Carry-over cash, cap gives some NFL teams money to spend

Talk about the Washington Football Team here. Do you bleed burgundy and gold?
KazooSkinsFan
kazoo
kazoo
Posts: 10293
youtube meble na wymiar Warszawa
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:00 pm
Location: Kazmania

Post by KazooSkinsFan »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Deadskins wrote:Who's Wes Welker? Never heard of him. :roll:


He's a snivling, whiny little brat who probably cost himself a pretty nice payday because he didn't have the skill or talent to make a catch when it was absolutely necessary in a big game.


At least he was in the game rather then sitting on his sofa swilling beer and stuffing nachos in is fat face like some people who hold others to incredible standards while holding themselves to none at all. Some don't even try because they know they will fail. Can you imagine, RF?
Hail to the Redskins!

Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him

Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
User avatar
Redskins_Fanatic
Hog
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:08 pm
Location: Right On The Edge Of Goodbye

Post by Redskins_Fanatic »

KazooSkinsFan wrote:At least he was in the game rather then sitting on his sofa swilling beer and stuffing nachos in is fat face like some people who hold others to incredible standards while holding themselves to none at all. Some don't even try because they know they will fail. Can you imagine, RF?


No, at this point I really can't imagine sitting on the sofa, drinking beer and eating nachos on Super Bowl Sunday....

1. I don't drink beer, or even much soda anymore. Almost all water now.

2. I don't eat nachos.

3. I don't watch football games where I don't have a rooting interest in either team.

In terms of your other concept.... I learned the lesson of not bothering to try anymore years ago. The time and energy invested greatly exceeds the return on that investment. Not a real good equation.
Countertrey
the 'mudge
the 'mudge
Posts: 16632
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:15 pm
Location: Curmudgeon Corner, Maine

Post by Countertrey »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
cowboykillerzRED wrote:Seems to me we have money to make moves.. You'd think even trolls would like the sound of that.


The question is what is the team going to spend it on? A collection of Wes Welker-type, second and third tier players or a couple of bona fide Immediate Impact Veterans who someone might have heard of previously? If it's the former, I wouldn't have the slightest interest in it; and that's what this new front office seems to be more intersted in.


... and, there you have it... straight from the troll's keyboard.

Halloween, 2010... a day which shall live in troll infamy.
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I'm Done. I'm Out.
"That's a clown question, bro"
- - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman
"But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man
That he didn't, didn't already have"
- - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
User avatar
Deadskins
JSPB22
JSPB22
Posts: 18392
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:03 am
Location: Location, LOCATION!

Re: Carry-over cash, cap gives some NFL teams money to spend

Post by Deadskins »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Actually, if you look back at my recent posts you will not find "we", "us" or similar phraseology. I have gone out of my way to separate myself from this team. Especially as they more and more move down a road where I cannot follow in terms of player development and management style.

I'd love to be a Redskins fan again someday, but I don't forsee that being very likely considering the current path of the management and front office staff.

Yeah, it's been a whole week:
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Does the frakin name you post under count?

I totally believe you that you are not a Redskins fan reguarless of what your screen name is. I'm not sure you're even a rational thinking hman being.


For a very long time I was exactly what that screen-name suggests. At this point I don't know if I can waste the time, energy, etc... on this team anymore.

We played both of those Super Bowl teams a total of 3 times this year. We BEAT the winner TWICE and should have beaten the other team. Yet we ended the season at 5-11. WTF?!?!?!?!

There is either something seriously wrong with this team, or there's something even more wrong about the way this league is set up. Personally, I think it's a combination of the two.

I'm just not sure that I can continue to take years off my life with the stress and strain of following this team. Honestly. Especially after 20 consecutive losing seasons (only 1 team a year has a winning season so far as I'm concerned); and not even getting close to having a winning season in the foreseeable future.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#566452

Just one more RF lie. :roll:
Last edited by Deadskins on Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.


Hog Bowl IV Champion (2012)

Hail to the Redskins!
User avatar
Redskins_Fanatic
Hog
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:08 pm
Location: Right On The Edge Of Goodbye

Post by Redskins_Fanatic »

Countertrey wrote:... and, there you have it... straight from the troll's keyboard.


Yep. The NFL is very quickly sinking to the level of MLS amongst those of us who actually prefer to follow sports where GREATNESS is the route to Championships, rather than mediocrity, which the NFL seems to prefer these days.
User avatar
PickSixerTWSS
Hog
Posts: 289
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:03 pm

Post by PickSixerTWSS »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Deadskins wrote:Who's Wes Welker? Never heard of him. :roll:


He's a snivling, whiny little brat who probably cost himself a pretty nice payday because he didn't have the skill or talent to make a catch when it was absolutely necessary in a big game.
You mean the one that was All-Pro? The one who was in the pro bowl? The one who lead the NFL in catches? The one who had 1400 yards? Even if he has Brady he is still quality and not 3rd tier.
Hail Robert Griffin III!

21 Sean Taylor will never be forgotten.....
User avatar
emoses14
Hog
Posts: 2320
Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:36 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Post by emoses14 »

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Seems to me we have money to make moves.. You'd think even trolls would like the sound of that.


They won't. Trolls like nothing but the sound of their own ranting. I guarantee you that when the redskins win the superbowl, this pig defiler will be here whining about how either they didn't win by enough, they still didn't have a "winning season" because the entire league is mediocre (which is so laughable its not even funny); and/or that we're all "losers" for reveling in the fact that they won a superbowl.

They are Standard Bearers for a reality so absurd that to acknowledge the viability of any perspective different from their own would quite literally unravel their world.

You know, they're morons.
I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

-Santana Moss on Our QB
User avatar
1niksder
**********
**********
Posts: 16741
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
Contact:

Post by 1niksder »

riggofan wrote:Thanks for posting this. Can anybody explain what this "carry over cash" thing means? Is it something new in the CBA? I didn't really understand when I read it today.

Thanks!


Under the new CBA ( Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) ) teams can request to "carry over" all or a portion of unused cap space from the previous year and that amount will be added to the requesting teams upcoming year's Cap. They simply have to put the amount they want to use in writing and send it to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year, the new league year begins on March 13, the request must be submitted by February 28.
..__..
{o,o}
|)__)
-"-"-

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off
DesertSkin
Hog
Posts: 243
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2003 6:44 pm
Location: Afhganistan Bound

Post by DesertSkin »

1niksder wrote:
riggofan wrote:Thanks for posting this. Can anybody explain what this "carry over cash" thing means? Is it something new in the CBA? I didn't really understand when I read it today.

Thanks!


Under the new CBA ( Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) ) teams can request to "carry over" all or a portion of unused cap space from the previous year and that amount will be added to the requesting teams upcoming year's Cap. They simply have to put the amount they want to use in writing and send it to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year, the new league year begins on March 13, the request must be submitted by February 28.


Isn't there a requirement to spend a certain percentage of the cap???? I thought that the CBA required the teams to spend like 90 something percent of the cap. If that a requirement, then we're kinda forced to spend.
User avatar
1niksder
**********
**********
Posts: 16741
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
Contact:

Post by 1niksder »

DesertSkin wrote:
1niksder wrote:
riggofan wrote:Thanks for posting this. Can anybody explain what this "carry over cash" thing means? Is it something new in the CBA? I didn't really understand when I read it today.

Thanks!


Under the new CBA ( Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) ) teams can request to "carry over" all or a portion of unused cap space from the previous year and that amount will be added to the requesting teams upcoming year's Cap. They simply have to put the amount they want to use in writing and send it to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year, the new league year begins on March 13, the request must be submitted by February 28.


Isn't there a requirement to spend a certain percentage of the cap???? I thought that the CBA required the teams to spend like 90 something percent of the cap. If that a requirement, then we're kinda forced to spend.


Doesn't kick in until 2013, then it's 89% of the 3 year average of the UNADJUSTED cap numbers.
..__..
{o,o}
|)__)
-"-"-

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off
Paralis
Hog
Posts: 250
Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:55 am

Post by Paralis »

1niksder wrote:No tough choices...

What does Fletcher being unsigned have to do with how many pro-bowl level players not on rookie deals?

They have 51 players under contract and about 20 of them are on their rookie deals. They only have four players from the previous FO that are still on their rookie deals, so they had very little to work with (even less than what he thought). There's only eleven players left from the Vinny C. days and they'll have the ammo they need to continue the process of placing a NFL caliber team at Redskins Park.

They have 14 Free Agents that they brought in, 16 players they selected in the draft, 3 guys they traded for and 3 guys the found on the streets. That's 36 players they've brought in, without a normal off season until now. They used the uncapped year to get into the position that they're in but it took tough choices to get there.

If it was so easy to do because of the uncapped year, why are teams like the Rams, Steelers, Panthers, both NY teams, and ttiT all technically all over the cap it the new league year started today? There are another eleven teams with less than $10M in space not including carry over money, and a total of 21 teams with less cap room today than the cap space the Redskins have to carry over. You can't get to where this team is , coming from where they were without some tough choices.

They've made many tough choices... not all good choices but tough.


Here's what's tough, and I mean this only as regards the salary cap: packing enough good enough veteran players into the top 51 salaries to field a competitive team. And the Skins just aren't in that market, which is the point about Fletcher, and which is the difference between the Skins and the other teams you named (except the Rams who are oddly hobbled by 3 top-5 rookie contracts). The current FO hasn't spent big money to sign or retain anybody, and while on a certain level that's astute (better to be thrifty than profligate), the results speak for themselves--the Skins are getting not very good results for not very much money.

The problem is that unless they're happy with the results, the cap number isn't sustainable. Even if the Skins are committed to building through the draft, guys in the prime of their career don't get magically cheaper just because they were drafted in-house. The Steelers have cap problems because they've had to give big contracts to great players--Harrison, Polamalu, Hines Ward, etc. and I don't think you can look at the Skins' roster and say the reason we don't have those problems is that our FO is smarter. I think another more obvious conclusion is that our players just aren't as good.

If the Skins want to keep Davis and Landry, or Orakpo and Kerrigan, or Williams and Lichtensteiger long-term, it's going to cost and that's just not a problem that the current FO has had to consider yet. For now all they've had to do is take a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to cut big contracts (sort of what Oakland is trying to do now), forget about competitiveness. As a fan who supported most of the moves at the time, that feels more obvious than tough.
User avatar
1niksder
**********
**********
Posts: 16741
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
Contact:

Post by 1niksder »

Paralis wrote:
Here's what's tough, and I mean this only as regards the salary cap: packing enough good enough veteran players into the top 51 salaries to field a competitive team. And the Skins just aren't in that market, which is the point about Fletcher, and which is the difference between the Skins and the other teams you named (except the Rams who are oddly hobbled by 3 top-5 rookie contracts). The current FO hasn't spent big money to sign or retain anybody, and while on a certain level that's astute (better to be thrifty than profligate), the results speak for themselves--the Skins are getting not very good results for not very much money.


They are into their second full off-season... after taking over the management of the team they had to identify players that were on the roster (a roster that was full of players that got big money players that weren't playing) to see if they would fit into their new schemes. At the same time there was a lockout coming, which limited the number of players that could hit free agency. After the lockout, there was a condensed free agent signing period which again limited the moves they could make, because a lot of free agents took the one year contract route (so they could get another crack at free agency). The Broncos, Niners, and Bengals all spent less than the Skins but they weren't starting from scratch.

Paralis wrote:The problem is that unless they're happy with the results, the cap number isn't sustainable. Even if the Skins are committed to building through the draft, guys in the prime of their career don't get magically cheaper just because they were drafted in-house. The Steelers have cap problems because they've had to give big contracts to great players--Harrison, Polamalu, Hines Ward, etc. and I don't think you can look at the Skins' roster and say the reason we don't have those problems is that our FO is smarter. I think another more obvious conclusion is that our players just aren't as good.


What big contracts are you talking about?
Harrison signed a 6 year/$51M a few years ago that averages out to be less than a $10M per year and that's really not big money. His 2012 cap hit will be around $9.3M... that's big money for a 33 year old LB that was suspended for almost a third of the 2011 season. Polamalu got a new deal last year (four-years/$36.5M) his deal also averaged less than $10M per. He averaged less than ten tackles per game last season. Hines Ward got a five-year, $24.85 million contract in 2009 (averaging less than $5M per year), he'll be 36 before the season starts and is due a $4M base salary in 2012. That's big money and I doubt he'll get it.
The Colts almost spent as much as the Steelers but without a QB look how that turned out.

You're talking about players that Vinny drafted or brought in and overpaid, so again we're talking a new FO trying to find out which players could play. They found out they didn't have many.

Paralis wrote:If the Skins want to keep Davis and Landry, or Orakpo and Kerrigan, or Williams and Lichtensteiger long-term, it's going to cost and that's just not a problem that the current FO has had to consider yet. For now all they've had to do is take a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to cut big contracts (sort of what Oakland is trying to do now), forget about competitiveness. As a fan who supported most of the moves at the time, that feels more obvious than tough.


Davis and Landry both have issues that will allow the team to retain them if they do hit the market. Lichtensteiger is coming off a injury and is a RFA so he'll be back too. All three need to prove they are worthy of long term deals. Williams, Orakpo and Kerrigan are all under contract until 2015.

All six will be back in 2012. Cutting big contracts are tough even if it's obvious they need to be cut. Look at Fat Albert, he was in his prime and got paid. After one year with Shanny they let him go. Just because there was a uncapped year it wasn't a free pass. Haynesworth will cost the Redskins $2M in cap space in 2012. That's a tough decision to eat that much cap space. I will agree with you on the Raiders doing the same thing. Ownership in Oakland hired a GM for the first time and he is getting the Raiders out of the world of fantasy football and trying to rebuild a neglected organization and field a NFL caliber team at the same time.
..__..
{o,o}
|)__)
-"-"-

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off
User avatar
Redskins_Fanatic
Hog
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:08 pm
Location: Right On The Edge Of Goodbye

Post by Redskins_Fanatic »

PickSixerTWSS wrote:You mean the one that was All-Pro? The one who was in the pro bowl? The one who lead the NFL in catches? The one who had 1400 yards? Even if he has Brady he is still quality and not 3rd tier.


All-Pro/Pro Bowl means nothing. He's the guy who couldn't make the play when it counted. Leading a mediocre league in anything means nothing. He, like Brady is a product of that system and nothing more. Put them in a real offense and they'd flail around like fish out of water.
User avatar
Redskins_Fanatic
Hog
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:08 pm
Location: Right On The Edge Of Goodbye

Post by Redskins_Fanatic »

emoses14 wrote:They won't. Trolls like nothing but the sound of their own ranting. I guarantee you that when the redskins win the superbowl, this pig defiler will be here whining about how either they didn't win by enough, they still didn't have a "winning season" because the entire league is mediocre (which is so laughable its not even funny); and/or that we're all "losers" for reveling in the fact that they won a superbowl.

They are Standard Bearers for a reality so absurd that to acknowledge the viability of any perspective different from their own would quite literally unravel their world.

You know, they're morons.


The benchmark has already been set, and not by me. It was set by the 1991-92 Redskins team. The minimum acceptable season is 14-2 with a Super Bowl title and a season of almost total domination of opponents. In fact that team SHOULD HAVE BEEN 16-0. They coughed up a furball to Dallas in week 12 and then Gibbs took out all the starters in the second half against Philly in the final week of the season. They could have reasonably been 16-0. They dominated almost every opponent they faced that season. Their average win was more than 14 points (around 16 if my memory serves) and went UP in the playoffs. The roster contained a considerable number of Hall of Fame caliber talent as well. That's the benchmark so far as I'm concerned, and they set it for themselves.
User avatar
PickSixerTWSS
Hog
Posts: 289
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:03 pm

Post by PickSixerTWSS »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
PickSixerTWSS wrote:You mean the one that was All-Pro? The one who was in the pro bowl? The one who lead the NFL in catches? The one who had 1400 yards? Even if he has Brady he is still quality and not 3rd tier.


All-Pro/Pro Bowl means nothing. He's the guy who couldn't make the play when it counted. Leading a mediocre league in anything means nothing. He, like Brady is a product of that system and nothing more. Put them in a real offense and they'd flail around like fish out of water.
So you are saying Tom Brady is a SYSTEM QB???? Dude, your really stupid. :thump: Dude I wish I could :puke: all over you. If you are really that negative about football and the Redskins Why don't you leave?
Hail Robert Griffin III!

21 Sean Taylor will never be forgotten.....
User avatar
SouthLondonRedskin
Hog
Posts: 1217
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:02 pm
Location: Co. Cavan, Ireland
Contact:

Post by SouthLondonRedskin »

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
emoses14 wrote:They won't. Trolls like nothing but the sound of their own ranting. I guarantee you that when the redskins win the superbowl, this pig defiler will be here whining about how either they didn't win by enough, they still didn't have a "winning season" because the entire league is mediocre (which is so laughable its not even funny); and/or that we're all "losers" for reveling in the fact that they won a superbowl.

They are Standard Bearers for a reality so absurd that to acknowledge the viability of any perspective different from their own would quite literally unravel their world.

You know, they're morons.


The benchmark has already been set, and not by me. It was set by the 1991-92 Redskins team. The minimum acceptable season is 14-2 with a Super Bowl title and a season of almost total domination of opponents. In fact that team SHOULD HAVE BEEN 16-0. They coughed up a furball to Dallas in week 12 and then Gibbs took out all the starters in the second half against Philly in the final week of the season. They could have reasonably been 16-0. They dominated almost every opponent they faced that season. Their average win was more than 14 points (around 16 if my memory serves) and went UP in the playoffs. The roster contained a considerable number of Hall of Fame caliber talent as well. That's the benchmark so far as I'm concerned, and they set it for themselves.



That's not a benchmark, you're talking about perfection, and that's something to aim for but something no team has achieved yet.

Keep it realistic. I don't think that '91 team was a team of superstars, I think it was a complete unit full of talent and very importantly a great attitude and team ethic.

To assemble a team that's going to come near that '91 team we need to build from the bottom with young, enthusiastic and commited talent. That process only really began last off season and I think we did very well with players like Kerrigan, Helu and Royster. Hankerson and Jenkins impressed before injury. Riley and Smith looked like promising finds also.

That's a good crop of young talent, a similar effort this year coupled with some experienced players acquired through free agency and we'll win the division.

I honestly think that injuries and suspensions together with QB issues stopped us from taking the division last time. Some more strength in depth and a proper QB will make all the difference in terms of a division title.

We'll need another year or so after that to challenge for ther big one though..
In Scot We Trust!
User avatar
1niksder
**********
**********
Posts: 16741
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
Contact:

Post by 1niksder »

I'll try to get this thread back on topic... one more time.

Plenty of (cap) room to improve
Teams have approximately $711 million of combined cap space; who's in best shape?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

The numbers are in.
One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season.

The 2011 salary cap was $120.375 million, and the 2012 ceiling is expected to be close. The exact number is calculated based on revenues and should be available in the next week or two.

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't spend $31 million of cap room in 2011, so they now have $45 million of room.

The Kansas City Chiefs have $62.995 million after budgeting $24.014 million from the 2011 season.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, thanks to $23.519 million of carryover cap money, have the second-most cap space with $60.496 million.

The Cincinnati Bengals moved over $15 million from last year and have $60 million to spend.

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins has plenty of room to get quarterback and receiver help, thanks to $47.56 million of cap space.

The 2011 playoff teams in good shape are the Denver Broncos ($50.735 million of cap room), San Francisco 49ers ($39.33 million), Atlanta Falcons ($30.6 million) and New England Patriots ($20 million). To get to the $50 million mark, the Broncos carried over $26 million of unused cap.

Four teams still have to get under the salary cap by March 13. They are the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have redone three contracts to be $11.7 million over, the Oakland Raiders ($11 million over), the Carolina Panthers ($9.6 million over) and the New York Giants ($7.3 million over).


I have them at 2.485 less than Clayton. He must not be counting Chris Baker, Kentwan Balmer, Tyler Polumbus, and Richard Quinn contracts
..__..
{o,o}
|)__)
-"-"-

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off
User avatar
riggofan
HereComesTheDiesel
HereComesTheDiesel
Posts: 9460
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:29 pm
Location: Montclair, Virginia

Post by riggofan »

1niksder wrote:
riggofan wrote:Thanks for posting this. Can anybody explain what this "carry over cash" thing means? Is it something new in the CBA? I didn't really understand when I read it today.

Thanks!


Under the new CBA ( Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) ) teams can request to "carry over" all or a portion of unused cap space from the previous year and that amount will be added to the requesting teams upcoming year's Cap. They simply have to put the amount they want to use in writing and send it to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year, the new league year begins on March 13, the request must be submitted by February 28.


Hey thanks a lot for the explanation, much appreciated. I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

So let's say on March 13 the Redskins are $40m under the salary cap with contracts expiring. And they were $29m or whatever under the cap in 2011. This means they can add that $29m to 2012 and have $69m in cap space for the upcoming season?
frankcal20
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
Posts: 9017
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:52 pm
Contact:

Post by frankcal20 »

When does free agency actually start? Isn't it in March?
DarthMonk
DarthMonk
DarthMonk
Posts: 7047
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:58 pm

Post by DarthMonk »

1niksder wrote:I'll try to get this thread back on topic... one more time.


Yes maibrutha. Brief aside - my son pointed out the origin of your handle. Hadn't noticed in all this time. Thought it was inksider for quite a while.

I hope/suspect we will continue to go after Cofield and Bowen types - high motor guys who are still young and getting better. We want smart picks in the draft and guys getting their 2nd contract, not their 3rd or 4th.

I once heard it said that big bucks don't ruin a guy ... they make him more what he already is. So Haynesworth gets lazier, Holmes gets punkier, and Cofield works even harder.

What kind of people are we looking at?

QB - Draft please.

RB - We have Helu and others.

WR - Bowe is a mega-talent but a little scary off the field. Colston is another mega-talent who seems safer though he is 29 to Bowe's 27. Also, it looks like KC is in better cap shape than NOS. Physically we need a WR like one of these two.

TE - Re-sign and maybe draft.

OT - All FAs seem to be old or coming off injury. Draft please.

G - Nicks, Grubbs, and Mathis all look awesome. Grubbs really fits the high-motor, impeccable-work-ethic mold. He's 28. Mathis also looks very self-motivated. He's 30.

C - I like Monty. Don't we even have a little depth here?

How about we go after Colston, Grubbs, and/or Mathis?

That's what I got on offense.





1niksder wrote:Plenty of (cap) room to improve
Teams have approximately $711 million of combined cap space; who's in best shape?
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

The numbers are in.
One of the new parts of the NFL collective bargaining agreement is the ability of teams to roll over remaining cap room into the next season. The 2011 season finished with $320 million of remaining cap room. Thirty teams carried over $301.78 million of unused cap money to give the 32 teams approximately $711 million of combined room as they start to prepare for the 2012 season.

The 2011 salary cap was $120.375 million, and the 2012 ceiling is expected to be close. The exact number is calculated based on revenues and should be available in the next week or two.

The Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers didn't have enough remaining room to push money over into 2012, so Houston has $3.3 million of cap space and San Diego has $9.2 million.

The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't spend $31 million of cap room in 2011, so they now have $45 million of room.

The Kansas City Chiefs have $62.995 million after budgeting $24.014 million from the 2011 season.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, thanks to $23.519 million of carryover cap money, have the second-most cap space with $60.496 million.

The Cincinnati Bengals moved over $15 million from last year and have $60 million to spend.

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins has plenty of room to get quarterback and receiver help, thanks to $47.56 million of cap space.

The 2011 playoff teams in good shape are the Denver Broncos ($50.735 million of cap room), San Francisco 49ers ($39.33 million), Atlanta Falcons ($30.6 million) and New England Patriots ($20 million). To get to the $50 million mark, the Broncos carried over $26 million of unused cap.

Four teams still have to get under the salary cap by March 13. They are the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have redone three contracts to be $11.7 million over, the Oakland Raiders ($11 million over), the Carolina Panthers ($9.6 million over) and the New York Giants ($7.3 million over).
Hog Bowl III, V, X Champion (2011, 2013, 2018)

Hognostication Champion (2011, 2013, 2016)

Hognostibowl XII Champion (2017, 2018)


Scalp 'em, Swamp 'em,
We will take 'em big score!
Read 'em, Weep 'em Touchdown,
We want heap more!
User avatar
1niksder
**********
**********
Posts: 16741
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:45 pm
Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
Contact:

Post by 1niksder »

riggofan wrote:
1niksder wrote:
riggofan wrote:Thanks for posting this. Can anybody explain what this "carry over cash" thing means? Is it something new in the CBA? I didn't really understand when I read it today.

Thanks!


Under the new CBA ( Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) ) teams can request to "carry over" all or a portion of unused cap space from the previous year and that amount will be added to the requesting teams upcoming year's Cap. They simply have to put the amount they want to use in writing and send it to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year, the new league year begins on March 13, the request must be submitted by February 28.



Hey thanks a lot for the explanation, much appreciated. I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

So let's say on March 13 the Redskins are $40m under the salary cap with contracts expiring. And they were $29m or whatever under the cap in 2011. This means they can add that $29m to 2012 and have $69m in cap space for the upcoming season?


Yep, that's how it works. They don't have to use all of it or any of it for that matter but whatever amount they want to use the have to tell the League within the next two weeks (2-28)


frankcal20 wrote:When does free agency actually start? Isn't it in March?


Teams are allowed to start signing free agents at 12AM on March 13
..__..
{o,o}
|)__)
-"-"-

When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hold on....

If the world didn't suck we'd all fall off
User avatar
riggofan
HereComesTheDiesel
HereComesTheDiesel
Posts: 9460
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:29 pm
Location: Montclair, Virginia

Post by riggofan »

1niksder wrote:Yep, that's how it works. They don't have to use all of it or any of it for that matter but whatever amount they want to use the have to tell the League within the next two weeks (2-28)


Wow. That's big! I guess that will be a pretty big indication of what they plan to do in FA when they make that carry over number official this month. Thanks again for the explanation.

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere yet, but some details on NFC East cap room in the NFC East Blog Today. Note the "redskins in the money" portion of the link!

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... -the-money

One of those teams is your Washington Redskins, who are $47,568 million under the projected salary cap (which is expected to be close to last year's $120,375 million). That puts the Redskins in position to re-sign London Fletcher, which they hope to do, and fellow defensive mainstay Adam Carriker if they so choose and still do pretty much whatever they want to do in free agency. The Redskins need a No. 1 wide receiver, offensive line help, secondary help and of course a quarterback. They should be one of the league's most active teams in free agency, though I wouldn't expect a reversion to the old, splashy days in which they just grabbed the biggest names out there. Mike Shanahan has an idea about the kinds of players he wants and a list of specific names he plans to pursue. The Redskins' free-agent period will be well-funded, but it will also be focused and directed, which Redskins fans should appreciate. Something like last year's free agency for them, except with a focus primarily on offense instead of defense.

— The Philadelphia Eagles have about $14.9 million in cap room, so if they have their eye on someone who can help them at linebacker or at safety, or if they want to work on new deals for LeSean McCoy and/or DeSean Jackson, or if they want to sign a free-agent receiver to replace Jackson if they trade him, they'll have the same kind of flexibility they had last year. Oh, and a full offseason in which to integrate any new guys into their system. Which they say they now think is important.

— The Dallas Cowboys are about $12.667 million under the projected cap before the expected restructuring of some current deals. They will be able to seek the help they need for the interior of their offensive line and also hunt for a cornerback or a pass-rusher in free agency, then they should be able to use their first-round draft pick on whichever of those last two things they weren't able to get.

— As for the Super Bowl champion New York Giants, they are one of four teams that has work to do in order to get under the cap by March 13. The Giants project to be about $7.25 million over the salary cap, and will need to restructure (or rid themselves of) Brandon Jacobs' contract and others before they can think about getting serious in free agency. Expect the Giants to look for a tight end but otherwise to focus on their own free agents, with decisions looming on Mario Manningham, Aaron Ross and others. They didn't do much in free agency last year and aren't likely to do so this year either. Difference is, this year they're probably not going to take as much heat for their inactivity. Those Super Bowl runs kind of help with that.
Chris Luva Luva
---
---
Posts: 18887
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:55 pm
Location: AJT
Contact:

Post by Chris Luva Luva »

Mike Shanahan has an idea about the kinds of players he wants and a list of specific names he plans to pursue. The Redskins' free-agent period will be well-funded, but it will also be focused and directed, which Redskins fans should appreciate. Something like last year's free agency for them, except with a focus primarily on offense instead of defense.


Am I the only person that needed a change of pants after reading that?!

The Redskins?? WITH A PLAN?! A VISION??! WHAT....!?!? LOL
The road to the number 1 pick gaining speed!
SkinsJock
08 Champ
08 Champ
Posts: 18385
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:23 pm
Location: New England

Post by SkinsJock »

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Mike Shanahan has an idea about the kinds of players he wants and a list of specific names he plans to pursue. The Redskins' free-agent period will be well-funded, but it will also be focused and directed, which Redskins fans should appreciate. Something like last year's free agency for them, except with a focus primarily on offense instead of defense.


Am I the only person that needed a change of pants after reading that?!

The Redskins?? WITH A PLAN?! A VISION??! WHAT....!?!? LOL


it took a couple of years and some work but these guys have put themselves in a good place

it's a shame that the QB issue here is not at all helped by who is available from both the last draft and this year's crop .... OR the free agent market


these guys do seem to have a plan - we're in for an interesting few months as they help turn this thing around :D
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
DarthMonk
DarthMonk
DarthMonk
Posts: 7047
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:58 pm

Post by DarthMonk »

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The Redskins?? WITH A PLAN?! A VISION??! WHAT....!?!? LOL


Chris! We've always had a plan ... a vision.

Image
Hog Bowl III, V, X Champion (2011, 2013, 2018)

Hognostication Champion (2011, 2013, 2016)

Hognostibowl XII Champion (2017, 2018)


Scalp 'em, Swamp 'em,
We will take 'em big score!
Read 'em, Weep 'em Touchdown,
We want heap more!
Post Reply