Grossman to start vs. Pukes

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:34 am

It looks like this flip/flop QB carousel is back to Grossman. He may be our QB to the end of season.....like it or NOT.

Per Twitter:

Rich_Campbell Rich Campbell

Shanahan: Rex is going to be our quarterback

Redskins Redskins.com

Rex Grossman will start this Sunday vs. Dallas

tammet · Post by **tammet** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:38 am

Both Mike and Kyle Shanahan are guilty atrocious decision making. If I have to see Torrain make another failed attempt at a sweep, my eyes might explode leaving me pleasantly blinded, so I don't have to witness any further bad play calling. Just that fact that Torrain was the sole back for so long in that game was amazing. And, just like the prior week, he amassed about 2 yards per carry. Helu on the other hand is usually refreshing to watch, as he is typically in the 4 to 6 yards per carry. Additionally , the decision to take Beck out was incredibly short sighted. It was very evident that he was improving week over week. Not just improving , but largely eliminating the previous week's errors. Miami WAS the week to see if he could improve his down field vision. Rex doesn't exhibit regular improvement, so it's safe to assume he's reached his ceiling. It was a disservice to Beck and the team as a whole to have not given him that Miami game. I'm not a huge Beck fan, but it was interesting to see him making adjustments in a systematic way. There are those that will say , "but he has never won a game". The reality of that is that when he was with Miami in 07, he was one of three QB's that played that year. Beck started somewhere in the middle of the season and only played 4 games. Nobody was successful that year on that horrible team, as was evident in their 1 and 15 record. To be fair that is NOT a legitimate evaluation of a rookie QB. The current Redskins OL , like the fins in 07, is nearly the worst in the league, not to mention the rest of the offense with all the injuries and lack of depth. People say that none of that should matter, but that is lazy logic.
I've seen Brady, Rivers, and many others look like complete crap when the OL is getting out played. Alternatively, there are plenty examples of mediocre QB's who look pretty damn good when sitting behind a good, consistant OL, such as the 49's with Alex Smith. There are those that will say, "Grossman won 3 games". Yeah, he won against three of the easier teams on the schedule and played horribly when Philly challenged him. Beck played against three of the more difficult teams on the schedule thus far, and did so with an injury riddled OL, no hightower, no moss. He must rank among the unluckiest rookie QB's ever, judging by the situations he's started in.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:47 am

x2 well said man.. It was the perfect scenario to play Beck out... Now with Dallas week upon us we have no cohesiveness on O and are full of doubt. Not good. Sucks to say Beck will need a 6int performance from Rex to get the nod... Only question is how soon?

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:29 am

X3

Beautifully put. They pulled the trigger too soon on Beck. Now we're stuck with the turnover machine. Is it going to take another 4 INT game to bring back Beck? Because that is right around the corner.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:40 am

It was very evident that he was improving week over week. Not just improving , but largely eliminating the previous week's errors.

Improving? You're grasping at straws. Beck hasn't approved in any significant way from start 1. He has awful field vision, is skittish in the pocket, and is way too happy to dump the ball off even when he has time. He's hesitant and scared, plain and simple, and you can't play that way. Both quarterbacks stink, but Rex (shudder) is the lesser of two evils. At least he is willing to take some chances and try to make plays.

tammet · Post by **tammet** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:25 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
It was very evident that he was improving week over week. Not just improving , but largely eliminating the previous week's errors.

Improving? You're grasping at straws. Beck hasn't approved in any significant way from start 1. He has awful field vision, is skittish in the pocket, and is way too happy to dump the ball off even when he has time. He's hesitant and scared, plain and simple, and you can't play that way. Both quarterbacks stink, but Rex (shudder) is the lesser of two evils. At least he is willing to take some chances and try to make plays.

Yes, Beck made all the errors you cite, however he was addressing them in a positive way each week. In fact, he was overcompensating in some instances, such as, going from holding the ball too long in Buffalo to getting rid of it too soon against the 49's. He was obviously in the midst of finding equilibrium. It's unfortunate that people are grading him as if he were a veteran starter. He was well on his way to surpassing what Grossman's value. We don't know Beck's ceiling, we know Rex's because he exhibits no regular improvement. Additionally, it is without fairness that people assign blame to either of these QBs without citing the OL and other issues in the same breath.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:25 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
It was very evident that he was improving week over week. Not just improving , but largely eliminating the previous week's errors.

Improving? You're grasping at straws. Beck hasn't approved in any significant way from start 1. He has awful field vision, is skittish in the pocket, and is way too happy to dump the ball off even when he has time. He's hesitant and scared, plain and simple, and you can't play that way. Both quarterbacks stink, but Rex (shudder) is the lesser of two evils. At least he is willing to take some chances and try to make plays.

This is 100% correct.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:55 am

He was hesitant and scared in ONE GAME after being sacked TEN TIMES. Enough of that argument it's getting old. Sure glad ol' Rex is back though. Even in garbage time you can rely on him to throw some INTs.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:00 am

Rex = the girl you have a great date with but at the end, you know you're going home alone.

Beck - Just a bumpy road the whole time. In the end, you're not sure if you want a 2nd date or not.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:04 am

That's a pretty good analogy. It should be Rex: The girl you are having the best date of your life with and are about to score when all of a sudden she pukes all over your brand new shirt.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:36 am

OHHHHHHHH = That's awesome.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:14 pm

Beck flat out sucks. I'd rather have Painter double passing.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:29 pm

For all of the Rex supporters who said he was winning (with our healthy O-Line mind you), here's what he's produced in the last three games he's played in (with the same injury ridden team Beck played with):

Grossman - 1 TD, 8 INTS, 43.63 QBR
Beck - 4 TD, 4 INTS, 70.13 QBR

Yep, I'd say Grossman gives us the best chance to win.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:21 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:That's a pretty good analogy. It should be Rex: The girl you are having the best date of your life with and are about to score when all of a sudden she pukes all over your brand new shirt.

Man, so true. The second INT you just have to stare stupidly. The announcers gave him a pass for the first one because Hankerson fell down, but I thought it was likely to be an INT even if he hadn't as it was pretty overthrown. Hankerson may have swatted it down, but it was right to the D back.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:42 pm

You guys can complain about Shanahan all you want. From all the reporting I've heard from guys like Doc Walker and Grant Paulsen though, the locker room wants Rex.

We all know neither Grossman or Beck is the answer at QB. They both suck. Arguing about which one of them should start has to be the most pointless debate in team history.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:44 pm

Even if you take away the INT to Hankerson, it's still 1 TD to a 7 INT ratio over the course of 3 games. And people honestly want to see this guy against the Cowpukes?

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:11 pm

What does it matter which one starts? They are both terrible.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 pm

God, I miss Sonny vs Billy...

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:26 pm

DALLAS WEEK

WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:44 pm

Countertrey wrote:God, I miss Sonny vs Billy...

huh?

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:34 am

Countertrey wrote:God, I miss Sonny vs Billy...

LMAO Kilmer was a rah rah guy that could motivate. Sonny was a technician. Kilmer actually reminds me of a QB we have now except he doesn't have the skills. Kilmer was a guy that was a true leader. Not that Sonny wasn't but, Sonny was more honed. Sonny could set records. Sonny was the man. One day the young grass hoppers will understand.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:36 am

Tribe... Please refer to the smack lounge for all profane topics.
Thanks.

Duck Fallas

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:57 am

This is just sad.

I don't understand how our best options can be Rex Grossman and John Beck. I just don't.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:30 am

riggofan wrote:You guys can complain about Shanahan all you want. From all the reporting I've heard from guys like Doc Walker and Grant Paulsen though, the locker room wants Rex.

We all know neither Grossman or Beck is the answer at QB. They both suck. Arguing about which one of them should start has to be the most pointless debate in team history.

+1

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:32 am

Smithian wrote:This is just sad.

I don't understand how our best options can be Rex Grossman and John Beck. I just don't.

The really sad part is that neither of these guys was here when Shanhan was hired. McNabb, Beck, and Grossman....a true genius at work.