To Win or Not to Win?

Redskins_Fanatic · Post by **Redskins_Fanatic** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:47 pm

Red_One43...... You're welcome.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:20 am

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:CT, what makes you think that I concern myself with whether or not any of you care about what I believe? Only 3 people on this planet that I care about.... ME, MYSELF, and I.

Why is it when anyone responds to your posts, it automatically means they care about what you believe, but your responding to their posts doesn't mean you care what they believe?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:26 am

Red_One43 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:To win or not to win, that is the question

...

How about us fans?
You play the game to win. What a butt stupid post.
Red_One43 wrote:
To win or not to win? ]There is no question! "Just Win, Baby!" "You play to win the game!! AND as a fan, you want your team to just win, baby! You want your team just play to win the game! Let all the draft choice stuff settle itself itself on the field, fans pull for your team to win.

Fair enough. I've read so many of those at this point my eyes glaze over. But I still think you're over complicating it. A winning culture for a team of 50 people isn't something you get with one player and turn on and off. It's a culture you develop over time and you don't get there by losing on purpose.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:42 am

AMAZING that fans think that we're going to have a better chance at success based on picking a few spots higher
this is probably because this franchise has not done well with drafting QBs lately

this franchise is now in the hands of guys that have drafted and brought in players that have turned out pretty well considering

we will be fine no matter where we pick in the draft because the guys in charge have a clue

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:48 am

SkinsJock wrote:we will be fine no matter where we pick in the draft because the guys in charge have a clue

+1

Win as many games as possible for the rest of the year. Screw this "suck for Luck" nonsense. We will be fine.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Winning brings no more joy to me than my car starting when I turn the key in the morning. It is the EXPECTED RESULT. If you're getting giddy over a win (other than the Super Bowl), your expectations are too low.

Sports are not about MONEY in my mind. They're about WINNING. If you're focused on the money, you're focused on the wrong thing.

Three questions:
1. Can you really not see the contradiction in your own words?

2. If winning is the expected result, how can your expectations be too low?

3. Why bother following any team at all, if winning every game is the expected result? There is nowhere to go but down. Winning without the possibility of losing seems kinda boring to me.

Redskins_Fanatic · Post by **Redskins_Fanatic** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:04 pm

Deadskins wrote:1. Can you really not see the contradiction in your own words?

There is no contradiction there, Deadskins. Sports are about winning, and winning only. Always have been and always will be. That is why winning is the expected result. If you do not believe you have a chance to win, the smart team STAYS HOME and does not bother wasting their time or the time of their fans.

Deadskins wrote:2. If winning is the expected result, how can your expectations be too low?

Winning is the expected result. TOTAL DOMINATION is what one should truly be striving for when one engages in any form of competition.

Deadskins wrote:3. Why bother following any team at all, if winning every game is the expected result? There is nowhere to go but down. Winning without the possibility of losing seems kinda boring to me.

Winning without the possiblitiy of losing is actually a lot of fun. It provides the opportunity to truly see the fear and pain in your opponent's eyes. To see them totally defeated. I had that opportunity on a number of occasions working with the football team at the high school I attended, and came to realize the sheer and utter pleasure in knowing that you had won the game simply by showing up.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:09 pm

You don't get it and you never will.

Redskins_Fanatic · Post by **Redskins_Fanatic** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:11 pm

Deadskins wrote:You don't get it and you never will.

Apparently not, Deadskins.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:35 pm

BTW your "car starting" analogy sucks. If your car starting is the expected result (nothing to get pumped about), what is the better than expected result? Like I said, your way has nowhere to go but down, which is why you are always dissapointed.

Redskins_Fanatic · Post by **Redskins_Fanatic** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:16 pm

Deadskins wrote:BTW your "car starting" analogy sucks. If your car starting is the expected result (nothing to get pumped about), what is the better than expected result? Like I said, your way has nowhere to go but down, which is why you are always dissapointed.

Why does there have to be a "better than expected" result, Deadskins? Obviously in some cases there is, but in many cases there really isn't any need for a situation where a "better than expected" result exists.

As for having nowhere to go but down.... so what? These are MY expectations, not necessarily yours or anyone else's. I learned long ago that life is not a box of chocolates, but rather a box of something else dark in color and rather mushy.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:14 pm

WIN WIN WIN !!!!!

Anything else is unacceptable under ALL scenarios.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:01 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote: You play the game to win. What a butt stupid post.
Red_One43 wrote:
To win or not to win? ]There is no question! "Just Win, Baby!" "You play to win the game!! AND as a fan, you want your team to just win, baby! You want your team just play to win the game! Let all the draft choice stuff settle itself itself on the field, fans pull for your team to win.
Fair enough. I've read so many of those at this point my eyes glaze over. But I still think you're over complicating it. A winning culture for a team of 50 people isn't something you get with one player and turn on and off. It's a culture you develop over time and you don't get there by losing on purpose.

My post was a play on words (To Be or Not to Be) response to those Redskin fans who say that we should lose games to get a better draft position. I believe my post got its point across to its intended audience. Nt saying it changed minds, but it got it's point across. Didn't it feel good to win another game? Not taking about culture, but just as a fan of the Redskins cherishing the winning feeling.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:38 am

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:03 am

there is absolutely NO WAY that players or coaches can practice & play "to lose" on Sundays

we'd all like to be in the top 5 - it is MUCH MORE important to continue to add players that make the other players better

We WILL have a good QB here next season

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