I want the Colts to pick ...

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:59 pm

... Luck or RGIII?

DarthMonk

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:31 pm

Luck... the better quarterback out of the box... but long term for the Redskins, Shanahan can open a larger variety of plays involving quarterback movement, and, therefore, much more dynamic offensive play with RGIII under center. A pass first quarterback who moves laterally will give defensive backs fits... extending plays, and giving receivers more time to gain separation, effectively improving THEIR play... making them appear better than they are. Put one or two elite receivers back there, and you have opportunities for a tremendous vertical offense.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:41 pm

While Luck may be more NFL ready from day one, I think RG3 is poised to win more games with his gamebreaking ability.

Luck is athletic, but people fail to realize what a guy like RG does to a Defensive Coordinator. You essentially have to spy him--if you don't, he's going around the corner at 4.3 for first down after first down. If you do, then you open up the box for cutback lanes, and receivers for playaction.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:59 pm

Countertrey wrote:Luck... the better quarterback out of the box... but long term for the Redskins, Shanahan can open a larger variety of plays involving quarterback movement, and, therefore, much more dynamic offensive play with RGIII under center. A pass first quarterback who moves laterally will give defensive backs fits... extending plays, and giving receivers more time to gain separation, effectively improving THEIR play... making them appear better than they are. Put one or two elite receivers back there, and you have opportunities for a tremendous vertical offense.

I agree. Great analysis.

PickSixerTWSS · Post by **PickSixerTWSS** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:25 pm

I'd rather have RG3.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:53 pm

luck

rg3 is da next vick

thats what we need

go skins

superbowl bound baby

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:55 pm

Luck

I believe that RGIII the better fit for the Shanny O. The deep ball is back!

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:08 pm

..........my left butt cheek

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:54 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:luck

rg3 is da next vick

thats what we need

go skins

superbowl bound baby

RG3 is no Vick... Griffin actually understands football. Apparently, when the Redskins interviewed him, they were blown away by his ability to break down their offense.

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:32 am

tribeofjudah wrote:..........my left butt cheek

Really? What's up with the right cheek..???

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:06 am

Personally, I'd prefer Luck by a small margin. So I guess I would say I hope the Colts take RGIII.

But that won't even be on my mind on draft day. If the Colts don't take Luck I will be stunned.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:18 am

Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols

However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.

Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.

Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.

All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.

SouthLondonRedskin · Post by **SouthLondonRedskin** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:35 am

Countertrey wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:luck

rg3 is da next vick

thats what we need

go skins

superbowl bound baby

RG3 is no Vick... Griffin actually understands football. Apparently, when the Redskins interviewed him, they were blown away by his ability to break down their offense.

EVERYTHING I hear about this guy just makes it all the sweeter.

As an athlete and a QB he's got it all, and his upbringing pretty much guarantess a clean-living, lead by example, not afraid to lead and set examples, team first, inspirational guy.

Our image is set for a long overdue upgrade, the joke is over, we're gonna be a force, a long-term force, with players to respect and look up to.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:27 am

At this point, after doing further research on RG3, I prefer him to Luck. Not that I believe Luck will not be a great QB. But, I think the added dimension that Griffin adds is what we need here. Mike has never had a guy this athletic. And, this city needs some excitement.

The tailgates will be jumping. The stadium will be electric knowing that we have a guy who can go the distance on any given play.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:41 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols

However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.

Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.

Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.

All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.

You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.

He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.

Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:31 am

Countertrey wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols

However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.

Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.

Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.

All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.

You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.

He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.

Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.

That's what I like to hear...

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:13 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols

However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.

Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.

Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.

All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.

You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.

He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.

Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.

We keep trying. 'Trey.

DarthMonk

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:59 pm

I agree with you trey - The Colts should take Luck - we will get a future great QB with RG3

still amusing that some here think RG3 is a QB that offers a lot more in the form of a running game than he has shown so far in college

If RG3 had run more in college he would have carved it up - he will not be doing a lot of running in the NFL

this kid is going to blow a lot of fans away with his ability to play in the pocket and VERY occasionally run

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm

Countertrey wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols

However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.

Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.

Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.

All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.

You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.

He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.

Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.

Remember this Trey?

DarthMonk wrote:
RayNAustin wrote:Here's my main point of all this rambling I've done. Generally, if you look at the overall stats for success rate of number 1 pick QBs ... about half of them turn out good to great. The other half average to total busts. That 50% success rate is one of the age old mysteries and risks in securing a franchise QB. It's absolutely a gamble, if it were easy, EVERYONE would have an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.

Once in a while, guys come along like Manning, and Rivers that SCREAM "I'm the man" ! That's Luck ... and my opinion is, he's probably an 80-90% type, rather than the standard 50/50 coin flip. To elaborate ... I wouldn't trade any picks for Barkley or RGIII ... both have potential to become good QBs in the NFL if you give them a couple of years of grooming ... but their potential to become Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers types I don't think is anywhere close to Andrew Luck, and therefore, I might use my #1 pick on Barkley (but he's not coming out), but I wouldn't trade up to get him.

So far so good.

RayNAustin wrote:And I flat out wouldn't draft RGIII at all. RGIII is a great athlete, and an excellent college QB. But he's a runner, that is too prone to bail out, and running QBs don't have much history of success in the NFL. He's a Michael Vick impersonator without Vick's ability, and is too slightly built to take the pounding Vick takes. He's not a franchise QB, and neither is Jones.

We differ here. RGIII looks to move to throw. He's not Aaron Rodgers but he looks down field while moving like Rodgers does and seeks to throw first like Rodgers does for sure. He is a QB who can run - not a runner who can throw. He is not prone to bail out the way Vick and many others do.

Vick himself can't take the pounding Vick does. He (Vick) runs too much. RGIII is 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier and looks to pass first. RGIII is same height and weight as Rodgers. How about Vick is an RGIII impersanator without RGIII's size???!!!

Vick takes off and runs on 23% of his drops.

Rodgers does this on 11% of his.

RGIII does so on 30% of his in college.

Vick did so on 40% of his college drops.

I'd expect RGIII's running rate to halve like Vick's did. It better!

RayNAustin wrote:But even if Barkley and RGIII were coming out, Luck is still the only legitimate franchise level QB of the bunch ... the rest of those guys are potentially good QBs, but not likely great QBs, which is why I think we should break the bank for Luck.

Is it a risk? All draft picks are risks. You just measure how big the risk is. And with Luck, the risk is as minimal as has been the case since Manning or Rivers were drafted.

The rest here is mostly opinion and is quite defendable.

DarthMonk

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:02 pm

There's a lot of people who have turned around their view after seeing what we had alreay known as something special in rgiii.

That's how I.know sj isn't MS... Could be KS tho lol.. he was against it ademently but is now on board. No biggie jus had a taste of the koolaid we were already spilln

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:35 am

We can't go wrong with either, but I think that Luck is ahead of RGIII at this point and has a chance to be an Elway or Manning-like success, so I hope the Colts take RGIII and leave us with Luck. But I'll be thrilled with whichever one we get.