No Luck... so... Now What?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:08 am

I think that we would see Hoyer from MSU before Mallett. Also, Matt Flynn from GB has limited game tape but is a product of good coaching and has played in the WCO. Also, let's look at what's going on in AZ. they just traded for Kolb and have a pretty good QB playing right now. Can't recall his name but he's making plays. Also, there will be some other older QB's who will be a fit to come in for a few years while we groom a QB and can be effective with a full offseason.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:38 am

A trade for Bradford would cost a 1st rounder plus something. Not sure we're going to do that.

Also can't see us bringing in a Free Agent who doesn't know this offense rather than just re-signing Rex.

My suspicion is that we draft a QB and have Rex or Beck here to teach them/play if needed.

Starting from scratch with some other team's backup would be pretty pointless.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:18 am

frankcal20 wrote:I wouldn't bank on the Skins drafting a guy in the 1st round. I think that they're going to hold true to their draft board. Heard on 106.7 today that Shanny and Co didn't like Gabbert at all. That's why they moved out of the pick. That very well could happen again. We can do a whole lot this year in the draft again and may get stuck with a VET at QB for one more year. Don't be shocked if it happens.

If we pass on a QB in the first round, I'd rather acquire a guy like Matt Flynn or even John Skelton to start rather than gutting out another year with Wrecks as the starter. What Vets are out there (that are also worthy of picking up) that are FAs next year?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:24 am

The Hogster wrote:A trade for Bradford would cost a 1st rounder plus something. Not sure we're going to do that.

Also can't see us bringing in a Free Agent who doesn't know this offense rather than just re-signing Rex.

My suspicion is that we draft a QB and have Rex or Beck here to teach them/play if needed.

Starting from scratch with some other team's backup would be pretty pointless.

+1

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:26 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:I wouldn't bank on the Skins drafting a guy in the 1st round. I think that they're going to hold true to their draft board. Heard on 106.7 today that Shanny and Co didn't like Gabbert at all. That's why they moved out of the pick. That very well could happen again. We can do a whole lot this year in the draft again and may get stuck with a VET at QB for one more year. Don't be shocked if it happens.

If we pass on a QB in the first round, I'd rather acquire a guy like Matt Flynn or even John Skelton to start rather than gutting out another year with Wrecks as the starter. What Vets are out there (that are also worthy of picking up) that are FAs next year?

Those were the two vets I mentioned in my earlier post who may be available. Flynn will be a FA and I'm not sure about the status of Skelton. I know he's been in the league 2-3 years. Think he played at Fordham.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:26 am

frankcal20 wrote:I wouldn't bank on the Skins drafting a guy in the 1st round. I think that they're going to hold true to their draft board. Heard on 106.7 today that Shanny and Co didn't like Gabbert at all. That's why they moved out of the pick. That very well could happen again. We can do a whole lot this year in the draft again and may get stuck with a VET at QB for one more year. Don't be shocked if it happens.

Shanahan is on a 5-year contract. There is no way he goes into year 3 without his qb of the future on the roster, especially with 2013 (unless Barkley stays) looking like a very weak qb draft.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:31 am

You're also forgetting about the top QB from NC State, Mike Glennon. Now that's a Mike Shannahan kind of QB.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:35 am

The Hogster wrote:A trade for Bradford would cost a 1st rounder plus something. Not sure we're going to do that.

I agree. Unless the Rams draft a QB and they put out some sort of "bargain deal" for Bradford, I don't think we'll get him.

The Hogster wrote:Also can't see us bringing in a Free Agent who doesn't know this offense rather than just re-signing Rex.

I'm not so sure that Rex knows this offense. He's averaging two turnovers a game. That's unacceptable. You cannot tell me that the risk of acquiring a FA to "learn" the offense in the offseason is greater than sticking with Grossman for another year.

The Hogster wrote:My suspicion is that we draft a QB and have Rex or Beck here to teach them/play if needed.

I agree with this as well. I don't know who'd be the better teacher though. It seems like Beck is the better "student to the game" (studying film, etc.) who may be the better "nuturer" they need. Or maybe they'll stick with Wrecks as the guy who starts a couple of games next year as the placeholder until the new guy is ready.

The Hogster wrote:Starting from scratch with some other team's backup would be pretty pointless.

We're doing that right now with Rex Grossman. And I don't think it would be pointless if we got a younger QB who hasn't had his chance to start and prove himself yet.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:19 pm

If you read the St. Louis sites most think Bradford is a keeper. Seems we are all grasping at straws.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:32 pm

GoSkins wrote:If you read the St. Louis sites most think Bradford is a keeper. Seems we are all grasping at straws.

Exactly. Bradford has been injured, but I haven't heard anything about him being on the hot seat.

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:03 pm

I hear Colt Brennan is looking for work... O:)

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:12 pm

There was a tweet last night that said that the Rams are going to blow it up. But I don't think getting rid of Bradford is the answer if I'm the STL Rams.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:57 pm

frankcal20 wrote:There was a tweet last night that said that the Rams are going to blow it up. But I don't think getting rid of Bradford is the answer if I'm the STL Rams.

It usually starts with the coach.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:01 pm

New coach could mean a new QB. Just sayin'.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:10 pm

Why would the "new" coach just want to get rid of Bradford before getting there? Especially when we don't even know who the new coach would be??

Teams don't just trade young #1 Pick QBs who are playing well. They don't grow on trees.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:32 pm

I'll take Bradford... in a second!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:03 pm

The Hogster wrote:Why would the "new" coach just want to get rid of Bradford before getting there? Especially when we don't even know who the new coach would be??

Teams don't just trade young #1 Pick QBs who are playing well. They don't grow on trees.

The Colts don't have Luck locked up and sealed away. Doubt if they beat the Texans, but they might beat the Jags. That puts them in a tie with the Rams and Vikes if those teams don't win another game. Now, a lot of shifting has to happen before the Rams jump the Colts and the Vikes in a tie breaker of a 2-14 season, but it can happen.

If the Rams have a new Coach and they have the #1 Pick, the new coach might want to go with Luck and trade Bradford. Why? Besdies Luck being the secoming of Peyton, Luck will sell tix, Braford will not.

Now, I am not saying that is Shanny's number 1 option, should this scenario happen. I am saying that if Shanny can't get his guy in the draft, and the above scenario happens, this could be an option. Shanny passed on Bradford once before when the price was too high, he can always pass again and go to another option that I believe that he has already planned. He planned to keep Grossman long term as starter, he would have invested in him - that is a clue that he has other plans developed for getting his QB.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:09 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I think that we would see Hoyer from MSU before Mallett.

This is why I see Mallett as expendable. On Mike's Saturday Mike Shanahan show, he publicly stated that "we" liked Mallett, but he was not arround when they wanted to draft him. Belichick and Shanahan are friends. The might be able to work out a win -win deal. I am not saying that this is Shanny's # 1 Option. I am saying that it is one if who he wants in the draft isn't there.

With so little invested in Grossman and Beck in the last year's offseason, Shanny has to have developed several plans to get his QB this offseason.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:56 pm

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nf ... de/2017911

Not a bad article. It sort of explains possibilities.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:17 am

Red_One43 wrote:[
If the Rams have a new Coach and they have the #1 Pick, the new coach might want to go with Luck and trade Bradford. Why? Besdies Luck being the secoming of Peyton, Luck will sell tix, Braford will not.

It's going to be very hard to trade Bradford, as he carries an enormous cap number. Just read it was $19 million this year...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:11 am

PulpExposure wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:[
If the Rams have a new Coach and they have the #1 Pick, the new coach might want to go with Luck and trade Bradford. Why? Besdies Luck being the secoming of Peyton, Luck will sell tix, Braford will not.

It's going to be very hard to trade Bradford, as he carries an enormous cap number. Just read it was $19 million this year...

That was this year... with him on the team, if they trade him they will have even more money in dead cap next year

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:37 pm

St Louis is not trading Bradford and why should they?

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:27 pm

SkinsJock wrote:St Louis is not trading Bradford and why should they?

Agreed. Let's focus on what is likely to happen.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:46 pm

GoSkins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:St Louis is not trading Bradford and why should they?

Agreed. Let's focus on what is likely to happen.

Rumor is the Rams already are shopping the the pick... asking two 1s and two 2s... price will only go up.

In other words: see title of this thread.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:49 pm

1niksder wrote:
GoSkins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:St Louis is not trading Bradford and why should they?

Agreed. Let's focus on what is likely to happen.

Rumor is the Rams already are shopping the the pick... asking two 1s and two 2s... price will only go up.

In other words: see title of this thread.

Not worth it in my opinion. If you're not getting Luck, whose worth a future mortgage.