Matt Flynn

Tuck28 · Post by **Tuck28** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:46 pm

I was reading the news on my phone, and I wish I would have paid more attention about who the author was but I didn't. Anyway he mentioned the fact that RGIII, who I really like, would probably go to Cleveland at 4 and the skins would draft a tackle from Iowa. Theen he mentioned that Matt Flynn would be a free agent this off season. My question to you guys is... What do ya'll think?

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:46 pm

The only way I'd be in favor of it is if we cannot land a QB in the draft that can be our Franchise guy. I think Kid Kyle needs a young guy who is essentially a blank slate who can grow into the role he wants. I personally don't think he has the chops to convert a veteran to his system. Just my opinion.

I am not sold on backups on offensive juggernaut teams like Green Bay. Kansas City gave up a king's ransom for Matt Cassell and he's not exactly the next Tom Brady. Same for Kevin Kolb.

As a result, I'd trade down if possible and pick the best player available on Offense with our Top 2 picks.

I think Brandon Weeden would be a Top 10-15 pick if he weren't 28 years old. But, being that he can probably play for another 7 years, I'd take him in a heartbeat especially if it meant that we could pick up another Offensive Tackle, WR, CB etc.

Ryan Tannenhill, Nick Foles etc will be there too. I'm not going to get too enamored of the "hot stock." I was a fan of Christian Ponder and Andy Dalton last year.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:50 pm

I hear that but Flyn and Blackmon would be a nice way to boost the O right out the gates!

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:59 pm

???

ahhhh....these speculation threads should not be on HogWash...???

There's already a Flynn thread on Around the League.....

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:05 am

How much money did Matt Flynn make with his play against the Lions?

Hard to say, although Flynn's market value will be determined long after the glow of Sunday's win has worn off. And the mixed results on recent contracts given to quarterbacks with a small sample size, though larger than Flynn's – see Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Kolb – will be discussed around NFL front offices. Both players were given guarantees in the $20 million range. But again, too soon to tell.

Could the Packers place the Franchise Tag on Flynn and trade him?

They could, but I doubt they will. The one-year tender offer amount of roughly $14.5 million – Aaron Rodgers is scheduled to make $8 million – would immediately become guaranteed were Flynn to sign it. In that event, the Packers would be on the hook for that amount pending a trade, giving Flynn enormous leverage with a trade and/or a new contract.

Further, the Packers have been in negotiations with tight end Jermichael Finley on a new contract, using a relatively low potential Tag number of $5.4 million on Finley as their leverage. They would certainly like to keep that option available.

Finally, the Tag is meant to "reward" players with intent to sign rather than use as a placeholder while trying to trade the player. The NFLPA is keeping a watchful eye on these scenarios.

My sense is the Packers will not use this tool to hold Flynn in place. But, as always, stay tuned.

NFP

I didn't do the breakdown but everything adds up... Here what a Flynn deal might look like:

It’s a breakdown of the contracts looking at what Kolb and Fitzpatrick got in guaranteed money, the money earned in the first 3 years of the deal, and the option clauses and payments

Kolb - 6 years, $65m
Fitzpatrick - 7 years, $62m

Kolb got $21.5m guaranteed ($10m signing bonus, and $11.5m in guaranteed base salaries in 2011 and 2012), will earn $38m in the first three years, and has a $7m option bonus due in March 2012 – the second year of the deal.

Ryan Fitzpatrick got $24m guaranteed ($10m signing bonus, $9m in guaranteed base salaries the first three years and a $5m protected option bonus), will earn $28m over the first 3 years of the deal, and has a $5m option bonus due in March 2012 – the second year of the contract.

So a six year deal worth around $60m is a good place to start.

Term : 6 years
Total Contract value: $60m
Total guaranteed money: $16m
Signing bonus : $10m
Option Bonus (2014): $12m
Total Base salaries : $34m ($6m guaranteed)
Roster bonuses : $4m

Cap Hits per year:
2012 : $4.5m
2013 : $6.5m
2014 : $11.0m
2015 : $12.5m
2016 : $13.5m
2017 : $12.0m

After two years the rookie is more than ready, they can let Flynn go or rework his deal.

Total cost = the first two years of salaries is part of the guaranteed money ($2.5m and $3.5m) + the signing bonus would be a cash payout of $16m or the total that was guaranteed, there would still be about $5/$6m in dead cap on the books in 2014. If the rookie is a bust Flynn would get his $12m bonus and the cap hit would be roughly the same as the dead cap would have been.

Cap hit in 2013 would be about $11.5m if Flynn flops

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:18 am

The Hogster wrote:I am not sold on backups on offensive juggernaut teams like Green Bay. Kansas City gave up a king's ransom for Matt Cassell and he's not exactly the next Tom Brady. Same for Kevin Kolb.

Its a gamble either way though isn't it? Yeah maybe you make a mistake and end up with Kevin Kolb. Or maybe you end up with Trent Green or Matt Schaub.

You can play the same game with drafting a 1st round QB. I'm not sold on drafting a QB in the first round because of Heath Schuler or Ryan Leaf or whoever.

Gotta hope the coaches do a good evaluation and make a good decision.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:11 pm

I don't know enough about Flynn to add anything intelligent to this thread (if I do most of the time anyway:), but what I do know is that they have to explore that possibility.

The skeptic in me (or the beat down Skins fan) tells me that if they sign this guy he will flop, RG3 will be there at 6 and we will trade down and get nobody of note for the trade down and RG3 will go on to have a HoF career. Or we sign Flynn, he flops, RG3 is gone, Blackmon is gone, and we can’t trade down. We sign a CB that doesn’t improve the D much.

I know I have been absolutely against taking Blackmon (or any WR in the top 16), but if we do go down the Flynn route we should at least get him a stout OL or an elite WR. So in that case, signing Fynn and then drafting Blackmon wouldn’t make me vomit. I would still kill the move, but at least I wouldn’t vomit!

But everyone here should know by now, whatever we do about QB it will be the wrong thing!!! I don’t care if we get RG3, trade up to get Luck, take a 2nd round QB or sign Flynn; they would all end up being Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf / David Carr, John Beck or Scott Mitchell. And the other three will be great players.

I know that is pessimistic, but it has been 75 years since we have drafted a franchise QB and 48 years since we acquired one via trade or FA. So I am conditioned to know that we will make a mistake at the QB spot, no matter what we do!

everydayAskinsday · Post by **everydayAskinsday** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:13 pm

IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:11 pm

everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

being a fan of this team, I would take them both and then another one in the 4th or 5th round and HOPE that one of them would pan out, but knowing our history, all three would fail.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:23 pm

everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

That's a good question. You'd kind of have to think if they brought in somebody like Flynn, they would probably look for a QB later in the draft. Its hard to imagine a scenario where they pay a lot for Flynn AND still use that #6 on RGIII.

Who knows though? The rookie wage scale has changed a lot. Maybe its more feasible to do something like that now? Clearly we need two good QBs, so its not like it would be crazy.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:56 pm

I question how good Matt flynn would be in OUR system.. I think w the exp in gb under Rodgers he had a high chance to do well. Now couple that w great recievers to throw to and a pretty good line blocking he didn't really have much chance of NOT blowing it up. Add in the CBs trying to bait him being the back up and all he had to do was make a good choice. Detroit isn't exactly the best in the league against the pass either.
Now that's all speculation but lends itself to why I'm not sold on a guy that would- like any rookie drafted need to learn the system. For me I'd rather RGiii..
I think the FAs we really need to look at are at WR. I know Holmes wants out of NY.. DC? In dreamersville we sign RGiii and Blackmon and kill it for years... what if is fun but I expect any move to be an upgrade over rexy Becksy smh

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:02 pm

everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

It's not that silly... RGIII is NOT NFL ready. He has fundamentals to learn. It is not likely that he will be game ready until deep into the season... if not the following season.

None the less, my thinking is that if the Shanahans deal with and get Flynn, they see him as their quarterback... and will look to do more foundation building on the offense... OL... and WR, and more finishing on the defense... DB's, NT, ILB...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:21 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

being a fan of this team, I would take them both and then another one in the 4th or 5th round and HOPE that one of them would pan out, but knowing our history, all three would fail.

And I'd sign a UDFA, a second Vet FA (not named Rex). That would be sven QBs in camp.... Even with "the Danny" as owner our luck couldn't bethat bad

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:20 am

riggofan wrote:
everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

That's a good question. You'd kind of have to think if they brought in somebody like Flynn, they would probably look for a QB later in the draft. Its hard to imagine a scenario where they pay a lot for Flynn AND still use that #6 on RGIII.

Who knows though? The rookie wage scale has changed a lot. Maybe its more feasible to do something like that now? Clearly we need two good QBs, so its not like it would be crazy.

Someone on the radio (i wish i could rember who; Chris Russle, Scott Paulsen?) said that the offense run in GB is almost idneticle to the one we run. I have no idea if that is true or not, buit the person that said it knows way more about it than i do.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:28 am

Countertrey wrote:
everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

It's not that silly... RGIII is NOT NFL ready. He has fundamentals to learn. It is not likely that he will be game ready until deep into the season... if not the following season.

None the less, my thinking is that if the Shanahans deal with and get Flynn, they see him as their quarterback... and will look to do more foundation building on the offense... OL... and WR, and more finishing on the defense... DB's, NT, ILB...

They said the same thing about Cam Newton, as a matter of fact most people think RGIII is more NFL ready than Cam was when he came out!

Whomever is drafted #6 will be expected to start before the first jacket is needed at FedEx. The #6 overall pick WILL NOT sit for very long and certaily won't sit for two seasons (or even one).

That is one of the reasons I think there is know way in hell Peyton is still a Colt in April if they intend on drafting Luck! Luck will start from day one for team team that drafts him.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:54 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
everydayAskinsday wrote:IF the Redskins sign Matt Flynn does anyone see them taking a QB in the 1st round still?

Lets say RGIII is sitting there at #6 for us... I think it would be a very TOUGH decision for the front office.. in signing Flynn you are essentially saying he is going to be your starter for the foreseeable future and now you have the option to address other holes on your team BUT a kid like RGIII might not come around again and Flynn might be a product of Green Bays system.. What would you do? One reason why its much easier being a fan

It's not that silly... RGIII is NOT NFL ready. He has fundamentals to learn. It is not likely that he will be game ready until deep into the season... if not the following season.

None the less, my thinking is that if the Shanahans deal with and get Flynn, they see him as their quarterback... and will look to do more foundation building on the offense... OL... and WR, and more finishing on the defense... DB's, NT, ILB...

They said the same thing about Cam Newton, as a matter of fact most people think RGIII is more NFL ready than Cam was when he came out!

Whomever is drafted #6 will be expected to start before the first jacket is needed at FedEx. The #6 overall pick WILL NOT sit for very long and certaily won't sit for two seasons (or even one).

That is one of the reasons I think there is know way in hell Peyton is still a Colt in April if they intend on drafting Luck! Luck will start from day one for team team that drafts him.

I was going to make that same point/ask the question "Didn't we hear the same damn thing about Cam Newton?" to use a very recent example of a clearly awesome college QB that beat/played well against elite level teams with tons of NFL talent on them.

And Cam didn't have an entire off season with coaches learning "fundamentals".

AND Cam had not already graduated (in three years) with 3.67 GPA (cited to show RGIII's ability to learn apparently rather quickly).

Was Cam not NFL ready by game 1 due to the "fundamentals" he so clearly lacked in college and had to learn? Even if its true that Luck has already learned these fundamentals AND RGIII has not, that has less to do with their respective grasps of them come game one of 2012 for their NFL teams.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:43 pm

Y'all can continue to cite the exception to the rule (Cam) all you'd like. The reality is, spread quarterbacks typically are behind the curve in learning pro offenses...

The reality is, you don't count on Cam learning to play as quickly as he did... and you WON'T count on RGIII being game ready following training camp, either. Intelligence is one thing... adapting to NFL offenses and defenses, and NFL speed is quite another.

I will not be surprised if Griffin is knocking it out of the park at game one... but I'm not going to be surprised if he is making one mistake after another... or on someone's bench... either.

BTW, I am a huge fan of RGIII... so it's not necessary to convince ME... it's Shanahan that you must convince.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:59 pm

NEWSFLASH: Skins are talking about Flynn

Report: Skins 'very interested' in Matt Flynn Citing sources inside the organization, ESPN 980 Washington's Chris Russell reports the Redskins are "very interested" in free agent QB Matt Flynn.
ESPN's Mel Kiper told reporters earlier in the day that "grapevine" talk suggested the Redskins didn't have a high opinion of Flynn. Russell knows "for sure," though, that coach Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan had a "detailed conversation" two weeks ago on Flynn's six-touchdown, 480-yard performance against the Lions in the regular season finale. Whereas Charley Casserly suggested Flynn wouldn't be a good fit for the Redskins offense, one team source tells Russell the two systems are "almost the same."

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:04 pm

As we move along... I'm thinking Flynn and Weeden... Flynn and Weeden... Flynn and Weeden... but my heart still says Whiff for Griff...

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:19 pm

This is the long version of Chris Russell's report:

http://redskins.espn980.com/bloggers/ch ... want-flynn?

tribeofjudah wrote:NEWSFLASH: Skins are talking about Flynn

Report: Skins 'very interested' in Matt Flynn Citing sources inside the organization, ESPN 980 Washington's Chris Russell reports the Redskins are "very interested" in free agent QB Matt Flynn.
ESPN's Mel Kiper told reporters earlier in the day that "grapevine" talk suggested the Redskins didn't have a high opinion of Flynn. Russell knows "for sure," though, that coach Mike Shanahan and OC Kyle Shanahan had a "detailed conversation" two weeks ago on Flynn's six-touchdown, 480-yard performance against the Lions in the regular season finale. Whereas Charley Casserly suggested Flynn wouldn't be a good fit for the Redskins offense, one team source tells Russell the two systems are "almost the same."

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:14 pm

WELL..........now that the OC from GreenBay has accepted the Miami job, he may likely take Flynn with him to the Fins.

JermichaelF88 Jermichael Finley
A huge congratulations to Joe Philbin on his HEAD COACH position in Miami. No one deserves it more than this guy. The Pack will miss him!

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:17 am

And if Miami doesn't make a run at Flynn, that should tell you something.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:02 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:And if Miami doesn't make a run at Flynn, that should tell you something.

Seems like a reasonable postulation to me...

To Tribe's point... the Redskins are much closer to being a good team than Miami is... and we also know that money talks. Philbin in MIA does not provide much of an advantage in any competition. The Redskins are probably a more attractive option to Flynn than Miami would be.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:54 pm

Countertrey wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:And if Miami doesn't make a run at Flynn, that should tell you something.

Seems like a reasonable postulation to me...

To Tribe's point... the Redskins are much closer to being a good team than Miami is... and we also know that money talks. Philbin in MIA does not provide much of an advantage in any competition. The Redskins are probably a more attractive option to Flynn than Miami would be.

I don't think we're much closer to be a good team than Miami. In my opinion they were close to being a better team than we were by mid season.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:23 pm

GoSkins wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:And if Miami doesn't make a run at Flynn, that should tell you something.

Seems like a reasonable postulation to me...

To Tribe's point... the Redskins are much closer to being a good team than Miami is... and we also know that money talks. Philbin in MIA does not provide much of an advantage in any competition. The Redskins are probably a more attractive option to Flynn than Miami would be.

I don't think we're much closer to be a good team than Miami. In my opinion they were close to being a better team than we were by mid season.

Disagree.

1: Philbin is going to install a new offense. That, alone, sets Miami back.

2: A competent quarterback would have made a difference of up to 4 or 5 wins for the Redskins. Where would that have placed us?

3: The Redskins defense is going to be super solid next year, especially with any improvement in the d-backfield.

4: The O line, as evidenced by the last 3 games, is MUCH closer than anyone thought. There seem to be one or two hidden jewels there. One or two additional starters, and this unit is not only much improved, but appears to have significant depth. The running game was not a product of those impressive rookie RBs alone... they had to have holes. Still work needed, but I'm far less concerned than I thought I would be about this unit. Time spent together improves the pass blocking.

Keep in mind, we were short a solid and improving rookie posession receiver, an excellent tight end, a very solid LG, a DE who appears to be blue chip, and had multiple quality players running game to game.