Players we've LET GO....!!!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:37 pm

It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?

As for Carter, the points have already been made in this thread. If you really wanted to retain (a) a 30+ year old player whose impact has been so-so, who (b) doesn't fit the new scheme going forward and will not be a key player on a rebuilding team . . . well . . . if you really wanted to retain him, I don't know what to say.

I can see the argument for keeping Jason Campbell. Surely he'd have performed better than Beck and probably Grossman. (Not that critics would be any quieter as a result.) But then again, he was the starter here, and it's not common for a starter in his prime, making #1 money, to sit on the bench for a few years while your team rebuilds. Campbell was not the long-term solution, but if it could have worked out to have him as a backup, we'd probably be better off.

I agree with most people here concerning Ryan Clark. That one is purely on Snyder, who was doing all of the player negotiations at the time and basically told Clark he could go screw himself because no team would beat what we were offering. What a surprise that Snyder's ego is behind one of the worst personnel screwups of the last eight years (or so).

The coulda woulda talk is mildly interesting, but again I can hardly take this thread seriously as some kind of discussion of Redskins failures. Letting good players go just hasn't been a feature of this team.

vwoodzpusha · Post by **vwoodzpusha** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:50 pm

frankcal20 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I tried to tell yall that Rodgers was good but....lol, I don't know why I wasted my breath.

Anyway, if contacts were the issue all along, Rodgers was at fault for not buying them.... #shrug
If his eyes have been bad his whole life, how is he to know that they are bad. It's all he knows. But I know when I get a basic physical every year, that's one of the first things the Dr checks. Sorry but that's on the team 1st in my opinion.

It is on the team to check his eyes? If his eyes were that bad he couldnt catch a football then wouldnt they be that bad in his normal everyday life? And he didnt notice? It never occured to him "Hey I cant read that street sign 10 feet in front of me because it's blurry" Come on....

I always thought Carlos was an awesome DB. He shut people down in coverage but part of being a DB is getting picks, and helping change the game for your team. A lot of the problem is he would NEVER admit that his drops were an issue. If I remember correctlyagainst Pittsburgh he had a surefire pick 6 when the game was 10-6 and he dropped it. After the game he was asked about it and said something along the lines of that it didnt affect the outcome of the game.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:18 pm

LET IT GO

we'd be better off without this owner - that's not happening either

Campbell was NOT going to help here - end of story - I agree that keeping Campbell might have worked better but there was NO WAY that Mike OR Kyle wanted any part of Campbell - it is pointless to look at it any further than that fact - THAT was not happening

who could have forseen what has happened to us in the past 2 years with QBs here?

I'm sure that EVERYONE thought we were adding a QB this past draft or as a FA - didn't happen and we're in dire straits - SPIT happens

COULDA WOULDA SHOULDA - were still better off than we were :lol:

these guys have this franchise on the path to consistency - we need to add some pieces but the process has begun

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:13 pm

You know what skinjock?!

Your posts on a regular basis are exactly what I want to say.. Good job sir. I'm usually on my phone and or juggling kids pregnant wife work etc étc so its a little ruff to get what I need to say off this damn key borad. But you my friend consistently do it for me. We ARE on the path and every bum shanny shipped out was related to or part of a black plague that was cancerous to the locker room and out come. People that don't give a shizzle about B&G pride need not play for us... One of the reasons I love my dawg coooooooley so much. Him and Fletcher are the poster children for redskins nation based on pure heart and love for our team. They trully bleed b & G always will.. Heck I'd say 'tanna for sure too maybe even portis.

Sucks we are with out the guy with the moat point against the pukes ever- or maybe just among active players but still Moss will be missed Sunday. CRAP

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:43 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?

As for Carter, the points have already been made in this thread. If you really wanted to retain (a) a 30+ year old player whose impact has been so-so, who (b) doesn't fit the new scheme going forward and will not be a key player on a rebuilding team . . . well . . . if you really wanted to retain him, I don't know what to say.

I can see the argument for keeping Jason Campbell. Surely he'd have performed better than Beck and probably Grossman. (Not that critics would be any quieter as a result.) But then again, he was the starter here, and it's not common for a starter in his prime, making #1 money, to sit on the bench for a few years while your team rebuilds. Campbell was not the long-term solution, but if it could have worked out to have him as a backup, we'd probably be better off.

I agree with most people here concerning Ryan Clark. That one is purely on Snyder, who was doing all of the player negotiations at the time and basically told Clark he could go screw himself because no team would beat what we were offering. What a surprise that Snyder's ego is behind one of the worst personnel screwups of the last eight years (or so).

The coulda woulda talk is mildly interesting, but again I can hardly take this thread seriously as some kind of discussion of Redskins failures. Letting good players go just hasn't been a feature of this team.

I agree with you Irn... Although I wasn't one of the people that was saying it is time for Rogers to go. We drafted him. We made him. He didn't want to be here though. Reminds me of Champ, except Champ's skills are way better. Carlos is an example of Ryan Clark.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:20 pm

FACT is this and any franchise is a mixture of players
- NO ONE player is key - you need to have these guys doing their jobs together

We badly need a QB ..... we also need the players around him that can help the offense be effective

same for the defense - some guys 'fit' the system better and certain players don't mix with certain systems or styles

just taking a great LB or lineman and not having the other players around them is not going to mean a defense is any better or more effective
that was what Snyder and Cerrato did here
that is why, even though the 'stats said' we have a 'good' defense, we really did NOT - stats are deceiving

we have a number of players this year that will help make this franchise better down the road
that number is higher than it was and those players are a lot younger than we used to be

we'll get there guys - it's not far off

BIG FACT - these guys ARE going to do it a lot quicker than if we bring in someone else

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:29 pm

Yet, you have a Peyton Manning or a Lewis from the Ravens or there is many more examples if you want me to go on....

So, there is that one guy that can make a major or if not huge difference.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:53 am

Campbell was just managing Oakland's offense before he was injured.

The Raiders have the best running attack I've seen in a decade, so that helped Campbell a lot. Anyone who says he was improving his play from his Washington days is delusional.

As for Carter and Carlos. Well, you lose some, you win some. How about the players we've salvaged from other teams? Fletcher is the best example, as well as Bowden.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:55 am

El Mexican wrote:The Raiders have the best running attack I've seen in a decade, so that helped Campbell a lot. Anyone who says he was improving his play from his Washington days is delusional

In fairness, they were delusional before they said that

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:26 am

Russ Penman wrote:Okay so you think that Grossman and Beck is a upgrade over Campbell? Somehow I am not buying that one, hell we all know Campbell couldn't read defenses but he sure didn't throw picks and was alot more mobile than both Grossman and Beck put together. I am not saying he would have been Brady, or Bree's but damn he sure would have not thrown multiple interceptions in several games and I damn sure think with him we beat the Eagles, Panthers and Dolphins.

I'm not saying that at all - Mike & Kyle did not want Campbell - the choice was not made with Campbell as an option
Mike & Kyle wanted a QB and what they saw from Campbell, led them to go look for one

we are now paying the price of not finding a decent QB but it would be worse with Campbell

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:33 am

Kilmer72 wrote:Yet, you have a Peyton Manning or a Lewis from the Ravens or there is many more examples if you want me to go on....

So, there is that one guy that can make a major or if not huge difference.

ONLY if that one guy has players around him that can help him

THIS IS A TEAM GAME

why can't guys here see that if we continue with what has happened here we'll see better results

we were not looking bad at the begining but we had no depth

WE ARE NOT FAR OFF FROM BEING DECENT

we are a lot better than we were a few years ago

Peyton and Tom are NOT going to make it without blocking, pass catchers and RBs

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:38 am

I agree with Kaz - we need a defense

we need a QB BADLY but when the offense is ready here we'll have a decent defense to help them

look at what is happening in Green Bay and New England

Green Bay's defense ONLY has to think in terms of we can allow 28 points because our offense is going to score 30 or more

New England's offense has to score 30+ points because they know their defense cannot stop the other team

Defenses don't have to be great but they do need to be able to STOP the other team's offense when it matters

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:02 am

Irn-Bru wrote:It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?

<---- LOL I was prolly the only one. While I understood the INT griping, the guy was a great cover corner. Rarely beaten on a consistent basis. #shrug I liked him.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:08 am

joebagadonuts wrote:Ryan Clark. I've always regretted that one.

Definatley Ryan Clark. The guy is pretty much a Pro Bowl caliber saftey. He is overshadowed by Polamalu and Reed but he is definatley a good player.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:09 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:It's really hard for me to take this thread seriously. How many people here were on record when Rogers left saying that it was a mistake to let him go?

<---- LOL I was prolly the only one. While I understood the INT griping, the guy was a great cover corner. Rarely beaten on a consistent basis. #shrug I liked him.

I liked him, too, but he really wanted big money. And he wasn't worth it in DC.

I do think he's one of those guys that really benefited from a change of scenery. There's no doubt in my mind that if he stayed in DC, he'd still be dropping INTs, contacts or no. At the point where he was, he had almost a mental block about catching INTs here.

Think Knoblauch in New York. Suddenly the guy couldn't throw the ball to first base...even though he was a very solid 2nd basemen in Minnesota for years (even won the gold glove there 2 years before his mental block).

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:58 pm

1. Ryan Clark- cheap, underrated player
2. JC - underrated and better than what we have (not saying much)
3. Los. should have kept him, got wilson and dumped hall. He's dumb though, doesn't even know how to visit the eye doctor

Andre Carter does not fit the 3-4 and therefore was ok

Suisham is still awful. Gano is the man.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:25 pm

The ONLY wat to judge a player is how he plays and practices when he's a part of your group

Rogers always thought he was better than he was - he could have proved it but DID NOT

Mike & Kyle had enough film on Campbell to PROVE that he was NOT even close to being worth keeping
I'm surprised we got ANYTHING for him

Carter was a good player here he just was not going to be as good here
great to see a player that tries VERY hard at both practice and on the field, doing well in NE

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:28 pm

SkinsJock wrote:The ONLY wat to judge a player is how he plays and practices when he's a part of your group

Rogers always thought he was better than he was - he could have proved it but DID NOT

Sounds a lot like Hall, except he can't prove it and never will.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I tried to tell yall that Rodgers was good but....lol, I don't know why I wasted my breath.

Anyway, if contacts were the issue all along, Rodgers was at fault for not buying them.... #shrug

we blew it with rogers .... he is a way better cover corner than hall.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:29 pm

peirce has to be on the top of the list ....... guy was a stud at MLB

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:28 pm

brad7686 wrote:1. Ryan Clark- cheap, underrated player
2. JC - underrated and better than what we have (not saying much)
3. Los. should have kept him, got wilson and dumped hall. He's dumb though, doesn't even know how to visit the eye doctor

Andre Carter does not fit the 3-4 and therefore was ok

Suisham is still awful. Gano is the man.

Rogers wasn't near blind. I wear glasses and didn't know I needed them at the time. Now that I wear them it is a huge improvement. Sometimes you just don't know if your vision is only slightly bad.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:10 am

Jason Campbell and the word "underrated" should never appear in the same sentence ever again.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:08 pm

redskinz4ever wrote:peirce has to be on the top of the list ....... guy was a stud at MLB

How about BMitch?

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:14 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:Yet, you have a Peyton Manning or a Lewis from the Ravens or there is many more examples if you want me to go on....

So, there is that one guy that can make a major or if not huge difference.

ONLY if that one guy has players around him that can help him

THIS IS A TEAM GAME

why can't guys here see that if we continue with what has happened here we'll see better results

we were not looking bad at the begining but we had no depth

WE ARE NOT FAR OFF FROM BEING DECENT

we are a lot better than we were a few years ago

Peyton and Tom are NOT going to make it without blocking, pass catchers and RBs

Of course I Understand. I thought you said "NO ONE player is key" I look at Peyton Manning and with out him they can't win one game. With him they can make a play off run or better.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:32 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
Russ Penman wrote:Okay so you think that Grossman and Beck is a upgrade over Campbell? Somehow I am not buying that one, hell we all know Campbell couldn't read defenses but he sure didn't throw picks and was alot more mobile than both Grossman and Beck put together. I am not saying he would have been Brady, or Bree's but damn he sure would have not thrown multiple interceptions in several games and I damn sure think with him we beat the Eagles, Panthers and Dolphins.

I'm not saying that at all - Mike & Kyle did not want Campbell - the choice was not made with Campbell as an option
Mike & Kyle wanted a QB and what they saw from Campbell, led them to go look for one

we are now paying the price of not finding a decent QB but it would be worse with Campbell

I was in favor of getting rid of Campbell, but it's a joke to say that it would be worse with Campbell. Our offense was never this bad when he was here. Would it be great with him? Absolutely not. But no way would Inge be worse.