Skins are front runner for RGIII

[tribeofjudah]

What say you....

Report: Redskins, Fins, Seahawks in on RGIII Citing league sources, Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com reports "at least" three teams, including the Redskins, Dolphins, and Seahawks, are "strongly considering" a blockbuster trade with the Rams to draft Robert Griffin III at No. 2 overall.
Team sources also tell Freeman that the Browns have interest in trading up, "though not as much as the other teams." While the Dolphins are interested "despite their Matt Flynn infatuation," the Redskins "remain the front-runners." Team officials label the Seahawks the "sleeper team" hindered by the prohibitive cost of trading up from twelfth to second. The three teams reportedly view RGIII as a "close facsimile" to Andrew Luck in terms of NFL potential.

[gay4pacman]

i say do it. people always say "don't mortgage the future" and move up but rgIII IS the future. lets do what it takes to get this kid and forget the rest.

[DarthMonk]

You know what say I.



DarthMonk

What say you....

Report: Redskins, Fins, Seahawks in on RGIII Citing league sources, Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com reports "at least" three teams, including the Redskins, Dolphins, and Seahawks, are "strongly considering" a blockbuster trade with the Rams to draft Robert Griffin III at No. 2 overall.
Team sources also tell Freeman that the Browns have interest in trading up, "though not as much as the other teams." While the Dolphins are interested "despite their Matt Flynn infatuation," the Redskins "remain the front-runners." Team officials label the Seahawks the "sleeper team" hindered by the prohibitive cost of trading up from twelfth to second. The three teams reportedly view RGIII as a "close facsimile" to Andrew Luck in terms of NFL potential.

[tribeofjudah]

From Bleacher Report:

If sources are correct, the Washington Redskins really, really want Robert Griffin III. And while, at first glance, the full bounty of draft picks they reportedly are willing to offer seems absurd, it might be exactly what the Redskins need to offer in order to obtain a much-needed playmaker for their offense.

First the rumor, from Howard Eskin:

Howard Eskin ✔@howardeskin I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2
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On first glance, that seems absurd—that's a huge price to pay to obtain one player.

But Griffin is special, and the Redskins desperately need a player of his ability on the offensive side of the ball.

And this is probably what it will take from where the Redskins stand, especially considering the Cleveland Browns could offer the St. Louis Rams two-first round picks this year, the fourth and 22nd picks.

If I'm the Rams, I would say to Washington, "Do better than Cleveland." Let's take a look at the NFL draft value chart to see how this plays out:

The Rams' second overall pick is worth 2600 points.

If the Browns only offered their two first-round selections this year, that would be worth 2580 points (they would have to sweeten that pot most likely, given how dynamic RGIII is and the fact that top-five picks are even more valuable since the rookie pay scale was drastically lowered in the new CBA).

The Redskins' first-, second- and third-round picks (sixth, 39th, 70th) are worth 2350 points. Depending on how they finish in 2012, their offer could be worth anything from 2940 to 5350 points. In essence, the worse they are next year, the worse this deal is for Washington.




Let's assume they are right in the middle of the pack and have the 16th pick in the first round next year. That would make the total value of this deal 3530 points. Yes, they are overpaying, but if RGIII becomes a legitimate franchise quarterback, isn't he worth the cost?

I, for one, say he is. It's a gamble at this cost, but with other teams likely to clamor for Griffin, it's a gamble that the Redskins should take to acquire the dynamic quarterback.

[Prowl33]

Thing I don't get is, the Rams don't even want him right? So why doesn't everyone try to trade with the Vikings instead, the cost would be less for whatever team wanted to compete for it, and your still going to get your guy.

[tribeofjudah]

Thing I don't get is, the Rams don't even want him right? So why doesn't everyone try to trade with the Vikings instead, the cost would be less for whatever team wanted to compete for it, and your still going to get your guy.

Rams holds the KEY....anyone trading with Rams will get RGIII.... you feel me..??? Another will take him with a Rams trade....game over.

[SkinsJock]

Thing I don't get is, the Rams don't even want him right? So why doesn't everyone try to trade with the Vikings instead, the cost would be less for whatever team wanted to compete for it, and your still going to get your guy.

Please explain this

What the hell does "the Rams don't even want him ... " have to do with this?

are you trying to tell me (or anyone) that the Rams will take the USC LT instead of the Redskins' 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks in this year's draft and their 1st pick in next year's draft

ARE YOU CRAZY?


sometimes I wonder about the intelligence level here

I'm a STUPID Aussie and I can tell you that's absolutely crazy





OK - rant over - just lay it out for us, please explain what you mean't - BECAUSE it cannot be that stupid

[tribeofjudah]

M. Lombardi just made a great point: Fisher and Shanny are pretty good friends....RGIII could be in Skins UNIFORM come summer time.

HAIL YEAH.....!!!

[1niksder]

M. Lombardi just made a great point: Fisher and Shanny are pretty good friends....RGIII could be in Skins UNIFORM come summer time.

HAIL YEAH.....!!!

They're actually very good friends....

That's why I say we keep the 3rd round pick and part with the 4th....
I think Shanny will only give up one future pick. If that's next year's fourth and the deal breaker I'll be pissed.

[RayNAustin]

We're the front runners with a 1,2,3 and next year's 1 ?

That might seem like a steep price, but I tell you, I think that would be a steal.

We've pissed away so many 2nd and 3rd round picks, that I can't even keep track anymore .... so nailing down a franchise QB that is a young, grossly talented, and exceptionally sharp, solid character guy like this is worth 4 1's, so I'm praying it will be 1,2,3 and 1.

I wasn't on board initially with RG3, because I really hadn't seen much of him, nor any interviews. But now that I have, I'm sold 100% ... this guy is a can't miss ... he's too driven, too talented physically, and too sharp mentally to fail.

A QB with 4.38 speed? Smart, accurate passer ? Are you kidding me? 10 years from now Redskin fans will still be thankful for the day that we gave up 4 picks.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

We're the front runners with a 1,2,3 and next year's 1 ?

That might seem like a steep price, but I tell you, I think that would be a steal.

We've pissed away so many 2nd and 3rd round picks, that I can't even keep track anymore .... so nailing down a franchise QB that is a young, grossly talented, and exceptionally sharp, solid character guy like this is worth 4 1's, so I'm praying it will be 1,2,3 and 1.

I wasn't on board initially with RG3, because I really hadn't seen much of him, nor any interviews. But now that I have, I'm sold 100% ... this guy is a can't miss ... he's too driven, too talented physically, and too sharp mentally to fail.

A QB with 4.38 speed? Smart, accurate passer ? Are you kidding me? 10 years from now Redskin fans will still be thankful for the day that we gave up 4 picks.

Amen to that!

It'll be like having our very own Brees, Brady or Rodgers. People will start to take us seriously again. We'll be young and talented, hungry and driven.

If we're not careful we may even start winning again... Scary stuff!!!

[die cowboys die]

instead of thinking of them as picks, i try to think of them as players. let's say we make 4 incredible picks and they are the 4 best players on our team. would i give up the 4 best players on my team for a potential star QB? yes. QB is that important. and even if they're good picks it's not likely they'll all be stars or tremendous players anyway.

[PulpExposure]

As pointed out in the other RG3 thread, the rumored price the Redskins are willing to pay comes from Howrd Eskin, who is an Eagles beat reporter. With no ties to DC. The same guy who two weeks ago said Peyton Manning is coming to DC.

Not the most credible DC insider.

[SkinsJock]

As pointed out in the other RG3 thread, the rumored price the Redskins are willing to pay comes from Howrd Eskin, who is an Eagles beat reporter. With no ties to DC. The same guy who two weeks ago said Peyton Manning is coming to DC.

Not the most credible DC insider.

That's a fair point Pulp

however .... most everybody thinks that it will take the Redskins or the Browns giving the Rams about 4 picks (maybe 5) - this has varied from a 1, 2, 3 this year and at least a 1 in the next draft TO a 1 and a 2 this year AND next year
there is also a feeling that the Browns may not want to go that high - especially if they can get Flynn

RGIII certainly helped himself at the combine but Luck also looked very good as well

[SouthLondonRedskin]

As pointed out in the other RG3 thread, the rumored price the Redskins are willing to pay comes from Howrd Eskin, who is an Eagles beat reporter. With no ties to DC. The same guy who two weeks ago said Peyton Manning is coming to DC.

Not the most credible DC insider.

Howard Eskin may not have ties to DC, however his cousins girlfriends aunt is friends with the guy that used to clean Kyle's swimming pool, and he says that we're definitely getting RGIII.

Remember, you heard it here first....

[riggofan]

Thing I don't get is, the Rams don't even want him right? So why doesn't everyone try to trade with the Vikings instead, the cost would be less for whatever team wanted to compete for it, and your still going to get your guy.

Because if we trade up to #3, what stops the Dolphins or Browns from trading up to #2 and taking him??? Good grief.

Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.

If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.

[frankcal20]

Also don't forget that the Dolphins & Browns are in the AFC.

[riggofan]

Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.

If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.

I see what you're saying. I guess that could be true if the packages are similar in value. Like the Browns offer their two #1s this year and #3 next year vs. we offer a #1/#2 and next year's #1 or something. Its possible. I was just saying I don't think we're going to get any kind of best-pal-discount on the trade. We still have to make as strong an offer as any other team.

The real advantage I see is that Shanahan maybe has a better line of communication with Fisher because of their friendship. They could be talking about potential deals way before any other teams have a chance. Fisher could also be giving him a heads up on what other teams are offering, who else is in play, etc;

[SouthLondonRedskin]

Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.

If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.

I see what you're saying. I guess that could be true if the packages are similar in value. Like the Browns offer their two #1s this year and #3 next year vs. we offer a #1/#2 and next year's #1 or something. Its possible. I was just saying I don't think we're going to get any kind of best-pal-discount on the trade. We still have to make as strong an offer as any other team.

The real advantage I see is that Shanahan maybe has a better line of communication with Fisher because of their friendship. They could be talking about potential deals way before any other teams have a chance. Fisher could also be giving him a heads up on what other teams are offering, who else is in play, etc;

Forgive me, last year was the first time we got to watch the draft over here so I'm a little hazy on the politics of some of it.

So how does it work in our situation...? If Shanny and Fisher agreed to something it wouldn't be announced until the time would it...??? Or can we deal with them now and make an agreement that could be announced in advance of the draft...??

[Chris Luva Luva]

Also, I know Fisher and Shanny are friends, but I don't get where people think that he is going to cut us a deal as a result. Why would he and why would the Rams org. be ok with that? It might give us an edge in the negotiation part, but that's about it.

If the Skins and Browns are offering similiar packages, I'm sure he'll give his friend the deal before someone else. Even if it's a slight difference in what we offer, if he's like most people, he'll give his friend the offer anyway.

I see what you're saying. I guess that could be true if the packages are similar in value. Like the Browns offer their two #1s this year and #3 next year vs. we offer a #1/#2 and next year's #1 or something. Its possible. I was just saying I don't think we're going to get any kind of best-pal-discount on the trade. We still have to make as strong an offer as any other team.

The real advantage I see is that Shanahan maybe has a better line of communication with Fisher because of their friendship. They could be talking about potential deals way before any other teams have a chance. Fisher could also be giving him a heads up on what other teams are offering, who else is in play, etc;

Forgive me, last year was the first time we got to watch the draft over here so I'm a little hazy on the politics of some of it.

So how does it work in our situation...? If Shanny and Fisher agreed to something it wouldn't be announced until the time would it...??? Or can we deal with them now and make an agreement that could be announced in advance of the draft...??

Nobody really knows. There's a possibility, that Fisher knows that he's gonna give Mike the "hook up" (friend discount). That could change if the Browns offer STL 20 1st round draft pics, LOLOL. My point is that, I'm sure it'll determined close to the last minute. If the Skins can offer anything similiar to what the Browns, Phins, etc, cough up, they'll get their man. Later that evening, Mike will most likely send Fisher a thank you text and owe him a round of beers. LOL Or a favor in a future draft.

[GoSkins]

All Shanny can expect from Fisher is the last look. But that's worth a lot.

[SouthLondonRedskin]

All Shanny can expect from Fisher is the last look. But that's worth a lot.

So it'll go to the wire to ensure the Rams get the best possible deal. What we're saying is that Fisher will hopefully always give last option to Shanny before agreeing anything....

That is an advantage. As long as we're willing to go for it and as long as the Browns dont give up the next decade of 1st rounds it should be party time in DC, right...???

[aswas71788]

Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.

[GoSkins]

Not that sold on trading up for RGIII. Not that he is not going to be a good quarterback. You need to remember that the media hype is in full force right now, fueled by RGIII's publicist and agent. There are better quarterbacks that will be available next year. It would seem wiser to me to draft of impact players on the offense and get the quarterback next year. It would have to be an agreement between Shanahan and Snyder to do this.

If we finish with a better record this coming season then it will cost us more to get a potential franchise QB.