediate starter



Breakdown: Not to pile on, but Luck is simply the best I have ever studied. He's very refined in his approach, and has been exposed to a graduate level offensive system at Stanford. A line-of-scrimmage mastery far beyond his years will allow his NFL offense to be multiple (no limitations) his first year in league. Off-platform accuracy and ball speed will enable him to perform well within a cluttered pocket and amid chaos plays. Luck excelled at P.A.C.E. opportunities (plays after critical errors), going an incredible 17 of 20 with 4 TD passes in games following a pick-six last season. The guy doesn't flinch. Critical situation numbers (third down and red zone) reflect the synergy of his functional football intelligence and physical gifts. He is one of the few college quarterbacks that truly grasps progression passing; his eyes and feet are tied together.



Challenges: The expectations will be tremendous, even as he joins probably the NFL's weakest roster. Luck is improving -- he is not a finished product. The grade reflects his skills, but he is still a rookie, not a refined NFL QB. Given the hype, people will need to maintain perspective.


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Robert Griffin III
Robert Griffin III
#10 QB
Baylor Bears
2011 STATS

Comp 291
Att 402
Yds 4293
TD37
Int 6
Rat 189.5

Prospect status: Elite ceiling, solid floor
NFL status: Immediate starter



Breakdown: A very productive passer and playmaker, RG3 has dynamic arm talent (an ability to mix proper pace, touch, trajectory) and athleticism. His greatest strength isn't his legs, it's his feel and accuracy on the deep pass. His arm allows him to threaten every part of the field. A highly intelligent kid who mastered his offense at Baylor, which shows me he has the tools to master an NFL one. I love that he is comfortable in his own skin -- it'll help him immediately resonate with every part of the locker room. NFL offenses will be able to expand splash play potential immediately because of his physical skills and he'll be able to evolve quickly because of his cognitive skills. His floor isn't a basement because he's so talented. He'll be able to get the most out of situations with both his arm, and his legs.



Challenges: RG3's biggest challenge will be his learning curve in progression passing. The way Baylor's offense worked, he did none of it in college. Lower body mechanics are also something he needs to work on, but the Shanahans actually coach this as well as anybody.

+1

This was a great move by the FO to #2. Doesn't seem like we can lose with either Luck or RG3. Luck seems to be a carbon copy of Payton and maybe better - so I don't see them picking anyone else. That means we'll get RG3. According to Dilfer RG3 has some areas to work on (more so than Luck). Once he works on those areas, I think he'll be more dangerous than Luck.

I can't wait for a Skins - Colts Superbowl!

[Deadskins]

I can't wait for a Skins - Colts Superbowl!

That could be a looooooooooooooong wait.

[tribeofjudah]

Luck is one smart dude...Football smart. I was impressed.
I didn't see RGII.......

I'll be happy with either ONE...!!!

[rskin72]

Thanks for posting that insider review from ESPN. I don't care about the opinion of many of the ESPN "experts"....many tend to think that their Opinion is like gold. But, I like Dilfer, and Jaws....and a couple of others especially when it comes to reviewing QB play.

That review just reinforces the thought that our FO did an excellent job in moving up in the draft for one of the opportunity to take one of these QB's....