why we should trade up for a franchise QB

[1niksder]

Shanahan will be coaching this guy for a week this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x1D-w9z ... re=related

Against the LSU Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDEzCf3 ... re=related

Top End Mobility - 65Yd TD Run versus Top 10 Team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfAUxWP ... re=related

Not to mention that he runs a pro style offense under Mike Sherman. Now, Mike Sherman has (i) coached Tannenhill at Texas A & M, and (ii) he has ties to Gary Kubiak having coached with him at the Houston Texans, and (iii) Sherman has employed a version of the West Coast offense as both a HC, and a coordinator, and (iv) Tannenhill as shown above excels both from the pocket and on the run, and finally (v) Shanahan will have the chance to coach this kid for a week at the Senior Bowl, and might be able to draft him while also picking up more Top 40 picks this year.

BTW: The Year that Mike Sherman was promoted to Offensive Coordinator of the Houston Texans, guess who he promoted to QUARTERBACKS COACH -- Kyle Shanahan.

So while some fans are busy getting all hot and bothered over Luck, Griffin, & Matt Flynn--it might make some sense to pay attention to some other QBS who not only can play, but have a knowledge of our system and the Skills to become elite in it.

WATCH HIS LSU TAPE BEFORE SAYING ANYTHING SILLY PLEASE. WATCH HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET & ON THE RUN. WATCH HIM RUN THE BALL AND SEPARATE FROM THE LSU DEFENSE WHICH IS BASICALLY SEMI-PRO. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

Yeah, but this QB shredded the LSU Defense. I bet he makes it to the Super Bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGJEXyWZDt0

That's just wrong

[riggofan]

Charlie Casserly just said that if a team wants to move up in the top 10 to pick RG3, they'll demand two 1st and another pick based on who, where they are drafting. I'm sure it'll take at a minimum of a 3rd this year or 2013 2nd.

RG3 is only a Jr so he won't be at the Senior Bowl. They also mentioned that he isn't going to decide until Tuesday if he's even going to go pro. I think he will and I also think he's going to end up in Cleveland or another team who comes up to get him like Seattle.

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As a fan, I can stomach two number one's for RGIII. Beyond that it would need to get pretty creative.

As a fan, I might be so hyped to get RGIII that I'd overlook the two number ones. As a realist, I'd be hard pressed to see how a team that is so in need of playmakers could afford to give up first round draft picks.

[The Hogster]

Shanahan will be coaching this guy for a week this month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x1D-w9z ... re=related

Against the LSU Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDEzCf3 ... re=related

Top End Mobility - 65Yd TD Run versus Top 10 Team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfAUxWP ... re=related

Not to mention that he runs a pro style offense under Mike Sherman. Now, Mike Sherman has (i) coached Tannenhill at Texas A & M, and (ii) he has ties to Gary Kubiak having coached with him at the Houston Texans, and (iii) Sherman has employed a version of the West Coast offense as both a HC, and a coordinator, and (iv) Tannenhill as shown above excels both from the pocket and on the run, and finally (v) Shanahan will have the chance to coach this kid for a week at the Senior Bowl, and might be able to draft him while also picking up more Top 40 picks this year.

BTW: The Year that Mike Sherman was promoted to Offensive Coordinator of the Houston Texans, guess who he promoted to QUARTERBACKS COACH -- Kyle Shanahan.

So while some fans are busy getting all hot and bothered over Luck, Griffin, & Matt Flynn--it might make some sense to pay attention to some other QBS who not only can play, but have a knowledge of our system and the Skills to become elite in it.

WATCH HIS LSU TAPE BEFORE SAYING ANYTHING SILLY PLEASE. WATCH HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET & ON THE RUN. WATCH HIM RUN THE BALL AND SEPARATE FROM THE LSU DEFENSE WHICH IS BASICALLY SEMI-PRO. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

Yeah, but this QB shredded the LSU Defense. I bet he makes it to the Super Bowl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGJEXyWZDt0

Well he did make it to the Superbowl. Nonetheless, when evaluating talent, people should look at the QBs skills and how they translate to what we do here on offense.

evaluate: verb: Form an idea of the amount, number, or value of; assess.

I watch Tannenhill's pocket presence, snaps under center, completions off of playaction, snaps in the gun, completions from the gun, throws on the run, his base (lower half of his body), where he's planting his front foot, whether he slides when there's pressure, whether he stands in the pocket in pressure, whether he throws off of his back foot, whether he's releasing the ball at its highest point, whether when running, he gets his shoulders square enough to throw accurately on the run, the depth he gets on his drops (huge when playing QB), and his ability to RUN.

I weigh his abilities to do that more than I do his pure stats in college. And, from my view, he's got a lot of skills that would serve him well in this offense. Even more impressive is how he did it relatively quickly. I like what I see of him, and I like the fact that we could get him without giving away 2 or more drafts worth of top players. Put simply, he's a guy I think we can win with.

[The Hogster]

When this guy runs a 4.55-4.6 at the Combine, and plays well in the Senior Bowl, then people will start to want him. It's the tail wagging the dog when it comes to fans. Instead of watching a guy yourself and giving it your best go at evaluating--we wait for the bandwagon to fill up which is usually driven by the media during pre draft runups.

Remember the media, this time last year, swore up and down that Jake Locker (who most thought would have gone Top 10 the year prior) was no longer worth a 1st round pick. Some people claimed that Cam Newton wasn't worth a #1 pick.

Nobody liked Ponder much either. But low and behold, football people disagreed.

[CanesSkins26]

When this guy runs a 4.55-4.6 at the Combine, and plays well in the Senior Bowl, then people will start to want him. It's the tail wagging the dog when it comes to fans. Instead of watching a guy yourself and giving it your best go at evaluating--we wait for the bandwagon to fill up which is usually driven by the media during pre draft runups.

Remember the media, this time last year, swore up and down that Jake Locker (who most thought would have gone Top 10 the year prior) was no longer worth a 1st round pick. Some people claimed that Cam Newton wasn't worth a #1 pick.

Nobody liked Ponder much either. But low and behold, football people disagreed.

I like Tannehill a lot. As great as it would be to have Luck or RGIII, I think that Tannehill would be a very good alternative. With his limited experience, I'm assuming he'll probably need a year to sit, so I wonder what they would do about next year's starter if they were to draft Tannehll and decide that he needs to sit for a little while. There's the Flynn talk, but I don't know if they want to sign a guy that would likely not have much interest in helping teach/groom a rookie qb.

[Red_One43]

I like Tannehill as well and agree with Hogster and Canes. Tannehill's stock will rise as we get closer to the draft. I believe that he is surely on Shanny's list.


http://nflmocks.com/2011/09/12/ryan-tan ... -m-aggies/

[Red_One43]

Charlie Casserly just said that if a team wants to move up in the top 10 to pick RG3, they'll demand two 1st and another pick based on who, where they are drafting. I'm sure it'll take at a minimum of a 3rd this year or 2013 2nd.

RG3 is only a Jr so he won't be at the Senior Bowl. They also mentioned that he isn't going to decide until Tuesday if he's even going to go pro. I think he will and I also think he's going to end up in Cleveland or another team who comes up to get him like Seattle.

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As a fan, I can stomach two number one's for RGIII. Beyond that it would need to get pretty creative.

As a fan, I might be so hyped to get RGIII that I'd overlook the two number ones. As a realist, I'd be hard pressed to see how a team that is so in need of playmakers could afford to give up first round draft picks.

A playmaking QB is just what a team that lacks playmakers need. He has the arm to go deep. He has the feet to allow our recivers who had trouble getting open get open. Teams would not stack the box with a QB like him. A QB of his skill set would have made a huge difference this year. What I would be hard pressed about is only having to give up two number ones for him. I doubt that that is where the bidding ends. Most likely it begins there. I do get your point about keeping the draft choices. If we can get someone with the arm and the feet for a lot less, AND makes Good decisions, we will be fine. I think Tannehill can fill that bill.

[StorminMormon86]

I saw some show on NFL Network (can't remember which one, just turned on the channel and saw them talking about RGIII) and one of the analysts was talking about RGIII not being a "pocket QB" and how he'd most likley get hurt (a la Michael Vick) several times throughout the year due to his size. Unless RGIII can adapt to become more of a "pocket QB", I doubt Shanahan would have any interest in acquiring him.

[elprez19]

If your in the top 10 in the draft, you would be an idiot to not have interest in RG3. He is a rare talent with intelligence and leadership qualities. Believe me, shanny likes RG3 and loves mobile qbs. Washington post live did an interview with RG3 and asked him what he thought about playing for the redskins and he said something like " I like DC and would like to visit the white house". They then told shanny that and he replied " we can definitely set that up, thats easy".

[The Hogster]

I saw some show on NFL Network (can't remember which one, just turned on the channel and saw them talking about RGIII) and one of the analysts was talking about RGIII not being a "pocket QB" and how he'd most likley get hurt (a la Michael Vick) several times throughout the year due to his size. Unless RGIII can adapt to become more of a "pocket QB", I doubt Shanahan would have any interest in acquiring him.

They always say that about QBs who can run. It's and old, tired, lame argument.

Secondly, when has Shanahan been disinterested in mobile QBs?? Kyle may want statues in the pocket, but he's not the guy making this pick.

If RG3 falls to us at 6, I think it's almost a lock that we draft him. I don't think we are in position to trade up for him, but to think we wouldn't be interested? I can't see that. And, if Tannenhill is in a spot where we don't have to reach for him, I think we'll take him also. Mobile QB is not a bad word. You can win with those guys now while they learn to use their mobility to extend plays rather than run.

Rodgers is mobile, but he uses it to extend plays more than run. Same with Brees & Roethlisberger. RG3 is not Vick. He's not Newton either. He's RG3.

[riggofan]

If RG3 falls to us at 6, I think it's almost a lock that we draft him. I don't think we are in position to trade up for him, but to think we wouldn't be interested? I can't see that.

+1 on that!

Seems like the early chatter I've read and heard on the radio lately is that RGIII could be there at 6 or 7 IF no teams trade up to get him. Kind of a big IF, I know.

I'd certainly have no problem with the team making that pick even if we sign a FA in March. Any chance we can give ourselves to address the QB situation is worth taking.

[StorminMormon86]

I wouldn't be mad if we got RGIII, I just think people are putting too much stock in him before he's even played in an NFL game. And if this Tannehill guy has the same potential as RGIII, why not draft him later and trade down?

[The Hogster]

I wouldn't be mad if we got RGIII, I just think people are putting too much stock in him before he's even played in an NFL game. And if this Tannehill guy has the same potential as RGIII, why not draft him later and trade down?

+1

Because fans always want the hot commodity. Most don't look at players other than the ones who get the most coverage. I'd wager that many of the people who want RG3 so badly now hadn't even heard of him last year.

[emoses14]

I saw some show on NFL Network (can't remember which one, just turned on the channel and saw them talking about RGIII) and one of the analysts was talking about RGIII not being a "pocket QB" and how he'd most likley get hurt (a la Michael Vick) several times throughout the year due to his size. Unless RGIII can adapt to become more of a "pocket QB", I doubt Shanahan would have any interest in acquiring him.

Then the show you saw is populated by morons. Other than possibly the quality of speed each has when running, there isn't one thing those two have in common as far as playing quarterback is concerned. He in fact is a "pocket QB". He just also happens to be damn fast. Think Steve Young, not Mike Vick.

[emoses14]

I wouldn't be mad if we got RGIII, I just think people are putting too much stock in him before he's even played in an NFL game. And if this Tannehill guy has the same potential as RGIII, why not draft him later and trade down?

+1

Because fans always want the hot commodity. Most don't look at players other than the ones who get the most coverage. I'd wager that many of the people who want RG3 so badly now hadn't even heard of him last year.

Or because it doesn't appear to most of us that Tannehill has the same potential that RGIII does? Not sure even you believe that he does.

All any of us have to go on is what we've seen with our own eyes and reading the gluttony of reports on the 2. Not sure that wanting the hot commodity is such an evil when its directed at a quality commodity. Tannehill may be great, may not be. RGIII, the same. But all indications AT THIS TIME point to RGIII being the better prospect of the 2. I get your touting of Tannehill (and I actually agree with the substance of your take, if not the dismissive manner with which you generally comment on those in favor of RGIII).

Putting too much stock in someone before they've even played an NFL game. Umm, isn't that what any draft talk is?

[1niksder]

Tannehill’s agent, confirmed that Tannehill broke the fifth metatarsal in his foot during passing drills in Fla., and might need surgery.

Although recovery from the surgery could keep Tannehill from working out at the scouting combine in February. This might get the Redskins just what I think they need....

Flynn in FA , RGIII with the first pick and another QB, later in the draft.

Tannehill will have his pro day as the only post bowl workouts, this mean he really doesn't have to worry about his stock dropping, until then but a poor showing then will not give him a avenue to redeem himself. I hope it's pouring down raining with tornado warnings on his pro day.

[The Hogster]

I wouldn't be mad if we got RGIII, I just think people are putting too much stock in him before he's even played in an NFL game. And if this Tannehill guy has the same potential as RGIII, why not draft him later and trade down?

+1

Because fans always want the hot commodity. Most don't look at players other than the ones who get the most coverage. I'd wager that many of the people who want RG3 so badly now hadn't even heard of him last year.

Or because it doesn't appear to most of us that Tannehill has the same potential that RGIII does? Not sure even you believe that he does.

All any of us have to go on is what we've seen with our own eyes and reading the gluttony of reports on the 2. Not sure that wanting the hot commodity is such an evil when its directed at a quality commodity. Tannehill may be great, may not be. RGIII, the same. But all indications AT THIS TIME point to RGIII being the better prospect of the 2. I get your touting of Tannehill (and I actually agree with the substance of your take, if not the dismissive manner with which you generally comment on those in favor of RGIII).

Putting too much stock in someone before they've even played an NFL game. Umm, isn't that what any draft talk is?

I agree with all of your post, except the highlighted part. I am a big fan of RG3. I would love for him to be in the B & G as he will pose immediate problems for opposing defenses and we can win with him now as he develops into an even better pro.

I also think he is the better pick between he and Tannenhill. But, I also think he'll be gone before pick 6. So, where I disagree is with those who believe that we should "do whatever it takes" to move up in the draft to take him--and for these reasons.

I think it will cost mulitple high picks to move up. Quite possibly 2 1st round picks, and maybe more. I don't think we are a good enough team to do trade away that much for 1 guy. As a result, I believe it's in the best interest of the Redskins to build in the model of a team like Baltimore, rather than a team like the Falcons did when they moved up to take Vick.

In other words, I am like the guy who loves the 2011 Lamborghini Aventador. I have $500,000 in the bank. But, I have no home and no garage to keep it in. I love the car just like the next guy. But, I realize that I can't afford it yet. I'd rather invest, buy a home first, and maybe shop for a Mercedes or Porsche that can perform at a high level at a fraction of the cost.

Putting RG3 on this team while also trading away 2 years worth of young talent would be like parking a Lamborghini Aventator in the lot front of your apartment and spending the rest of your money on rims.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Putting RG3 on this team while also trading away 2 years worth of young talent would be like parking a Lamborghini Aventator in the lot front of your apartment and spending the rest of your money on rims.

I disagree but would have agreed last year...

Sans injury, there's enough offensive talent for him to succeed here. It's arguable that Rex could have hit .500 if he wasn't benched.

If they Skins go out and get a D. Bowe (lol), in free-agency. Upgrade the line a bit. They'll have a good squad for this kid (or whomever) to manage.

[CanesSkins26]

Tannehill’s agent, confirmed that Tannehill broke the fifth metatarsal in his foot during passing drills in Fla., and might need surgery.

Although recovery from the surgery could keep Tannehill from working out at the scouting combine in February. This might get the Redskins just what I think they need....

Flynn in FA , RGIII with the first pick and another QB, later in the draft.

Tannehill will have his pro day as the only post bowl workouts, this mean he really doesn't have to worry about his stock dropping, until then but a poor showing then will not give him a avenue to redeem himself. I hope it's pouring down raining with tornado warnings on his pro day.

In some ways the Skins just can't catch a break. A few weeks ago it looked like we had (after Luck) to chose from Barkley, RG3, and Jones, with guys like Tannehill later on. Barkley and Jones are out, RG3 might be gone by #6, and now Tannehill, who doesn't have a lot of film on him, will likely only have his pro day to give teams more to evaluate him by.

[The Hogster]

Putting RG3 on this team while also trading away 2 years worth of young talent would be like parking a Lamborghini Aventator in the lot front of your apartment and spending the rest of your money on rims.

I disagree but would have agreed last year...

Sans injury, there's enough offensive talent for him to succeed here. It's arguable that Rex could have hit .500 if he wasn't benched.

If they Skins go out and get a D. Bowe (lol), in free-agency. Upgrade the line a bit. They'll have a good squad for this kid (or whomever) to manage.

Put it this way. If the Skins go out and sign Bowe, or Jackson, & Carl Nicks (or more talent along the O Line) then I would be more comfortable with them making a trade for RG3.

Free Agency opens normally this year (pre-draft) so we will see. I think we'll have a better shot a Bowe because he strikes me as a guy looking for a good deal moreso than a good team. I don't think VJack is looking for a team without a proven QB.

[Chris Luva Luva]

In some ways the Skins just can't catch a break

No. They can't seem to. But, U gotta play the hand that's dealt. If they go up grab RGIII, I won't be mad. If they trade back, I won't be mad. If they get Blackmon, I won't be mad. Heck, if there's a NASTY NT (im talking Ngata nasty) up there, I want him. LOL Whatever they feel is best for the squad.

[RayNAustin]

In other words, I am like the guy who loves the 2011 Lamborghini Aventador. I have $500,000 in the bank. But, I have no home and no garage to keep it in. I love the car just like the next guy. But, I realize that I can't afford it yet. I'd rather invest, buy a home first, and maybe shop for a Mercedes or Porsche that can perform at a high level at a fraction of the cost.

Putting RG3 on this team while also trading away 2 years worth of young talent would be like parking a Lamborghini Aventator in the lot front of your apartment and spending the rest of your money on rims.

I wise guy once told me .... you can live in your car, but you can't drive your house.

[The Hogster]

Tannehill’s agent, confirmed that Tannehill broke the fifth metatarsal in his foot during passing drills in Fla., and might need surgery.

Although recovery from the surgery could keep Tannehill from working out at the scouting combine in February. This might get the Redskins just what I think they need....

Flynn in FA , RGIII with the first pick and another QB, later in the draft.

Tannehill will have his pro day as the only post bowl workouts, this mean he really doesn't have to worry about his stock dropping, until then but a poor showing then will not give him a avenue to redeem himself. I hope it's pouring down raining with tornado warnings on his pro day.

In some ways the Skins just can't catch a break. A few weeks ago it looked like we had (after Luck) to chose from Barkley, RG3, and Jones, with guys like Tannehill later on. Barkley and Jones are out, RG3 might be gone by #6, and now Tannehill, who doesn't have a lot of film on him, will likely only have his pro day to give teams more to evaluate him by.

I look at it as glass half full. If we can't trade up for RG3. Then we have a chance to address other needs, and possibly land Tannenhill with a later pick (assuming his stock is affected by his foot injury). If we suck again, then at least next year's QB draft will be deep.

Nobody wants to acknowledge the possiblity of having a Top 10-15 pick next year, but its possible--especially if by some wicked turn of events we are cursed with having another year of Gross-man to endure.

Gotta keep in mind the fact that the Skins are no longer the FA destination due to the open purse. If another team offers Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb type money and the assurance that he's the guy--we aren't going to get him. If another team offers Cleveland or St. Louis a Vinny Cerratto like trade--we aren't getting RG3.

Those are just the facts--this rebuild will take some time if we do it right.

[The Hogster]

In other words, I am like the guy who loves the 2011 Lamborghini Aventador. I have $500,000 in the bank. But, I have no home and no garage to keep it in. I love the car just like the next guy. But, I realize that I can't afford it yet. I'd rather invest, buy a home first, and maybe shop for a Mercedes or Porsche that can perform at a high level at a fraction of the cost.

Putting RG3 on this team while also trading away 2 years worth of young talent would be like parking a Lamborghini Aventator in the lot front of your apartment and spending the rest of your money on rims.

I wise guy once told me .... you can live in your car, but you can't drive your house.

Classic. Trust me. If I had an Aventador, I would LIVE in it. But, by choice, not necessity.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Gotta keep in mind the fact that the Skins are no longer the FA destination due to the open purse.

The good thing is that, we still seem to land quality FA's who play at a high level. It seems as if players see this as a place on the come-up. I get your point though.