When you think about it - Flynn's stock went through the roof with that game - his value was not bad when you look at the rest of the FA QBs but that game was fantastic
The ONLY question that this FO has is "is he worth it?"
He's going to get a lot and having all these QB needy franchises looking at him is the best scenario for a free agent
Miami has as much chance at him as anyone else that really wants him
he's going to get his .... big time
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Plus when you take a #2 QB and put him in a game, where he isn't used to taking all the #1 reps, thats exactly what he is supposed to do, play it a little safe and hit the first read. Not only did he hit them, he hit them very well.
Kilmer72 wrote:Stormin just can't just can't see any role for Rex. He has a serious dislike for him lmao.
If towel boy is available I have no problem with him handling that role. If we decide to keep 3 QBs, I wouldn't be that upset if he was number three on the depth chart.
» Here's a scout's take on Green Bay free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, after seeing him in a practice each of the past two summers: "There was virtually no difference in the accuracy or productivity of the offense [compared to Aaron Rodgers]. I was blown away by the guy because I had such low expectations. I was amazed at how good he looked, how in command and he's a mobile guy. He was not as impressive [last summer], but he was still good. I think he's a Rich Gannon type. He has a good arm, not a great arm. Arm strength is one of the most overrated aspects of a quarterback. I'd just go pay him and stop messing around with Rex [Grossman]. I'd use the draft pick for another position."
» Here's a scout's take on Green Bay free agent quarterback Matt Flynn, after seeing him in a practice each of the past two summers: "There was virtually no difference in the accuracy or productivity of the offense [compared to Aaron Rodgers]. I was blown away by the guy because I had such low expectations. I was amazed at how good he looked, how in command and he's a mobile guy. He was not as impressive [last summer], but he was still good. I think he's a Rich Gannon type. He has a good arm, not a great arm. Arm strength is one of the most overrated aspects of a quarterback. I'd just go pay him and stop messing around with Rex [Grossman]. I'd use the draft pick for another position."
All this FO (and Kyle) need to do is decide which QB (or QBs) will give them a better QB than Grossman - DUH
this is simple - by September we need 2 free agent QBs (1 could be Grossman = gag me, please) and 1 rookie from the draft to get ready
Bring in as many as you want but try and target a couple that you really want
If Flynn is one of those then he get's a great payday - that's the NFL
Matt Flynn could be Rich Gannon or he could be Kevin Kolb
let's not waste any draft picks on getting a QB
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
First off Kolb was in a very bad position last year. Not only did he not have a full offseason to work with a new team, he also was injured quite a bit. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
In the meantime, Marino sounded pretty reserved when asked about Green Bay Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn this week on The Joe Rose Show.
“Some guys are just — I don’t want to say it in a negative light — but sometimes there’s a reason why guys are backups, you know?” Marino said during his weekly WQAM appearance. “I’m not saying he can’t come in here and be a terrific player. Maybe he can be. But he didn’t play somewhere the whole time. He hasn’t had that [experience].”
We've previously described the weeks and months between the last day of the Redskins season and the start of training camp as their offseason Super Bowl. It's become less a frenzied free-agent free-for-all under head coach Mike Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, but much in the same way an alcoholic is one drink away from an impending bender, Washington owner Dan Snyder seems one high-priced acquisition away from another make-believe offseason championship.
The Redskins head into the spring with dire needs at quarterback. This is the logical conclusion to turning the offense over to Rex Grossman and John Beck. The problem: while Washington was sufficiently awful, they weren't quite bad enough to position themselves for Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III -- not without giving up players or picks first.
Even before the 2011 season ended, we heard rumors that the Redskins could be in the Peyton Manning business should he become available. Two weeks later, there was speculation that, despite their newfound less impulsive approach to roster-building, Washington might trade up to the first-overall pick in April's NFL Draft. And two weeks after that, the "'Skins will try to get Robert Griffin III" rumors were born.
Given the evolution of Redskins-related speculation, it only makes sense that Packers free-agent quarterback Matt Flynn would enter the conversation.
Flynn, drafted as a seventh-round afterthought in 2008, has two career starts, including a Week 17 appearance against the Lions where he went off. By the time it was over, he had completed 70.5 percent of his passes (31 of 44) for 480 yards and six touchdowns. It was enough to make us wonder if Flynn would be this offseason's Kevin Kolb. (To be fair to Flynn, he had accomplished something before being handed $63 million. So he had that going for him.)
Which brings us back to the Redskins. On Thursday, Chris Russell of ESPN 980 in Washington weighed in on Flynn:
Two things ... factor into the possible Redskins-Flynn equation. Unlike last year, the Redskins will have to make their decisions first on free agency and then the draft. I can't stress how uncomfortable it makes me to bank on the draft to find "THE GUY," and I am NOT a trade up kind of guy. There is no guarantee that RG III is around with the sixth pick, as a matter of fact it is highly unlikely. You may have to move all the way up to the 2nd pick -- which is an extremely high cost.
The last, and this might be most important -- the Green Bay Packers run a very similar style of the West Coast offense as the Redskins do. Every scheme has variances, but these two teams, according to one high end Redskins source -- are "almost the same." Flynn would not face a huge scheme transition like Kevin Kolb did. The source was quick to point this out, saying that Kolb going from Andy Reid and the Eagles to Ken Whisenhunt and the Cardinals (essentially the Steelers offense) was like learning Chinese fluently in a month, when your base language is English.
On Wednesday, CBS Sports NFL Insider Charley Casserly appeared on another Washington station, 106.7 The Fan, to talk about -- you guessed it -- Matt Flynn. Except he wasn't as high on Flynn-to-the-Skins as Russell.
“I think [Flynn] in this system he plays in is really good. So Cleveland, Seattle, if Joe Philbin ends up with a head job in Miami.” Casserly said. “I’m not sure if it’s exactly the same thing the Redskins want in their same system. I’m not sure if everything they’re doing right now is some of the things he’s good at,” he added.
More interesting: Casserly contradicts Russell's claim that the Packers and Redskins run similar schemes. Casserly said the Packers' offense is based on timing while the Redskins rely on deep passes. Given that scouts' generally viewed Flynn as having a weak arm coming out of college (which helps explain why he lasted until the seventh round), he probably wouldn't be a good fit for Washington's down-the-field passing philosophy.
Of course, perceptions change. Next month, quarterback-needy teams could wage a bidding war for Flynn's services, and it's reasonable to think that the 'Skins might be in the middle of it. It's also reasonable to think that they could move up the draft board for either Luck or Griffin. But that's the beauty of Dan Snyder: you never know.
frankcal20 wrote:First off Kolb was in a very bad position last year. Not only did he not have a full offseason to work with a new team, he also was injured quite a bit. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
Do you think Kolb's going to get much of a chance in Arizona?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
frankcal20 wrote:First off Kolb was in a very bad position last year. Not only did he not have a full offseason to work with a new team, he also was injured quite a bit. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
Do you think Kolb's going to get much of a chance in Arizona?
I do based on his contract. Also, are they going to give the ball to Skelton more? I'm not so sure.
I get the feeling that they don't think Kolb's a good fit for what they want to do - is that not the case?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
In fact, Rodgers on Wednesday told a Milwaukee radio station he sees the Dolphins and the Seattle Seahawks as the “two top dogs” in the race for the talented backup, expected to become an unrestricted free agent in March.
This is based on a conversation with Flynn “in the last few days,” Rodgers said of his backup quarterback in Green Bay the past four years.
“I think it’s a strong possibility that [the Dolphins] would make a run at him,” Rodgers said during his weekly appearance on ESPN Milwaukee. “I think it kind of makes sense. Joe [Philbin] in that system, which I’m sure is going to be very similar to this system, and Matt having a great grasp of that and playing well in his recent opportunities. I think it would kind of make sense to bring Matt out there.”
Rodgers, taking a break from Pro Bowl “preparations” in Hawaii, was upbeat about Flynn’s chances to thrive in a new locale, whether it was under his former offensive coordinator or not.
“I think with a talent like Matt, he would have success in just about any offense you plug him into,” Rodgers said. “I think you could see maybe a little bit more immediate success in an offense he’s very familiar with, so I think you have to look at Miami, obviously.”
As for the Seahawks, their general manager John Schneider knows Flynn from his time in Green Bay.
“John Schneider knows Matt and he’s pulling some strings up there with them,” Rodgers said. “I think that would be an opportunity for him up there. Those are probably, in my opinion, the two top dogs that would go after him. There’s got to be at least five or six teams who legitimately should take a look at Matt and see him being an immediate improvement over what they have at quarterback.”
Of course, the Seahawks (along with the Cardinals) are reportedly on Peyton Manning’s shortlist of preferred landing spots.
The Dolphins have yet to make it to such a (reported) list.
Dan Marino's reasoning behind Flynn sitting on the bench showing that he's not a capable starter is ludicrous. He's sitting behind Aaron Rodgers, no wonder he's a backup! And I think Flynn will go to Miami, now that Philbin is there. That sucks.
Flynn put up some big numbers in that 45-41 win over the Lions, passing for 480 yards and six touchdowns. But that wasn’t exactly a game where either team seemed to care much about defense. Matthew Stafford killed it, too.
And after taking a closer look at that game, you can see that Flynn received a lot of help from his teammates — and dodged a couple of bullets — maybe moreso than he actually made a ton of plays.
Mike Jones goes on to breakdown each of Flynn's TDs and shows how the recievers made a huge difference in making those plays succeed.
Canes did a similar breakdown to start this thread. Mike, you are a little late on this one.
I trust that Shanny knows what he wants to see in a long term starting QB that will cost big bucks. Though McNabb didn't work out, McNabb definitely had the physical traits that Shanny wants. Big arm and mobility. Flynn has a good arm and can move in the pocket, but he doesn't have the stuff that Shanny wants that would justify spending the big bucks on him.
Now I've heard rumors that the Skins scouts are not interested in Flynn at all. They don't like his arm strength and are more interested in pursuing either Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton .
StorminMormon86 wrote:Now I've heard rumors that the Skins scouts are not interested in Flynn at all. They don't like his arm strength and are more interested in pursuing either Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton .
I've heard reports that Peyton can't throw the ball 30 yards... I doubt Flynn arm strength is weaker than that
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StorminMormon86 wrote:Now I've heard rumors that the Skins scouts are not interested in Flynn at all. They don't like his arm strength and are more interested in pursuing either Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton .
I bet they just love Peyton's arm strength.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
1niksder wrote:I've heard reports that Peyton can't throw the ball 30 yards... I doubt Flynn arm strength is weaker than that
Don't shoot the messanger, I want to get Flynn over any other FA...but I don't see it happening. There seems to be an increase in hearing the name "Kyle Orton" in the DC area over the past couple of weeks, and it wouldn't surprise me if this is the FA we go out and sign. I think he'd be considerably cheaper than Flynn, and while he may be a bit more pricey than resigning Grossman, he'd still be an upgrade over Wrecks.
StorminMormon86 wrote:Now I've heard rumors that the Skins scouts are not interested in Flynn at all. They don't like his arm strength and are more interested in pursuing either Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton .
Where did these rumours come from..? Other fans or reliable sources...??
My excitment about free agency and the draft took a 50% hit after reading that.....
StorminMormon86 wrote:Now I've heard rumors that the Skins scouts are not interested in Flynn at all. They don't like his arm strength and are more interested in pursuing either Peyton Manning or Kyle Orton .
Where did these rumours come from..? Other fans or reliable sources...??
My excitment about free agency and the draft took a 50% hit after reading that.....
Mostly the WP and the four letter network
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My only comment about "rumors" is that Mike Shanahan has to run the most secretive Redskins team in history. I doubt any of the media sources know any more about his intentions than any of us do. My reading of the WashPost lately has been less "here's the inside scoop on what the Redskins are doing" and more "here is every possible option the Redskins might pursue because we have no clue".
I won't be disappointed if they make a football decision and don't pursue Flynn. At least its not Vinny and Dan chasing the hottest name on the espn blogs.
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riggofan wrote:My only comment about "rumors" is that Mike Shanahan has to run the most secretive Redskins team in history. I doubt any of the media sources know any more about his intentions than any of us do. My reading of the WashPost lately has been less "here's the inside scoop on what the Redskins are doing" and more "here is every possible option the Redskins might pursue because we have no clue".
While I get the point here, the most secretive Redskins team in history was run by Bruce's dad.
I won't be disappointed if they make a football decision and don't pursue Flynn. At least its not Vinny and Dan chasing the hottest name on the espn blogs.
I think that whatever they do, it will be thorougly thought out... and will be sound football decisions.
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I don't think Manning would go to Arizona. Didn't they pay Kolb a ton of money? Why would they bring in Manning (presumably for a considerable amount of money) to also pay his backup "starter pay"?
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