The NFL Sends Confusing Messages in Salary Cap Penalties

5OClockClub · Post by **5OClockClub** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:23 am

All I have to say is .....

"Someone in NFL FO done bumped their heads"

:roll:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:00 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:
bigricky wrote:The league basically told the union either you allow us to punish these teams or we will severely punish everybody in return.

That just shows how STUPID the NFLPA is!

They didn't gain any extra money. The NFL took $46M of cap space from teams that would probably spend it and gave it to 28 teams. More than half of those teams probably won't spend it!

So the NFLPA cost their players $20-30M. What retards!

Even dumber then that is they just told the owners they'll help them intimidate teams into not spending even when it's within the collective bargaining agreement. And if you're the players, aren't Snyder and Jones your favorite owners? With friends like that...

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:09 am

For all our new members.. welcome.. and if you TRULY would like to vent about this, please visit my section.. oops I mean the Smack Section.

:lol:

Thanks and have a Merry Skins Day!

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:15 am

This will force the Devil and The Danny to form an awful partnership and become the leagues new Al Davis.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:26 am

cleg wrote:This will force the Devil and The Danny to form an awful partnership and become the leagues new Al Davis.

Redskin/Cowboy Alliance? :shock:

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:49 am

5OClockClub wrote:All I have to say is .....

"Someone in NFL FO done bumped their heads"

I'll do more than bump their freaking heads if I get the chance, the stupid bunch of merchant-bankers!

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:17 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:
cleg wrote:This will force the Devil and The Danny to form an awful partnership and become the leagues new Al Davis.

Redskin/Cowboy Alliance?

*owners... Not the teams... You know like papa johns commercials! Lmfao

SeanInColumbus · Post by **SeanInColumbus** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:25 am

17.4 of cap space:

@Russellmania980: As @ESPNRadio980 has learned, #Redskins will have right about 17.4 M in cap room, after taking 18.4 M hit TODAY w/NFLPA

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:31 am

This is damn near Communism. WTF is Goodell doing?

Lawyer up and fight this. It's audacious to be this flagrantly criminal..

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:37 am

The Hogster wrote:WTF is Goodell doing?

The same thing he's always done and that's whatever-the-blank-he-wants. He's done it since day one and I've hated it and spoken out against. But 8/10 people loved his way of doing things when they weren't in his targets. You know, when he's targeting all the "thugs" in the league. He's position as both judge and jury is great in those situations but now that he's got the SKins in his sights, everyone is up in arms. LOLOL

And I don't really feel sorry for the players anymore about him, cus they had their chance to neuter him a bit with the new CBA. They choose not to. #shrug

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:44 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
The Hogster wrote:WTF is Goodell doing?

The same thing he's always done and that's whatever-the-blank-he-wants. He's done it since day one and I've hated it and spoken out against. But 8/10 people loved his way of doing things when they weren't in his targets. You know, when he's targeting all the "thugs" in the league. He's position as both judge and jury is great in those situations but now that he's got the SKins in his sights, everyone is up in arms. LOLOL

And I don't really feel sorry for the players anymore about him, cus they had their chance to neuter him a bit with the new CBA. They choose not to. #shrug

This guy is really feeling himself right now. He thinks the NFL is above the law. Just because the NFL teams collectively bargain doesn't mean antitrust lawsuits can't be brought against them. He needs a serious reality check, and I hope this brings that about.

The teams didn't violate the CBA. Goodell signed off on the deals. And, now he's punishing them for not doing what he wanted them to do (which is collude with the other owners to suppress spending during the Un Capped year) SMH

This is probably the most blatant middle finger to the law I've ever seen in pro sports.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:53 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:For all our new members.. welcome.. and if you TRULY would like to vent about this, please visit my section.. oops I mean the Smack Section.

Thanks and have a Merry Skins Day!

Your section?

Right now I'd say Hogster is running smack.

elprez19 · Post by **elprez19** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:02 pm

This is probably why we havent signed our MLB yet. If fletcher signs, thats even less we are going to have against the cap plus our draft. This is bs, we just got punked out of FA and probably gonna have to end up going after second tier free agents now. I hope we can at least shore up our offensive line and get VJ

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:07 pm

UPDATE II: Per PFT, the Cowboys and Redskins must take at least half of their cap reductions in 2012, meaning at least $18 million for Washington and a minimum of $5 million for Dallas.

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UPDATE: The Redskins released a statement Monday evening indicating they had done nothing wrong while hinting they planned to move forward into free agency as if all was normal.

DarthMonk

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:08 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:For all our new members.. welcome.. and if you TRULY would like to vent about this, please visit my section.. oops I mean the Smack Section.

Thanks and have a Merry Skins Day!

Your section?

Right now I'd say Hogster is running smack.

ANYBODY who posts in Smack is doing so with my full endorsement. Anytime I wana buckup someone, they may as well just delete their account cause it isn't pretty. :lol:

Bout Hogster runs smack.. HA! .. but he is the Pic Posting Champion of THN, HANDS DOWN! :lol:

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:14 pm

Wow, Chris just nailed it. Dan Graziano just posted a pretty scathing article in complete agreement:

Cap Controversy Shows NFL at its Worst
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... -its-worst

The NFL should be embarrassed by this whole situation, but it isn’t, and won’t be. It never is. It does what it wants to do when it wants to do it, and it finds a way to excuse it after the fact. It is the epitome of modern corporate greed and arrogance. The big-money ends always justify the means, and we’re all complicit, continuing to feed the beast because it entertains us.

You may not care about this issue if you’re not a fan of the Cowboys or the Redskins. But if you think the league wouldn’t do the same kind of thing to your team, legal or not, fair or not, and find a way to get away with it as long as it suited its purposes, you’re kidding yourself. The NFL doesn’t care about you. It cares about itself. It cares about getting its way, no matter what. Sooner or later, fans of every team will find this out.

The whole article is good.

I'm just sick about this whole thing today. This was such a sucker punch from the league for Redskins fans.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:26 pm

riggofan wrote:Wow, Chris just nailed it. Dan Graziano just posted a pretty scathing article in complete agreement:

Cap Controversy Shows NFL at its Worst
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... -its-worst
The NFL should be embarrassed by this whole situation, but it isn’t, and won’t be. It never is. It does what it wants to do when it wants to do it, and it finds a way to excuse it after the fact. It is the epitome of modern corporate greed and arrogance. The big-money ends always justify the means, and we’re all complicit, continuing to feed the beast because it entertains us.

You may not care about this issue if you’re not a fan of the Cowboys or the Redskins. But if you think the league wouldn’t do the same kind of thing to your team, legal or not, fair or not, and find a way to get away with it as long as it suited its purposes, you’re kidding yourself. The NFL doesn’t care about you. It cares about itself. It cares about getting its way, no matter what. Sooner or later, fans of every team will find this out.

The whole article is good.

I'm just sick about this whole thing today. This was such a sucker punch from the league for Redskins fans.

I often roll my eyes when folks talk about a governing body having it out for one of its members (I do find a governing body playing favorites to be much more easily identified), but this is the first clear cut example I've ever seen. As I said before, to borrow a lazy concept, this is nothing pure hating from the other owners on the skins and boys.

Where is the penalty for the Jags and Bucs who underspent the salary floor thus leading to unfair competitive advantage.

This is unbelievable. If there was ever an actually appropriate time to call someone a dictator, this is it. Everyone should be up in arms over this. But wait, Free Agency. . .WHEEEEEE!!!!
Sickening.

patjam77 · Post by **patjam77** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:28 pm

I just saw a segment on ESPN where the guy pretty much said anti-trust lawyers would have a field day. LAWYER UP ALREADY!!!

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:36 pm

patjam77 wrote:I just saw a segment on ESPN where the guy pretty much said anti-trust lawyers would have a field day. LAWYER UP ALREADY!!!

I would think so too. If you read Graziano's article though, it seems like the NFL has done everything possible to protect themselves legally from that.

The crazy part is that if anybody did anything wrong or illegal it was clearly THE NFL. This is some 1984/Big Brother crap.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:50 pm

People talk about socialism. This is it. The unfair redistribution of wealth. This isn't like Taxes, where you know the rules and play within them (or legally get around them when you can)

This is taking money from two teams who did nothing illegal or against the rules, and spreading it across the rest of the league.

I wonder where Joe the Plumber is on this. How about O'Reiley or Limbaugh. This is terrible.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:56 pm

My biggest concern is before the uncapped year, the Redskins structured their contracts for this uncapped year. The NFL approved it. When the Redskins released players that were not playing up to their pay level, they did it in a year where a cap was not there.

How is the Oakland Raiders not in violation of this when they dumped Jamarcus Russell? Makes no sense. And to add to this though - didn't the Redskins trade Albert Haynesworth during the uncapped year not because he wasn't productive but because he was a distraction to the team, was not a team player and had a team willing to take the player on - see the Patriots. Oh wait, the Patriots cut him. This is BS!!!!

And let me point out a team like Carolina who didn't spend hardly any money. How are they not somehow in trouble as well.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:10 pm

Frankcal its my understanding Oakland is being "punished" along with New Orleans... They dont have to pay of course they just don't get the ~1.8 million everyone else does minus us and dullass of course.
I don't see why we are paying nearly 40 million for "infractions" multiple other teams made aswell with the only other team that has to pay, is 1/4 of what we are.
Fat al was traded AND we still payed him right? Is there no protection for teams against players that get paid and then jus flat out give up? Literally lay on the field and nap?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:11 pm

It's BS. That's why everyone I've seen out there say that it's messed up. Haven't heard anyone say - "It makes sense."

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:15 pm

frankcal20 wrote:My biggest concern is before the uncapped year, the Redskins structured their contracts for this uncapped year. The NFL approved it. When the Redskins released players that were not playing up to their pay level, they did it in a year where a cap was not there.

How is the Oakland Raiders not in violation of this when they dumped Jamarcus Russell? Makes no sense. And to add to this though - didn't the Redskins trade Albert Haynesworth during the uncapped year not because he wasn't productive but because he was a distraction to the team, was not a team player and had a team willing to take the player on - see the Patriots. Oh wait, the Patriots cut him. This is BS!!!!

And let me point out a team like Carolina who didn't spend hardly any money. How are they not somehow in trouble as well.

Actually the Raiders were implicated in this, but to a lesser extent. The Raiders simply will not get the 1.6M in additional space from the money stolen from the Cowboys and Redskins. The Saints won't either.

This is just a thinly veiled attempt by the NFL to bump up the Salary Cap this year. There was talk that the cap would not increase at all or might even go down. So, they found a way to pillage two teams with rich owners in Communistic fashion to appease these other teams. It's really quite embarassing.

The NFL is a notoriously capitalistic, conservative sport with a fanbase that is largely the same. Goodell is from a political family with ties to the GOP. This is the most communistic interference with the free market I have ever seen. How he even lives with this is beyond me. Telling teams how they can spend their money when they are following the rules?? How do you justify that. Taking money from teams that followed those rules but didn't do what you wanted them to do?? How do you justify that?

As much as the Redskins have endured cap wise, to do this once we've finally healed from a crisis is downright wrong. If you want to fine Snyder? Fine. Do it. He can finance that. But, to penalize the TEAM, the players, the FANS by hitting the cap?? You're basically saying, we are going to make your TEAM suffer for business reasons. Unprecedented.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:20 pm

frankcal20 wrote:It's BS. That's why everyone I've seen out there say that it's messed up. Haven't heard anyone say - "It makes sense."

The ONLY person who thinks this makes sense is the chairman of the NFL Management Council who just so happens to also be the owner of the Giants, who play in the same division as the two teams hit by this--Cowboys & Giants.

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