“He’s a smart guy,” Kyle Shanahan said. “I think you can calm him down a little and make him feel like, ‘Hey, you don’t have to try to make all these plays to win the game. We’re in the game. We’ve got a lead. We can run the ball. We can do this. We can do that.’ Then, you don’t have to do as many risky decisions that he has done in the past.”
But at the same time, he acknowledged that the Redskins do not have a top-tier quarterback on their roster.
“Everybody’s looking for a franchise quarterback,” Kyle Shanahan said. “You want one of those guys that there’s no question about. There’s probably only about five or six of them in the league. Then, there’s a lot of guys who can play and a lot of guys who need to be replaced. You’re always trying to find that one and [we’re] still looking to do it.”
Plainly ambiguous statement. Clearly says nothing clearly, except that every team wants an all-star QB (surprise!!!) and that there are only five or six in the league. (another surprise).
Then, there’s a lot of guys who can play and a lot of guys who need to be replaced. You’re always trying to find that one and [we’re] still looking to do it.
Reading between the lines, Kyle seems to be preparing the fans in the event that Luck or RGIII are not going to be Redskins next year - "there's a lot of guys who can play." My translation - Just because we were unable to get Luck or RGIII doesn't mean that our guy can't get the job done. "We're still looking to do it (find that guy). My translation: Don't worry, Rex ain't our guy.
The Fans are not his intended audience. While I'm sure he'd like to make us all happy, that is secondary to influencing decision making among the front office staff of other teams...
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Doesn't look like RGIII will be there where we pick. Also that the price will be high to get into either Luck or RGIII. I'm sure the FO has a plan, but it may not include either of these 2.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/ ... ources-say
Tivo the GB game today to watch Matt Flynn. I have a sneaky suspicion that he'll be our starter and we draft a guy like Tannehill or Foles later in the draft. Also, expect to see Polumbus line up at RT today. We may have just found a pretty good player as an UFA and then Brown would be our backup tackle.
The Hogster wrote:Both Mike & Kyle made some pretty honest statements about the Redskins' Quarterback situation. Problem if you will. At least they realize they can't "stake their reputations" on these guys anymore--if they ever did.
No offense - and I'm not addressing you directly Hogster - but I'm so sick of fans and radio people throwing out the "stake my reputation" thing like it was some huge blunder by Shanahan. The guy was a COACH about to start the season with one mediocre QB and one unknown QB at best. Was he *really* supposed to come out and say, "You know I am not 100% sure that these guys can get it done, they're just the best guys we could get right now"?
Seriously, if you were a head coach, is that what you would say to build confidence in your QBs?
I think that the Shanahan's brought this on themselves because, of their full-throated endorsement not only of Rex, but of Beck. Sure you need to instill confidence in your QB, the offense, and the fanbase, but their confidence bordered on arrogance. They went a step further by saying essentially that our offensive scheme is totally awesome, and as long as we have a guy who can execute it, we will win games.
We totally could win games if we avoided turnovers, stupid penalties and on defense, giving up long runs all season long.
In regards to the QB position, it is so easy to forget that this offseason there wasn't a true free agency. On top of that, if you look at the FA QB class, the top guy out there was Alex Smith based on record who was always going to be back in SF. Next to him, you would have to go with Matt Moore who I'm sure no one expected to play as well as he did before the concussion. The draft produced us 12 players who 10 have at this point started at least one game. That's building the team and while we didn't get a QB, i think this FO stood true to their draft board because we had so many needs on both sides of the ball. Expect the same this draft while QB being the area of need, they won't overpay. The offense is complex and it'll be tough for a rookie to come in and be an impact. That's why I think we go after a Matt Flynn type guy.
The Hogster wrote:Both Mike & Kyle made some pretty honest statements about the Redskins' Quarterback situation. Problem if you will. At least they realize they can't "stake their reputations" on these guys anymore--if they ever did.
No offense - and I'm not addressing you directly Hogster - but I'm so sick of fans and radio people throwing out the "stake my reputation" thing like it was some huge blunder by Shanahan. The guy was a COACH about to start the season with one mediocre QB and one unknown QB at best. Was he *really* supposed to come out and say, "You know I am not 100% sure that these guys can get it done, they're just the best guys we could get right now"?
Seriously, if you were a head coach, is that what you would say to build confidence in your QBs?
I think that the Shanahan's brought this on themselves because, of their full-throated endorsement not only of Rex, but of Beck. Sure you need to instill confidence in your QB, the offense, and the fanbase, but their confidence bordered on arrogance. They went a step further by saying essentially that our offensive scheme is totally awesome, and as long as we have a guy who can execute it, we will win games.
Yeah I guess that could be, don't really know. Just that particular thing about "stake my reputation" people have really latched on to and blown out of proportion in my opinion. Anyway, no big thing. I'll just be glad not to hear any more about it soon hopefully.
Btw - anybody take note of the numbers Matt Flynn put up today for Green Bay against the Lions? 480 yards and six touchdowns???
Guy is a free agent this March. I'd love to see the Skins go after him. Would really free up our options in the draft.
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Matt Flynn had a great day - it really doesn't matter
Mike & Bruce are going to bring in a FA QB ... AND they are going to draft a QB
ONE THING is really clear - BOTH QBs will be selected on what Mike & Bruce think they can do to help this offense
NOT on what a QB did on a Sunday in Green Bay - THIS IS NOT Fantasy Football
One other thing - it really does not matter one bit what Mike says he likes or does not like about players - he's a liar
he will say or do whatever it takes to make sure he gets what he wants and to mislead everyone
I certainly did not mind that he said he thought Beck was going to be good and that he'd "stake his reputation on it"
are you kidding me - his reputation is worthless - he's a known liar
i'm looking forward to this franchise having a decent QB to start next season
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Matt Flynn had a great day - it really doesn't matter
Mike & Bruce are going to bring in a FA QB ... AND they are going to draft a QB
ONE THING is really clear - BOTH QBs will be selected on what Mike & Bruce think they can do to help this offense NOT on what a QB did on a Sunday in Green Bay - THIS IS NOT Fantasy Football
I get what you're saying but not really my point. Matt Flynn has been mentioned a lot recently as one of the QBs that the Redskins might pursue in the off season. The big issue is that while he's been a backup for four years in Green Bay, he only had one start last year. He threw for 200+ yards and 3 TDs against New England last year. It was huge to get to see him play in this game today AND see him do so well.
I assume Mike and Bruce will look at tape of any free agent QBs. So yeah, "what a QB did on a Sunday in Green Bay" may actually be part of that decision.
Mike will bring in whichever FA QB he thinks will help here
what that QB did today or last week or all his life is past tense - means nothing
Grossman was a QB for a team that got to the big game - he sucks
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
RiC and I have been high on Matt Flynn for a while - what he did today was great
He might fit in here and that would be fine with me - what he did today was just have a great game
NOTHING matters if he comes in here and does not do well
this is the NFL = not for long
I'm just looking for a QB to come in here as a free agent and hold down the job until the next great QB takes over
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Matt Flynn had a great day - it really doesn't matter
Mike & Bruce are going to bring in a FA QB ... AND they are going to draft a QB
ONE THING is really clear - BOTH QBs will be selected on what Mike & Bruce think they can do to help this offense NOT on what a QB did on a Sunday in Green Bay - THIS IS NOT Fantasy Football
I get what you're saying but not really my point. Matt Flynn has been mentioned a lot recently as one of the QBs that the Redskins might pursue in the off season. The big issue is that while he's been a backup for four years in Green Bay, he only had one start last year. He threw for 200+ yards and 3 TDs against New England last year. It was huge to get to see him play in this game today AND see him do so well.
I assume Mike and Bruce will look at tape of any free agent QBs. So yeah, "what a QB did on a Sunday in Green Bay" may actually be part of that decision.
Flynn wouldn't be a bad option, he has real game experince, he's young, won't draw huge interest from teams set on getting their QB out of this draft, and he's a better option than giving up a bunch of picks to draft a rookie that might not be ready to go on day one. If Bradford or Sanchez were options I think Flynn would better a better choice.
PSA: Be Warned of first real off-season of the ShanaAllen plan. The only group other than Gibbs 2.0 to get a third season under the ownership of "the Danny", more in their coffers going into the off-season since the year Vinny returned after Marty had cleared the books.
Under the new CBA money left under the cap in 2011 will be a cap credit for those teams. The Redskins have roughly 45 players under contract for 2012 costing around $83 million. Around $10 million will be the cap credit for Redkins in 2012 + the $3 million credit each team gets to retain 2 Veteran players.
Technically the Redskins have $53 million to play with along with all of their draft picks plus.
Could be SCARY
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1niksder wrote:Technically the Redskins have $53 million to play with along with all of their draft picks plus.
Part of the reason why we haven't improved as quickly as we'd all like is that they had to cut a LOT of fat to get us to this point.
The foundation is laid. Time to pick up the playmakers and plan for next year's campaign.
It is scary. I'm glad we finally have made it to this point, but it is so easy to screw things up here. Just a bad FA acquisition or two can undo a lot of good work that's already been done.
The fact that they've been at it for two years (80% turnover mostly through the draft but with smart young FA also added) and will get a third (Gibbs is the only coach that has worked for "the Danny" for more than two years) is another step in the right direction.
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Red_One43 wrote:Can anyone name some back ups that went to other teams to start and became a franchise QB or at least a decent starter?
I can only think of busts:
Elvis Gerbck Charlie Whitehurt Kevin Kolb - so far All of the Eagle Back ups for that matter
There has got to be at least one in let's say the last 20 years?
Shaub is the only one that I can think of. Flynn was mediocre in college, has a weak arm, and because of 2 good games playing with a high-powered offense is now being vastly overrated. If he were really such a hot commodity, some team would've traded or him after last season. He has "career backup" written all over him, but some team is going to overpay for him.
Red_One43 wrote:Can anyone name some back ups that went to other teams to start and became a franchise QB or at least a decent starter?
I can only think of busts:
Elvis Gerbck Charlie Whitehurt Kevin Kolb - so far All of the Eagle Back ups for that matter
There has got to be at least one in let's say the last 20 years?
Shaub is the only one that I can think of. Flynn was mediocre in college, has a weak arm, and because of 2 good games playing with a high-powered offense is now being vastly overrated. If he were really such a hot commodity, some team would've traded or him after last season. He has "career backup" written all over him, but some team is going to overpay for him.
Thanks - I forgot about Shaub. I knew that there was at least one, but Schaub did have some good starting experience as opposed to Flynn. Good analysis of Flynn. I watched the highlights of his TDs. His receivers made some great plays. I tried picturing him doing that this year on our team with our current personnel. His arm did look suspect on his deep throws.
SkinsJock wrote:RiC and I have been high on Matt Flynn for a while - what he did today was great
He might fit in here and that would be fine with me - what he did today was just have a great game
NOTHING matters if he comes in here and does not do well
this is the NFL = not for long
I'm just looking for a QB to come in here as a free agent and hold down the job until the next great QB takes over
I've been saying for months now since I noticed that Flynn would be a FA this offseason that he's a good guy to get. He plays in the WCO, been a backup for 4 years under Rogers in a system that grooms QBs. These are the VETs you GET!!!! Hell, give him mid 1st round money. Incentive laden contract so it's a win/win. I don't think he's going to be cheap b/c after todays performance, he'll be the top FA QB unless someone crazy comes out, but I doubt it.
CanesSkins26 wrote: Shaub is the only one that I can think of. Flynn was mediocre in college, has a weak arm, and because of 2 good games playing with a high-powered offense is now being vastly overrated. If he were really such a hot commodity, some team would've traded or him after last season. He has "career backup" written all over him, but some team is going to overpay for him.
The Redkins would be the perfect spot for him...
He says he's looking for a place where he can compete for a starting job.
That means he isn't looking for "starters" money and as you call him this career back up would be competing against career back ups until the rookie is ready to challenge him. Klye has been looking for a QB that fits his system since he arrived in Washington, last week he stated the QB doesn't have fit his sytem to suceed. Flynn would be a viable upgrade. Won't cost as much as many think and will be insurance in case the Rookie they want isn't there when they pick.
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CanesSkins26 wrote: Shaub is the only one that I can think of. Flynn was mediocre in college, has a weak arm, and because of 2 good games playing with a high-powered offense is now being vastly overrated. If he were really such a hot commodity, some team would've traded or him after last season. He has "career backup" written all over him, but some team is going to overpay for him.
The Redkins would be the perfect spot for him... He says he's looking for a place where he can compete for a starting job.
That means he isn't looking for "starters" money and as you call him this career back up would be competing against career back ups until the rookie is ready to challenge him. Klye has been looking for a QB that fits his system since he arrived in Washington, last week he stated the QB doesn't have fit his sytem to suceed. Flynn would be a viable upgrade. Won't cost as much as many think and will be insurance in case the Rookie they want isn't there when they pick.
What makes you think that Flynn would be an upgrade? Flynn is about as known of a commodity as Beck was when we got him.
There's really no comparison. Beck had two obvious red flags that Flynn does not.
1) When he started, he wasn't very good (charitably). Flynn has been.
2) When the Skins acquired Beck, two different front offices had given up on him (i.e. why he was available in the first place). Flynn's only going to be available because the Packers can't resign him.
He might be great. He might be a system product. Hopefully the Skins and Packers have enough ties that they can find out how he performs in practice and in the locker room, because based on his performance on the field, Flynn's a freely available above-average QB who knows at least one variant of the WCO inside and out. Hard to dismiss out of hand.
CanesSkins26 wrote: Shaub is the only one that I can think of. Flynn was mediocre in college, has a weak arm, and because of 2 good games playing with a high-powered offense is now being vastly overrated. If he were really such a hot commodity, some team would've traded or him after last season. He has "career backup" written all over him, but some team is going to overpay for him.
The Redkins would be the perfect spot for him... He says he's looking for a place where he can compete for a starting job.
That means he isn't looking for "starters" money and as you call him this career back up would be competing against career back ups until the rookie is ready to challenge him. Klye has been looking for a QB that fits his system since he arrived in Washington, last week he stated the QB doesn't have fit his sytem to suceed. Flynn would be a viable upgrade. Won't cost as much as many think and will be insurance in case the Rookie they want isn't there when they pick.
What makes you think that Flynn would be an upgrade? Flynn is about as known of a commodity as Beck was when we got him.
Actually that's not true. In two games, he's put up more yards than either of these QBs have. Is there any film or stats you have to support your claim b/c as of now, it's only substantiated by an opinion.
Red_One43 wrote:Can anyone name some back ups that went to other teams to start and became a franchise QB or at least a decent starter?
I can only think of busts:
Elvis Gerbck Charlie Whitehurt Kevin Kolb - so far All of the Eagle Back ups for that matter
There has got to be at least one in let's say the last 20 years?
Brett Favre Matt Hasselbeck Trent Green Matt Schaub
are the first that come to mind. I'm sure there's more.
Thanks -
Brett Favre was a different situation. He wasn't a back up who gained noteriety as a back up. He was acquired by the Pack because Ron Wolf the GM liked him a lot. He was also not brought in to start right away. It wasn't until the Magic Man went down did he start.
Trent was the starter in D.C. and not picked up by the Skins after backing up somebody.
Hasselbeck sort of fits but he joined Fromer Packer Coach Holmgren in Seattle with an offense he knew. Much different sit than:
Grbac (Two timer) - Chiefs - at least he made the Pro Bowl, but failed with the Ravens
Whitehurst - Seahawks
Kolb - Cardinals
Yes, Schaub would count because he was traded for to start, but unlike Flynn, Schaub had several injury starts.
- he's a known liar 
