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Baylor QB Robert Griffin III Beats Andrew Luck Wins Heisman
So much for Suck for Luck. It's Suck for Griffin III now.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/12/1 ... or-baylor/
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/12/1 ... or-baylor/
as I posted elsewhere
I LOVE that R Griffin III won the Heisman - BIG congratulations to him & his family
Hope he makes the top 10 in the draft - he will NOT be taken before Luck or Barkley
I LOVE that R Griffin III won the Heisman - BIG congratulations to him & his family
Hope he makes the top 10 in the draft - he will NOT be taken before Luck or Barkley
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Re: Baylor QB Robert Griffin III Beats Andrew Luck Wins Heis
Peyton Manning didn't win the Heisman either amd I think someone coined "Whiff for Griff" as the slogan to get him.SprintRightOption wrote:So much for Suck for Luck. It's Suck for Griffin III now.
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Andrew Luck looks a lot bigger compared to the other guys. I just checked his stats. He is 6ft 4inches 235lbs, while Griffin is 6ft 2in. 220lbs.SkinsJock wrote:as I posted elsewhere
I LOVE that R Griffin III won the Heisman - BIG congratulations to him & his family
Hope he makes the top 10 in the draft - he will NOT be taken before Luck or Barkley
Did anyone notice who won the Heisman last year? - where is he now?
- Griffin III had a great year and thoroughly deserved the Heisman
Andrew Luck is so far ahead of R Griffin III as far as their potential in the NFL is concerned - NOT even close
- Griffin III had a great year and thoroughly deserved the Heisman
Andrew Luck is so far ahead of R Griffin III as far as their potential in the NFL is concerned - NOT even close
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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I'm still in favor of Matt Barkley for the Skins. But, I would not be mad if we take RG3. He seems like a quality character guy, and is obviously talented. When standing next to Luck, he doesn't appear 2 inches shorter. Either Luck isn't 6'4 or he isn't 6'2, we will find out at the Combine.
I prefer Barkley because I believe that our OC wouldn't know how to use RG3 anyway. Kyle isn't flexible enough. I think Barkley will be a great pro, and his skills fit the mold of what it appears that Kyle wants.
If they're willing to tweak the offense to win with RG3, I'm all for it. But, I doubt they are.
I prefer Barkley because I believe that our OC wouldn't know how to use RG3 anyway. Kyle isn't flexible enough. I think Barkley will be a great pro, and his skills fit the mold of what it appears that Kyle wants.
If they're willing to tweak the offense to win with RG3, I'm all for it. But, I doubt they are.
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I'm still in favor of Matt Barkley for the Skins. But, I would not be mad if we take RG3. He seems like a quality character guy, and is obviously talented. When standing next to Luck, he doesn't appear 2 inches shorter. Either Luck isn't 6'4 or he isn't 6'2, we will find out at the Combine.
I prefer Barkley because I believe that our OC wouldn't know how to use RG3 anyway. Kyle isn't flexible enough. I think Barkley will be a great pro, and his skills fit the mold of what it appears that Kyle wants.
If they're willing to tweak the offense to win with RG3, I'm all for it. But, I doubt they are.
I prefer Barkley because I believe that our OC wouldn't know how to use RG3 anyway. Kyle isn't flexible enough. I think Barkley will be a great pro, and his skills fit the mold of what it appears that Kyle wants.
If they're willing to tweak the offense to win with RG3, I'm all for it. But, I doubt they are.
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Heisman winning QB's scare me. They almost always such in the prod. Sure there are some that overcome that, but it still gives me pause.Smithian wrote:Future Redskin.
I haven't watched any of the top college QBs, but from what I've read RGIII seems to be a very accurate kid with over the top athleticism and he is smart, hard worker to boot!
Seems like his only two knocks are his experience and the Heisman.
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He actually has a lot of expierience. He has started 3 years. Was redshirted his sophmore year after an injury. His numbers got better every year he played.skinsfan#33 wrote:Heisman winning QB's scare me. They almost always such in the prod. Sure there are some that overcome that, but it still gives me pause.Smithian wrote:Future Redskin.
I haven't watched any of the top college QBs, but from what I've read RGIII seems to be a very accurate kid with over the top athleticism and he is smart, hard worker to boot!
Seems like his only two knocks are his experience and the Heisman.
I'd love to have him. super smart and athletic,
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Gibbs???Warmother wrote:He actually has a lot of expierience. He has started 3 years. Was redshirted his sophmore year after an injury. His numbers got better every year he played.skinsfan#33 wrote:Heisman winning QB's scare me. They almost always such in the prod. Sure there are some that overcome that, but it still gives me pause.Smithian wrote:Future Redskin.
I haven't watched any of the top college QBs, but from what I've read RGIII seems to be a very accurate kid with over the top athleticism and he is smart, hard worker to boot!
Seems like his only two knocks are his experience and the Heisman.
I'd love to have him. super smart and athletic,
Joe Gibbs would take the smart guy who can throw long and accurately. That was Rypien, and, thinking about it, I'm not sure any Redskin QB since then has been as good.
Maybe there's a risk: Shuler, Ramsey, and Campbell were first rounders, and Shuler was drafted back-to-back with Trent Dilfer. Considered the best of that year.
Ryan Leaf?
Maybe there's a risk: Shuler, Ramsey, and Campbell were first rounders, and Shuler was drafted back-to-back with Trent Dilfer. Considered the best of that year.
Ryan Leaf?
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The "Whiff for Griff" campaign was coined by me, as a tongue in cheek response to an out of control poster who stole an earlier tongue in cheek campaign (Suck for Luck) and, apparently, went over the edge.
I really like RGIII, a lot. He is going to be a superior NFL quarterback. Super disciplined. Super smart. Super athletic, and a Super leader. He is not, however, NFL Ready. I would not be at all unhappy if he is selected by the Redskins, but it does mean that we will suffer through at least part of a season with Grossman, or some other journeyman, as our quarterback.
I expect that, if he comes out, Matt Barkley will be selected by the skins... I'm fine with that, too... had I found another verb for "miss" that rhymed with Barkley... I'd have used it... Barkley IS NFL ready, and will likely be ready to run, if not the first game, then within a few weeks of the start of the season.
I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
I really like RGIII, a lot. He is going to be a superior NFL quarterback. Super disciplined. Super smart. Super athletic, and a Super leader. He is not, however, NFL Ready. I would not be at all unhappy if he is selected by the Redskins, but it does mean that we will suffer through at least part of a season with Grossman, or some other journeyman, as our quarterback.
I expect that, if he comes out, Matt Barkley will be selected by the skins... I'm fine with that, too... had I found another verb for "miss" that rhymed with Barkley... I'd have used it... Barkley IS NFL ready, and will likely be ready to run, if not the first game, then within a few weeks of the start of the season.
I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
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I knew I'd heard that before!frankcal20 wrote:Gibbs???Warmother wrote:He actually has a lot of expierience. He has started 3 years. Was redshirted his sophmore year after an injury. His numbers got better every year he played.skinsfan#33 wrote: Heisman winning QB's scare me. They almost always such in the prod. Sure there are some that overcome that, but it still gives me pause.
I haven't watched any of the top college QBs, but from what I've read RGIII seems to be a very accurate kid with over the top athleticism and he is smart, hard worker to boot!
Seems like his only two knocks are his experience and the Heisman.
I'd love to have him. super smart and athletic,

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I'm hoping we get Barkley but either RG III or Barkley will be good NFL QBs for a long time
I hope that we get a good QB and I would NOT base any credence AT ALL - in selecting a QB that suits what Kyle wants
we need a good QB that can be the Redskins QB for many years after Kyle is gone
I hope that we get a good QB and I would NOT base any credence AT ALL - in selecting a QB that suits what Kyle wants
we need a good QB that can be the Redskins QB for many years after Kyle is gone
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Countertrey wrote: I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so). Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back th other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.Countertrey wrote: I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so). Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back the other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.

I'm not sure exactly who the top 4 are but 2 of them are Luck and Barkley or Griffin - I just find it hard to fathom that any of those guys are going to 'flop' - now the fact that all 3 might not be good QBs is one thing - to intimate that 1 is going to be a 'flop' AND to base that on stats just makes me mad
I think that all 3 will help the teams and offenses they play with over the time they spend in the NFL
I highly doubt that there are ANY NFL scouts OR FO people on decent programs that think about what the past stats say about the prospects they are considering coming out of college
I can hear it now - "we can't take that guy, he'd be the 3rd LB picked in the 2nd round ... 'stats' have shown that the 3rd LB taken in the 2nd round is a bust every time ... "
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME
this is probably the kind of thinking that Dumb & Dumber used here
"Let's not use draft picks - so many of them are just huge gambles, let's give them to another team"
I'll make one other comment here - the most important thing that this FO does differently that the previous guys in charge here is that they, FOR THE MOST PART, have added players that help make this franchise deeper, younger AND most importantly, have helped make the other players around them better
this is key - we often hear about how many players in the top 2 rounds do not fulfill their perceived potential - BUT you've got to appreciate the effort and drive to be better by the many players that are taken in rounds 3 thru 7 and who become big time NFL players
THat IS THE KEY HERE with this FO - they have to keep adding those low round picks that are really diamonds in the rough
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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No I'm NOT freaking kidding you. No I don't mean the first two guys will be good and the next two will suck, I don't know how you got that out of what I posted.SkinsJock wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.Countertrey wrote: I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so). Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back the other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.this is amazing to me - 2 of the top 4 NFL QBs that are drafted will 'flop'
I'm not sure exactly who the top 4 are but 2 of them are Luck and Barkley or Griffin - I just find it hard to fathom that any of those guys are going to 'flop' - now the fact that all 3 might not be good QBs is one thing - to intimate that 1 is going to be a 'flop' AND to base that on stats just makes me mad
I think that all 3 will help the teams and offenses they play with over the time they spend in the NFL
I highly doubt that there are ANY NFL scouts OR FO people on decent programs that think about what the past stats say about the prospects they are considering coming out of college
I can hear it now - "we can't take that guy, he'd be the 3rd LB picked in the 2nd round ... 'stats' have shown that the 3rd LB taken in the 2nd round is a bust every time ... "
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME
What I'm saying is if you look back at the first round QBs drafted over the past 20 years more than half of them flop, another quarter are just OK and less than 25% (actually much less) of the QBs taken are legitimist franchise guys. Of course this probably holds true with other positions to some extent too.
NO I’M NOT SAYING THAT TWO WILL BE BUST! What I'm saying is the olds say two of them will likely be flops, busts, failures, or whatever label you want to put on a QB that can’t play.
You would have to be a moron not to acknowledge the risk. And you would be even more of a fool if you don't think the teams aren't aware of this!
So, no, the team won't be swayed by the fact that half of the QBs that are drafted in the first round are likely to be bust, but I guarantee the teams know the statistics on draft successes and failures at each and every position. And they will weigh that risk!
This is the list for 1st round pick over the years from 1990 to 2009. I didn’t include 2010 and 2011 because it is just too soon to judge them. You tell me which player are legit franchise QBs and which ones are so-so and which are bust:
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2009
Matthew Stafford
2009
Mark Sanchez
2009
Josh Freeman
2008
Matt Ryan
2008
Joe Flacco
2007
JaMarcus Russell
2007
Brady Quinn
2006
Vince Young
2006
Matt Leinart
2006
Jay Cutler
2005
Alex Smith
2005
Aaron Rodgers
2005
Jason Campbell
2004
Eli Manning
2004
Philip Rivers
2004
Ben Roethlisberger
2004
J.P. Losman
2003
Carson Palmer
2003
Byron Leftwich
2003
Kyle Boller
2003
Rex Grossman
2002
David Carr
2002
Joey Harrington
2002
Patrick Ramsey
2001
Michael Vick
2000
Chad Pennington
1999
Tim Couch
1999
Donovan McNabb
1999
Akili Smith
1999
Daunte Culpepper
1999
Cade McNown
1998
Peyton Manning
1998
Ryan Leaf
1997
Jim Druckenmiller
1995
Steve McNair
1995
Kerry Collins
1994
Heath Shuler
1994
Trent Dilfer
1993
Drew Bledsoe
1993
Rick Mirer
1992
David Klingler
1992
Tommy Maddox
1991
Dan McGwire
1991
Todd Marinovich
1990
Jeff George
1990
Andre Ware
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skinsfan#33 wrote:I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so).
Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back the other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.
You postedskinsfan#33 wrote:No I don't mean the first two guys will be good and the next two will suck, I don't know how you got that out of what I posted.
then you postedStats say that two of the top four QBs will flop
I’M NOT SAYING THAT TWO WILL BE BUST! What I'm saying is the odds say two of them will likely be flops, busts, failures, or whatever label you want to put on a QB that can’t play.



btw - RG III will take a while to get ready to play so you'll have a few months to figure it all out
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I did mean what I posted. I'm having a hard time understanding why you can't get the fact that I was talking about the odds or the average. I didn't think I need to insult your intelligence by spelling out out like I was talking to a 5 year old.SkinsJock wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so).
Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back the other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.You postedskinsfan#33 wrote:No I don't mean the first two guys will be good and the next two will suck, I don't know how you got that out of what I posted.then you postedStats say that two of the top four QBs will flopI’M NOT SAYING THAT TWO WILL BE BUST! What I'm saying is the odds say two of them will
likely be flops, busts, failures, or whatever label you want
to put on a QB that can’t play.
I'm sorry but I took it to mean what you posted, is all
but now I'm not sure what that was
btw - RG III will take a while to get ready to play so you'll have a few months to figure it all out
Let me try.
If you toss a coin 10 times the stats says it will come up heads 5 times. Now does that mean it WILL come up head 5 times? No, of course not. But what it does mean is if you flip that coin enough half of the time it will be heads and half of the time it will be tails.
The stats say, bases on past draft history that most of the QB selected won't end up being a franchise QB and the majority will be flops.
I gave you the list. You decide who you consider a franchise QB, an average QB, or a flop. Make up any list you want, but it will have over half of them being flops.
So, half of the first round QBs that are selected in the first round will likely flop, or the stats say the odds are they will flop.
I hope this helps, because I don't think I can make what I was trying to say any more clear!
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no worries
I just do not agree with the words that YOU posted:
I just do NOT agree that this applies to the top 4 QBs this year
I do NOT agree that NFL guys will consider that % with the top 4 QBs this year or any year
we shall see soon
I just do not agree with the words that YOU posted:
I understand that stats show that 50% of the QBs will 'flop'Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so)
I just do NOT agree that this applies to the top 4 QBs this year
I do NOT agree that NFL guys will consider that % with the top 4 QBs this year or any year
we shall see soon

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Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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RGIII has the greatest chance of flopping because he has the most work to do. Doesn't really play under center, tends to bail out of the pocket too soon, needs to work on his footwork, etc. The transition from spread to pro style is a lot more difficult than people think.SkinsJock wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:I really hope one of them finds his way to the Skins (I'm starting to lean towards RGIII), but one thing to caution is what NFL stats say.Countertrey wrote: I don't see either of these young QB's missing. Both will have successful careers... One of them will have that career with the Redskins. Hail.
Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so). Of course so-so would be an improvement in our QB situatuion.
There have been so many good first round QBs lately that I'm afraid the tide will swing back the other way and it kind of looks like it started with Gabbert.
The fear that 2 or 3 of these guys won't be franchise QBs makes me want to lean in the direction of RGIII. The worst we get with him is an extremely athetic, hard working, "super Smart" player. He may not be the next coming of Peyton, Johnny U, or Slinging Sammy, but he will have the tools to win us a LOT OF GAMES.this is amazing to me - 2 of the top 4 NFL QBs that are drafted will 'flop'
I'm not sure exactly who the top 4 are but 2 of them are Luck and Barkley or Griffin - I just find it hard to fathom that any of those guys are going to 'flop' - now the fact that all 3 might not be good QBs is one thing - to intimate that 1 is going to be a 'flop' AND to base that on stats just makes me mad
I think that all 3 will help the teams and offenses they play with over the time they spend in the NFL
I highly doubt that there are ANY NFL scouts OR FO people on decent programs that think about what the past stats say about the prospects they are considering coming out of college
I can hear it now - "we can't take that guy, he'd be the 3rd LB picked in the 2nd round ... 'stats' have shown that the 3rd LB taken in the 2nd round is a bust every time ... "
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME
this is probably the kind of thinking that Dumb & Dumber used here
"Let's not use draft picks - so many of them are just huge gambles, let's give them to another team"
I'll make one other comment here - the most important thing that this FO does differently that the previous guys in charge here is that they, FOR THE MOST PART, have added players that help make this franchise deeper, younger AND most importantly, have helped make the other players around them better
this is key - we often hear about how many players in the top 2 rounds do not fulfill their perceived potential - BUT you've got to appreciate the effort and drive to be better by the many players that are taken in rounds 3 thru 7 and who become big time NFL players
THat IS THE KEY HERE with this FO - they have to keep adding those low round picks that are really diamonds in the rough
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I agree, that it may not hold true with the top for on this draft and never intended to imply that it will. I was just trying to point out that the odds are that it could. Maybe I did a poor job of conveying that thought.SkinsJock wrote:no worries
I just do not agree with the words that YOU posted:
I understand that stats show that 50% of the QBs will 'flop'Stats say that two of the top four QBs will flop, one will succeed, and one will be OK to good (or so-so)
I just do NOT agree that this applies to the top 4 QBs this year
I do NOT agree that NFL guys will consider that % with the top 4 QBs this year or any year
we shall see soon
I was just trying to point out that historically two of the guys probably will flop. Personally I hope they on turn out to be franchise QBs, but it just isn't realistic to expect that.
I hope none of them fail and they all buck the odds, but I'm not holding my breath.
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain"
(It is time to roll the dice) Tai'shar Manetheren
"Duty is heavier than a Mountain, Death is lighter than a feather" Tai'shar Malkier
RIP James Oliver Rigney, Jr. 1948-2007
(It is time to roll the dice) Tai'shar Manetheren
"Duty is heavier than a Mountain, Death is lighter than a feather" Tai'shar Malkier
RIP James Oliver Rigney, Jr. 1948-2007
no worries - I take things too literally too often
It's a fact (not just a stat) that a high percentage of top rated college QBs do not do well in the NFL
I see that Canes thinks that RG III might not work out
I'd think that he's going to have a great attitude and be V motivated to do well
We are most likely not getting Luck or Barkley - Griffin III might be our QB - that's a good thing
It's a fact (not just a stat) that a high percentage of top rated college QBs do not do well in the NFL
I see that Canes thinks that RG III might not work out
I'd think that he's going to have a great attitude and be V motivated to do well
We are most likely not getting Luck or Barkley - Griffin III might be our QB - that's a good thing
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)