Grossman v. Beck

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:46 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:47 am

we now have guys in charge here that know what they are doing

is there any doubt that what has happened here recently is a step in the right direction?

is there any doubt that this franchise is better than it was 2 years ago

let's try and accept that this franchise still has a little ways to go ...

we're getting there - it will take time

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:36 am

Kilmer72 wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/rex-grossman-getting-snaps-with-first-team-in-practice/2011/11/11/gIQA5yieDN_blog.html

Grossman taking first team reps? Sounds like Grossman will be inserted into the game if our offense is sluggish like the last two games and is still within reach.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:59 am

So what happens if they go back to Grossman and he has a repeat Philadelphia performance? Back to Beck again? I think this was a ploy to "motivate" Beck to perform better.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:15 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:So what happens if they go back to Grossman and he has a repeat Philadelphia performance? Back to Beck again? I think this was a ploy to "motivate" Beck to perform better.

If Shanny has to bring Grossman in relief of Beck and he does well and sparks the Skins to a win, it doesn't mean that Shanny has to turn the starting job over to Grossman for the next game. Grossman might be better suited to come off the bench. We all know that Grossman's problem has been consistency. He has had games that show that he can play well (Good Rex). Coming off the bench might help Good Rex to come out more often.

I see no point in making Grossman the starter again, because even with a Godd Rex start way over due, we know that Bad Rex will always out stay Good Rex. Let Beck get his experience and see if he can develop over time - he did play well in relief in Philly and his performance in Carolina was adequate.

I don't think it is a ploy to motivate Beck, because even if Shanny is evaluating Beck (which I understand is good for the long run), a coach can't leave a possible victory on the table by not playing the QB who is willing to make the throws. When I listened to the evaluation of Beck concerning the 49ers game this week on the radio shows, I learned that Kyle had designed plays for Beck to hit receivers on what was a quick route (I heard the actual name of the play, but can't remember it) that was supposed to be pretty much guaranteed to be open. It was said that these play were open every time and Beck for some inexplicable reason did not throw it. These were the plays that had Gaffney so upset. If Beck is not going to make those plays and they are there, and the game is close, you have to put whatever QB you have in the game who is willing to make that throw. If those throws are made, we might have come out with a victory over the Niners because a couple of scores early by us whould have changed the dynamic of the entire game and might have made Alex Smith have to beat us with his arm.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:57 pm

I could care less who starts or plays at QB .. OR if the QBs rotate each series
- whichever QB helps this offense put some points on the board, should get the most reps

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:51 pm

In the last 6 games (Grossman starting 3, Beck starting 3) here are their stats:

Grossman: 1 TD, 8 INTS
Beck: 2 TD, 2 Rushing TDS, 4 INTS

I understand that people want to see us "move the ball down the field", and Rex is not afraid to take shots and throw it. But what does that result in? An interception or a field goal? I don't think it matters who plays at QB, our offense is just plain horrible this year. However, I'd rather take baby steps until next season (Beck) over a never-was "gunslinger" who may show some signs of life and flash here and there, but in the end just winds up failing in a big way (Grossman).

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:55 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:In the last 6 games (Grossman starting 3, Beck starting 3) here are their stats:

Grossman: 1 TD, 8 INTS
Beck: 2 TD, 2 Rushing TDS, 4 INTS

I understand that people want to see us "move the ball down the field", and Rex is not afraid to take shots and throw it. But what does that result in? An interception or a field goal? I don't think it matters who plays at QB, our offense is just plain horrible this year. However, I'd rather take baby steps until next season (Beck) over a never-was "gunslinger" who may show some signs of life and flash here and there, but in the end just winds up failing in a big way (Grossman).

Baby steps? towards what? When Beck plays the game is almost unwatchable. At least with Grossman we can get the receivers some work.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:56 pm

BTW, does anyone really care who starts? I only do at this point for entertainment value. Neither one of these guys will take a snap next year so whats with the Grossman vs Beck debate?

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:06 pm

BRINGING BACK..........SEXY.....!!!

Let's face it..........he was pretty darn good yesterday....!!!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:18 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:BRINGING BACK..........SEXY.....!!!

Let's face it..........he was pretty darn good yesterday....!!!

That was Good Rex - here today and gone tomorrow.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:48 am

Any predictions for which Rex is going to show up at the Seahawks game?

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:58 am

StorminMormon86 wrote:Any predictions for which Rex is going to show up at the Seahawks game?

I'm hoping: Good Sexy Rexy

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:25 am

We know what we're getting with Grossman - he's going to be the starter here for a while
Beck did not become the QB that Mike thought he was

Mike's made some mistakes here with QBs - hopefully he's learned and we'll draft a future great QB in the draft

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:28 am

Mikey Shan is still "LOOKING" for his next Elway......... it's not in these 2 we have here.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:54 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:I'm hoping: Good Sexy Rexy

Good Sexy Rexy: good enough to keep us competitive, bad enough to not get the W.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:19 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:I'm hoping: Good Sexy Rexy

Good Sexy Rexy: good enough to keep us competitive, bad enough to not get the W.

Grossman led us to a potential game winning drive.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:49 pm

He also amassed a whopping 75 yards of offense in the first half.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:53 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:Any predictions for which Rex is going to show up at the Seahawks game?

I am going to predict that Good Rex shows up. I think that time that he was on the bench was very productive for him. When he was benched, his performances were getting worse with each game. With the last two, he performances have gotten better with each game. I am going to say the trend continues and he gets even better this third game after the benching.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:02 pm

Rex Grossman's Rollercoaster Ride in Seattle

First quarter: 12-13, 138 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 136.5 rating

Second quarter: 4-6, 37 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 43.8 rating

Third quarter: 3-7, 30 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 16.1 rating

Fourth quarter: 7-9, 109 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 154.2 rating

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... p-day.html

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:56 am

That's "Good Rex" for you.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:08 am

I cannot wait for us to get a decent QB and not have to watch Beck or Grossman trying to play QB here

we'll see more of Grossman than Beck the rest of this season and then both will not be here anymore

VERY disapointing not to be able to have 1 of these 2 be able to play here while the next QB gets ready

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:14 am

Grossman vrs Beck - what an incredibly bad scene that is

we have not had a decent QB for a while and while there have been many issues this position will be resolved & soon

Kyle MAY BE a good OC but his ONLY chance at any success here depends on this franchise getting better play from the QBs

if there's a silver lining here it's that we have gotten a lot younger and have addressed some other issues

we are not far off - THE #1 PRIORITY is to get better play from the QB AND to get the kid we draft ready to play

I do not see Grossman playing here next season

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:48 pm

I can see Rex here as a back up. He knows the system and might even finish with a winning record as a starter this year (Hoping). He will be next years back up. Or you have to get 2 new QBs next year, and wait for them to learn the system.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:34 pm

It seems to me that Rex has shown he can be a good back-up who could "hold the fort" for a good team - sort of Kitna-esque. He'd be a great guy to have in the fold while starting a talented rookie like RGIII.

Beck has shown he is no more than an emergency back-up at this point. One might say he, in the words of a recent poll, bites the wang.

DarthMonk