No argument (or very little) here from me - just clarification.
markshark84 wrote:DarthMonk wrote:There is absolutely no question that of all QBs in the NCAA, RGIII is the most athletic. It's not even close. What is even better is he has everything else - accuracy, arm strength, intelligence, and character. He totally has the it factor.
He appears to be a hybrid of Vick, Rodgers, Newton, and Renaldo Nehemiah.
I know that's nuts but that is what I see when I watch. He is bigger than Vick (6' 2", 220 #)but smaller than Newton. He's faster than Newton (4.4) and almost as fast as Vick. He throws accurately in the pocket or on the run ala Rodgers.
He ran a 49 in the 400 meter hurdles as a
high school junior.
Let's get this guy.
DarthMonk
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think RG is a better athlete and is a great qb without some of the help those guys have. Kinda hard to compare but he is a beast. More tds then Inc passes over half way through the year? Ya ill take it
I agree that RGIII has great potential, but I don't understand why you use his athletism as the prime example. For a QB, athletism is not a make or break attribute for a QB. The best QBs in the league aren't super-athletic types: see Brady, Manning, Brees, Schaub, Roethlisburger, Stafford, etc. A QB should stay in the pocket at least 75% of the time -- so that is what you need to focus on; not the 10-20% of the time they roll out and make a pass. It's great if they can do it (like Rodgers), but most can. I am confident that Barkley and Jones can both adequately run a bootleg pass option.
My main deal here was what I was responding to. I was responding to this: "I
THINK RG is a better athlete ..." Thus, my reply focuses on his INCREDIBLE athleticism and elevates "I think ..." to
CERTAINTY.
markshark84 wrote: Also -- speed DOES NOT MATTER at the QB position -- at all. Tom Brady ran a 5.28 40, Rivers ran a 5.08, Brees a 4.88, -- most run it between 4.7 - 4.9. And even when they run it in the sub-4.7 range -- it never makes a difference
I agree and disagree. To say speed at QB
NEVER makes a difference is overstating your case. I should not have to explain why but briefly - do you think Cam Newton's speed has made a difference in his 13 rushing TDs?. Overall though, I agree that speed at this position is usually less important than many other factors.
markshark84 wrote:In terms of the more tds than ints -- he runs a spread offense and the majority of his passes are on the short side. The fact that he has more TDs than INTs shows he has top flight accuracy on short to mid range passes. I was watching a highlight reel of a couple of his games and close to 85% were passes thrown under 10 yards, but YAC was high. He does have good accuracy on those types of throws, but I did not see enough on the +20 yards to form a conclusion.
I believe it is more Tds than
INCOMPLETIONS!!! - a startling stat!
markshark84 wrote:With all this said, he still can be a great QB in the league -- I have no doubt. He is super smart and a great person. He is a leader and has all the intangibles. I just do not think that speed and athletism are going to be the attributes that directly result in him becoming a top QB. I would prefer to hear his top attributes as being laser accuracy and ability to find open receivers.
Which is why I included the tag "
What is even better is he has everything else - accuracy, arm strength, intelligence, and character. He totally has the it factor."
I think "laser accuracy" describes him well. He has a cannon. He can make every throw. He can make them on the move while maintaining accuracy. He can extend plays and actually tends to look for the throw before taking off - and when he takes off he's deadly.
As the Genie Robin Williams once said: "are you gonna love this guy."
DarthMonk
