Projecting Robert Griffin III - Evaluation of Potential

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
riggofan wrote:Either way, Chris' point that the Browns might be looking more for a vet than to draft a QB is potential good news for us.


I wish I had a link to the story I'm basing that off of, but hopefully it pans out to be true.


I also saw a report that said the Browns may want a vet, and the report I saw specifically named McNabb as that desired vet. With Brad Childress now the OC for the Browns, nobody knows Childress' offense better than McNabb. McNabb was named to five Pro Bowls during his time with the Eagles and Childress. Although Andy Reid called the plays, Childress was credited for his work with McNabb.

So whether it's Flynn or McNabb, it would make much more sense for the Browns to sign a veteran QB and use their draft picks to build an offense around their QB's.
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RedSky wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
riggofan wrote:Either way, Chris' point that the Browns might be looking more for a vet than to draft a QB is potential good news for us.


I wish I had a link to the story I'm basing that off of, but hopefully it pans out to be true.


I also saw a report that said the Browns may want a vet, and the report I saw specifically named McNabb as that desired vet. With Brad Childress now the OC for the Browns, nobody knows Childress' offense better than McNabb. McNabb was named to five Pro Bowls during his time with the Eagles and Childress. Although Andy Reid called the plays, Childress was credited for his work with McNabb.

So whether it's Flynn or McNabb, it would make much more sense for the Browns to sign a veteran QB and use their draft picks to build an offense around their QB's.


While the Browns obtaining a vet would certainly strengthen our hand by removing the strongest competition, it, by no means, results in an easy road. If the Dolphins don't get Flynn, they will up their efforts to move to the 2 pick, as well.
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Countertrey wrote:
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riggofan wrote:Either way, Chris' point that the Browns might be looking more for a vet than to draft a QB is potential good news for us.


I wish I had a link to the story I'm basing that off of, but hopefully it pans out to be true.


I also saw a report that said the Browns may want a vet, and the report I saw specifically named McNabb as that desired vet. With Brad Childress now the OC for the Browns, nobody knows Childress' offense better than McNabb. McNabb was named to five Pro Bowls during his time with the Eagles and Childress. Although Andy Reid called the plays, Childress was credited for his work with McNabb.

So whether it's Flynn or McNabb, it would make much more sense for the Browns to sign a veteran QB and use their draft picks to build an offense around their QB's.


While the Browns obtaining a vet would certainly strengthen our hand by removing the strongest competition, it, by no means, results in an easy road. If the Dolphins don't get Flynn, they will up their efforts to move to the 2 pick, as well.


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Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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Countertrey wrote:While the Browns obtaining a vet would certainly strengthen our hand by removing the strongest competition, it, by no means, results in an easy road. If the Dolphins don't get Flynn, they will up their efforts to move to the 2 pick, as well.


They don't have two 1st round picks like the Browns do either... So it'll make it easier for us to win the auction.
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The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.


Marino, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly, Andrew Luck - What do these men have in common? Not winning a Superbowl.

Sorry. I would love Andrew Luck right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "_____QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).


You sir did that with far more tact than I was planning to and than fanofallthatisgibbs deserved. Well done, indeed. (Funny that Fanofallthatisgibbs left out steve young, roger staubach, and john elway from his running qb list. MUST ONLY be because they're not as recent as the ones he did list, MUST BE.)
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FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.


It took everything in me to refrain.... :lol:
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emoses14 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.


Marino, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly, Andrew Luck - What do these men have in common? Not winning a Superbowl.

Sorry. I would love Andrew Luck right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "_____QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).


You sir did that with far more tact than I was planning to and than fanofallthatisgibbs deserved. Well done, indeed. (Funny that Fanofallthatisgibbs left out steve young, roger staubach, and john elway from his running qb list. MUST ONLY be because they're not as recent as the ones he did list, MUST BE.)
. +1

Now more than ever, we will see the value of a mobile QB. As teams have gone more to spread offenses, used the wildcat, and even allowed guys like Tebow & Newton to run option based plays, offenses are evolving to capitalize on the dual run, pass threat from that position. Having a QB who can do both is a luxury that will pay dividends now & in the future. Newton broke Mannngs rookie passing records. And Manning turned out to be pretty good. If Mannning could go 99 yards with his legs, well we all know the rest.
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The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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He'd stay in the same division... Jacksonville was robbed by Shanny last draft and used a first round pick that's still a few years away from being ready. They have WRs like the Redskins (need a QB to make them better). Peyton played at Tenn, this is Gator country and they've loved to hate PM for over a decade and a half. That being said the blackout problem would go away.
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The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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He'd stay in the same division... Jacksonville was robbed by Shanny last draft and used a first round pick that's still a few years away from being ready. They have WRs like the Redskins (need a QB to make them better). Peyton played at Tenn, this is Gator country and they've loved to hate PM for over a decade and a half. That being said the blackout problem would go away.


Yes. And let's not forget that Manning famously told the Colts brass that if they didn't pick him, he'd kick their ar$$ for the next 10 years. It would be pretty sweet to see the Colts twice a year. I like Jax as a city. I'd hate to see the team move. Peyton could be the franchise there literally and the pressure wouldn't be unbearable.
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The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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Plus there is a big difference between a running QB and a QB who can run. RGIII is pass first all the way.

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emoses14 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.


Marino, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly, Andrew Luck - What do these men have in common? Not winning a Superbowl.

Sorry. I would love Andrew Luck right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "_____QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).


You sir did that with far more tact than I was planning to and than fanofallthatisgibbs deserved. Well done, indeed. (Funny that Fanofallthatisgibbs left out steve young, roger staubach, and john elway from his running qb list. MUST ONLY be because they're not as recent as the ones he did list, MUST BE.)
. +1

Now more than ever, we will see the value of a mobile QB. As teams have gone more to spread offenses, used the wildcat, and even allowed guys like Tebow & Newton to run option based plays, offenses are evolving to capitalize on the dual run, pass threat from that position. Having a QB who can do both is a luxury that will pay dividends now & in the future. Newton broke Mannngs rookie passing records. And Manning turned out to be pretty good. If Mannning could go 99 yards with his legs, well we all know the rest.
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DarthMonk wrote:Plus there is a big difference between a running QB and a QB who can run. RGIII is pass first all the way.

The Hogster wrote:
emoses14 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Vince Young, Cam Newton.

What do all these men have in common? Not winning a SuperBowl.

Sorry. I would love to RG3 right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "running QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).

I really hope we don't give up much, like it or not we still have many holes.


Marino, Matt Ryan, Jim Kelly, Andrew Luck - What do these men have in common? Not winning a Superbowl.

Sorry. I would love Andrew Luck right now too, but I am not as big on him as most here and the press. Until I see the "_____QB" actually win more than just regular season games, I care most about his arm (strength and accuracy) and his head (football IQ).


You sir did that with far more tact than I was planning to and than fanofallthatisgibbs deserved. Well done, indeed. (Funny that Fanofallthatisgibbs left out steve young, roger staubach, and john elway from his running qb list. MUST ONLY be because they're not as recent as the ones he did list, MUST BE.)
. +1

Now more than ever, we will see the value of a mobile QB. As teams have gone more to spread offenses, used the wildcat, and even allowed guys like Tebow & Newton to run option based plays, offenses are evolving to capitalize on the dual run, pass threat from that position. Having a QB who can do both is a luxury that will pay dividends now & in the future. Newton broke Mannngs rookie passing records. And Manning turned out to be pretty good. If Mannning could go 99 yards with his legs, well we all know the rest.


DM, I don't think most appreciate that yet... but, if he comes here... they will.
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Countertrey wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:Plus there is a big difference between a running QB and a QB who can run. RGIII is pass first all the way.


DM, I don't think most appreciate that yet... but, if he comes here... they will.


Griffin is happy to be viewed under the microscope
At NFL combine, QB wants to dispel misconceptions
By Mike Jones, Saturday, February 25,12:43 AM

INDIANAPOLIS — Robert Griffin III would like to clear a few things up. The Baylor quarterback in one season went from good college quarterback to household name and Heisman Trophy winner. Now he figures to come off the NFL draft board within the first two or three picks in April.

But although they routinely refer to him as “RG3,” as if he’s one of the boys, there’s quite a bit that people don’t know about Griffin. So Griffin arrived at Lucas Oil Stadium — the site of the annual NFL Scouting Combine — looking to dispel some misconceptions.

“People think that I just came onto the scene this year,” Griffin said Friday. “So they haven’t had as much time to evaluate me. So I’m just excited to show them who I am as a person.”

For weeks, Griffin has heard suspicions from analysts that his listed height of 6 feet 2 inches and weight of 220 pounds might have been inaccurate. They eyeballed him and believed he was a couple of inches shorter, and several pounds lighter, and some wondered if a diminutive stature would limit his effectiveness in the NFL.

Friday morning, Griffin measured 6 feet 23 / 8-inches tall and weighed in at 223 pounds.

“We didn’t lie about my height,” Griffin said with a smile and roll of the eyes while standing at the podium several hours later. “In high school, I was 6-4, 200 pounds. I got to college, I shrunk and gained weight. I was 6-2, 220. So I guess they just figured I shrunk some more, so 6-foot, 190 now. But it’s official: 6-23 / 8, 223. You just have to block those things out, but at the end of the day, the numbers don’t lie.”

Griffin — a military brat raised to use yes sirs and yes ma’ams in his speech and to live a life of discipline and character — continued his truth campaign by proclaiming two more facts.

He’s not the typical scrambling quarterback, and he’s smart enough and experienced enough to make a smooth transition to an NFL offense.

As a former Big 12 Conference and NCAA Midwest Regional champ in the 400-meter hurdles, he possesses impressive mobility and speed. And while he rushed for 10 touchdowns last season, Griffin isn’t one to tuck the ball and run at the first sign of duress. He’d rather elude a defender and find a receiver downfield than run the ball.

“There’s just a misconception that comes with being a dual-threat quarterback,” Griffin said. “You run first, throw second. I’ve proven I throw first and then run if I have to.”

Said Baylor wide receiver Kendall Wright, who last season caught 108 of Griffin’s passes for 1,663 yards and 14 touchdowns: “He stopped relying on his legs. . . . He can kill people other ways. He started working on his arm and he got good at throwing it everywhere and only runs when he has to.”


Griffin anticipates having to field plenty of questions in team interviews about the degree of complexity of Baylor’s offense. He told reporters — and planned on explaining to NFL coaches and team officials — that it was anything but simple.

“It’s a good offense, it’s a really great offense for quarterbacks, and simple would not be a word to describe it,” Griffin said before adding, “We had at least three options in our offense with a check-down, and my fourth or fifth option was to make something happen. I did run a pro-style offense in high school, not like this is high school, but just saying.”

Griffin chuckled and went on to explain his understanding of West Coast offenses like the one the quarterback-needy Redskins run.

Houston Texans Coach Gary Kubiak — a Mike Shanahan disciple, who runs a nearly identical offense — has studied Griffin and believes that he has both the physical ability and mental makeup to transition to any NFL system.

“Athletically, he’s as good as I’ve seen. He’s tremendous from that standpoint,” he said. “It looks like he can handle a great deal. His throwing motion is excellent. He makes all the throws: the big throws, the small throws. . . . One thing about that young man, he’ll fit in any scheme he wants to do.”


Griffin expects other coaches to come away from their talks with him with a confidence similar to Kubiak’s. While he naturally would like to go first overall from a competitor’s standpoint, and though he does view himself as the best quarterback in the draft, Griffin said ultimately, it doesn’t matter where he’s drafted, or which team selects him.

“I hope somebody falls in love with me — other than my fiancee,” he laughed. “That’s what you want as a player, a team that really wants you: head coach, general manager, owner, everybody. So that’s what I’m looking forward to.”

I'm in love with him. I think all of you will be too if he dons the B & G. Like the Genie said in Aladdin: "Are you gonna love this guy."

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It's got to the point now that if we don't get him it's gonna ruin the draft for me, even if we do really well in it.

Actually it'll probably spoil the season for me. As soon as I see him in another teams uniform I'll feel sick. Every week he'll be making headlines and capturing the hearts of another city, and I'm gonna be vomiting.

As I watch him dismantle teams almost single handed I don't want to be screaming at my tv "WHY SHANNY, WHY!?!"

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PulpExposure wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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:hmm: Now that I think about it, he does...



riggofan wrote:Kinda reminds me of a younger Al Sharpton!


OK he looks like him too. :shock:
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1niksder wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Wouldn't be surprised to see Manning in Jacksonville. Sahid Khan said he was in talks with the prior ownership about drafting Tim Tebow. He apparently knows the monetary value of a Franchise QB like Peyton--and with a mustache like this--you gotta be a big gambler.

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Does anyone else think he looks like a villain from a wild west movie?


:hmm: Now that I think about it, he does...



riggofan wrote:Kinda reminds me of a younger Al Sharpton!


OK he looks like him too. :shock:


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RGIII ran a 4.38 and 4.41 40 at the combine.


As Hogster stated in OP, Vick ran a 4.36. Cunningham historically a 4.4.

This just in, the kid is fast.

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From the Combine thread in the GM forum:

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40 time = 4.38 in 19 strides. Top speed = 23.6 mph.

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emoses14 wrote:RGIII ran a 4.38 and 4.41 40 at the combine.


As Hogster stated in OP, Vick ran a 4.36. Cunningham historically a 4.4.

This just in, the kid is fast.

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AND ... have you guys seen or heard from anyone that thinks the Rams are taking the LT from USC with the second pick ROTFALMAO




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No but there has been talk that other teams may be looking to move into #2 for the LT Kalil. Why #2, bc Minny needs a LT and they pick #3.
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There's a report on the bleacher report that the Redskins are willing to pay a haul for the 2nd pick.

I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2.


What I find amusing is that it's from Howard Eskin, who is a Eagles beat reporter in the Philadelphia area. Not exactly sure what his connection with Washington is, and why he apparently alone knows the Redskins' draft plans...
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PulpExposure wrote:There's a report on the bleacher report that the Redskins are willing to pay a haul for the 2nd pick.

I'm told by people within Redskins they are prepared to offer picks 1,2 and 3 this year, at least a 1 next year to move up to get RG3 at 2.


What I find amusing is that it's from Howard Eskin, who is a Eagles beat reporter in the Philadelphia area. Not exactly sure what his connection with Washington is, and why he apparently alone knows the Redskins' draft plans...


Isn't that the same reporter that earlier this month said he was told by sources that Peyton was going to be a Redskin??
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