frankcal20 wrote:Garcon will be a high paid WR. Manningham would be worth a look.
Why on Earth would Garcon be a high paid WR? He's no better the Gaffney. The only advantage he had over Gaffney is age!
Manningham is just another receiver with a lot of talent that underachievers and runs poor routes.
We heave plenty of Garcons and Manninfhams on our roster.
Only age? How about speed and big play ability? We didn't have a single td pass over 20 yards last season, and Garcon alone had two tds that went for 87 yards. He already turned down 5 years and $35 million from the Colts. He's going to get paid.
So Garcon had two big plays. Whoopdy freaking do! His y/c last year was nothing special. He had a 13.5 y/c last year and has a 13.4 y/c fire his career.
Yes, he is younger than Gaffney, but his last three years are almost identicle to Gaffney's! If someone gives him a contract that is better than an average contract for a WR then they are absolute fools. Garcon is not a special receiver and never will be.
If that 5y/35M contact offer was a real contact offer (meaning he would see and decent portion of that 35M) then Garcon was a fool not to take it. He won't make 35M from another team.
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Everyone in the NFL disagrees with you. Also, you have to consider who his QB was. You think Rex was bad? You must not have watched any of the Indy games. I don't say this honestly but I really do think Alabama would have beaten them. They were awful. Nick Saban's defense would have eaten them up. I don't even remember their QBs name but he might be up there as one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history.
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Those numbers aren't very useful without total catches or more importantly ypc. I'd guess Vjax may be similar in total yards but w less catches and less passes thrown to. Could be wrong jus a guess
You're right on VJ. He has a much higher y/c than any of the other unrestricted FA. Colston and Garcon are 13 to 14 y/c type guys (same for Moss) while VJ is a 18 y/c guy.
VJ Will never give you 80-90 catches/season but he will give you a tuon of big plays (providing you have a QB to get him the ball).
That's a fair point, and one of the reasons I would love to see him paired up with Santana.
frankcal20 wrote:Isn't it funny how much weight we put in unproven players that haven't played a down in the NFL vs guys who are proven talent. And my answer is YES but we have to figure out what we're going to do at the QB position first and foremost.
We should be taking proven mediocrity over unproven potential? I'm not seeing it....
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frankcal20 wrote:Isn't it funny how much weight we put in unproven players that haven't played a down in the NFL vs guys who are proven talent. And my answer is YES but we have to figure out what we're going to do at the QB position first and foremost.
We should be taking proven mediocrity over unproven potential? I'm not seeing it....
Plus the whole "proven" thing is just as dicey as taking an unproven draftee. Haynesworth? Brandon Lloyd? Archuleta? Deion??
Redskins fans more than any others should know better.
frankcal20 wrote:Everyone in the NFL disagrees with you. Also, you have to consider who his QB was. You think Rex was bad? You must not have watched any of the Indy games. I don't say this honestly but I really do think Alabama would have beaten them. They were awful. Nick Saban's defense would have eaten them up. I don't even remember their QBs name but he might be up there as one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history.
So you've talked to everyone in the NFL? Or have heard all of them way in on Garcon, becuase I haven't. I've only heard the guys on the NFL network say he would be a good bang for the buck, because he was young and wouldn't cost that much.
I'm just going by his production! With Peyton Freaking Manning throwing him the ball his stats were almost identical to Jabar Gaffney's with Kyle "the QB everyone is always trying to replace" Orton throwing him the ball. I'm not just looking at last year, where the Colts and the Skins had comparable QB situations?
He is just not that big of an improvement, if any, over the WRs we have.
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frankcal20 wrote:Everyone in the NFL disagrees with you. Also, you have to consider who his QB was. You think Rex was bad? You must not have watched any of the Indy games. I don't say this honestly but I really do think Alabama would have beaten them. They were awful. Nick Saban's defense would have eaten them up. I don't even remember their QBs name but he might be up there as one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history.
This is what the Sporting News said about him:
"11. Pierre Garcon, Indianapolis Colts. Garcon also offers some speed to stretch the field. Although he was a starter opposite Wayne in Indianapolis, he may have more appeal in the open market as a No. 3 who boosts an established spread offense."
Below Mario "how do you run that route" Manningham and just above Robert Meachem.
I didn't cherry pick this. it was the first one that came up when I googled 2012NFL FA WR.
I couldn't find a single article that has Garcon as anything but an OK fast WR that is available. I didn't find any that had him in the top ten FA WR available.
Face it Frank, it doesn't happen much, but you're wrong in this case.
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frankcal20 wrote:Garcon will be a high paid WR. Manningham would be worth a look.
Why on Earth would Garcon be a high paid WR? He's no better the Gaffney. The only advantage he had over Gaffney is age!
Manningham is just another receiver with a lot of talent that underachievers and runs poor routes.
We heave plenty of Garcons and Manninfhams on our roster.
Only age? How about speed and big play ability? We didn't have a single td pass over 20 yards last season, and Garcon alone had two tds that went for 87 yards. He already turned down 5 years and $35 million from the Colts. He's going to get paid.
So Garcon had two big plays. Whoopdy freaking do! His y/c last year was nothing special. He had a 13.5 y/c last year and has a 13.4 y/c fire his career.
Yes, he is younger than Gaffney, but his last three years are almost identicle to Gaffney's! If someone gives him a contract that is better than an average contract for a WR then they are absolute fools. Garcon is not a special receiver and never will be.
If that 5y/35M contact offer was a real contact offer (meaning he would see and decent portion of that 35M) then Garcon was a fool not to take it. He won't make 35M from another team.
Gaffney and Garçon are different players, so just looking at their stats is pointless. We need a deep threat, and Gaffney doesn't fit the bill. Garçon runs a 4.4 40 and would give us a deep threat to complement Moss and Hankerson. I'm not saying we pay him #1 receiver money, but we are going to need a deep threat and if we can't get Jackson we're going to have to look elsewhere for that.
frankcal20 wrote:Isn't it funny how much weight we put in unproven players that haven't played a down in the NFL vs guys who are proven talent. And my answer is YES but we have to figure out what we're going to do at the QB position first and foremost.
Maybe, but you're talking about the QB spot vs. a WR. It's totally apples and oranges.
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frankcal20 wrote:Garcon will be a high paid WR. Manningham would be worth a look.
Why on Earth would Garcon be a high paid WR? He's no better the Gaffney. The only advantage he had over Gaffney is age!
Manningham is just another receiver with a lot of talent that underachievers and runs poor routes.
We heave plenty of Garcons and Manninfhams on our roster.
Only age? How about speed and big play ability? We didn't have a single td pass over 20 yards last season, and Garcon alone had two tds that went for 87 yards. He already turned down 5 years and $35 million from the Colts. He's going to get paid.
So Garcon had two big plays. Whoopdy freaking do! His y/c last year was nothing special. He had a 13.5 y/c last year and has a 13.4 y/c fire his career.
Yes, he is younger than Gaffney, but his last three years are almost identicle to Gaffney's! If someone gives him a contract that is better than an average contract for a WR then they are absolute fools. Garcon is not a special receiver and never will be.
If that 5y/35M contact offer was a real contact offer (meaning he would see and decent portion of that 35M) then Garcon was a fool not to take it. He won't make 35M from another team.
Gaffney and Garçon are different players, so just looking at their stats is pointless. We need a deep threat, and Gaffney doesn't fit the bill. Garçon runs a 4.4 40 and would give us a deep threat to complement Moss and Hankerson. I'm not saying we pay him #1 receiver money, but we are going to need a deep threat and if we can't get Jackson we're going to have to look elsewhere for that.
So what tire you're saying is Garcon has the ability to be a deep threat, but hasn't produced like one and we would be hoping and praying that he could produce like one because so far he hasn't. Sure he has had a couple pods big plays but so did AAA last year and the year before. I'm not saying AAA is as good as Garcon, but he has proven to be more of a deep threat than Garcon has.
I don't want the Skins signing a WR that is a #3 or #2 WR at best.
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I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
fresh1120 wrote:I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
fresh1120 wrote:I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
In my view we need a stud WR; not depth.
Agreed! Bring in a true #1 guy. Royal is not a #1 or Garcon for that matter.
fresh1120 wrote:I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
In my view we need a stud WR; not depth.
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fresh1120 wrote:I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
In my view we need a stud WR; not depth.
The number of stud WR are very limited in FA this year. The only guy I would call a stud would cost us a first round pick. Wallace room be signed by the Pats, Ravens, our some other team with a low first round pick, maybe even the Browns.
Vincent Jackson and Colston might be called studs by others, but I wouldn't. Bowe will be franchise tagged so he isn't an option.
The WR market is extremely thin when it come to stud WR and there are only two guys that can pose as studs.
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Vincent Jackson is the prize. I worry about Colston's injury history and Garcon's lack of success without Peyton. I would still def take Colston though, better than what we got.
fresh1120 wrote:I'm surprised that we havent really been talking about eddie royal from the broncos. Two years ago he was a very productive wide reciever, that is until Tebow got to the helm. He is young and he is a great return man. Not to mention that he grew up in Northern Virginia. I think bringing in a guy like that would go a long way to helping us provide some depth to our WR
Signing Royal is almost a given, if the asking price is in the right area...
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Kevin Acee of the Union-Tribune San Diego takes it a step further in a Sunday night report, confirming Chicago and Washington are expected to be Jackson’s two most aggressive pursuers and that the Redskins “will do almost whatever it takes” to land this year’s top free agent wideout.
The Redskins played it conservatively in 2011 free agency, saving cap space and gearing up for a monster run in 2012. They’ve got their franchise quarterback, and are now intent on surrounding him with an improved supporting cast.
Don’t forget that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan has been a “big fan” of Jackson’s dating all the way back to the 2005 draft. Shanahan was “not happy” when the then-division rival Chargers drafted Jackson five spots after Shanahan’s Broncos selected the late Darrent Williams.
Just like we needed a QB this year. We need to get a receiver of Jackson's caliber this year!
Rumor has it (meaning I'll try to find the link where I read it) many NFL GMs don't see Colston as a true #1 WR. They see him more as a possession WR and feel his numbers are inflated due to the NO fast break offense.
Personally I would be good with him if we can't get VJ. I certainly don't want Garcon; we have enough #2/#3 type WRs.
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I'm a little worried when I hear this stuff about the Redskins "breaking the bank" for VJ. That kind of talk gives me flashbacks to Fat Albert.
We definitely need a WR like Jackson, but I don't think we're in a position that we need to be breaking the bank on any one player, especially a WR. I would MUCH rather see them break the bank on the best offensive linemen available and protect our franchise QB. Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, whatever. Give the kid the best chance to stay on his feet this season.
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... the WR would be a nice option too 
