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Justice Hog wrote:Sure, Grossman wasn't all that....but this team looks horrible under Beck. Grossman might throw a pick or two here and there but at least this team won under Grossman.

This team looks horrible under Beck.

I WANT GROSSMAN BACK!!!!


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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Justice Hog wrote:Sure, Grossman wasn't all that....but this team looks horrible under Beck. Grossman might throw a pick or two here and there but at least this team won under Grossman.

This team looks horrible under Beck.

I WANT GROSSMAN BACK!!!!


Agreed. Someone get Justin Timberlake to talk to coach.

it's time to bring Sexy back. :P


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Irn-Bru wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:Who's in charge of making sure they don't drop passes and fumble.

Let me guess the previous regime.

All goes back to how hard this team is really being coached. Just saying it makes me wonder.


LOLOLOL


Don't laugh ....Forgot what Gibbs would do if players started having trouble fumbling and holding on to the ball.

You Laugh like it's a joke but coaching sometimes comes down to the basics.

So do you remember what Gibbs done for that issue and he done it in GibbsII run also???

I don't think it's funny.

Shows a poorly coached team.


No one answered doesn't surpise me any. Cause they don't know.


I didn't answer because what you wrote wasn't clear at all. Just saying a bunch of things and then concluding "must be bad coaching" doesn't really convince me of anything. ;)


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skinpride1 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:Who's in charge of making sure they don't drop passes and fumble.

Let me guess the previous regime.

All goes back to how hard this team is really being coached. Just saying it makes me wonder.


LOLOLOL


Don't laugh ....Forgot what Gibbs would do if players started having trouble fumbling and holding on to the ball.

You Laugh like it's a joke but coaching sometimes comes down to the basics.

So do you remember what Gibbs done for that issue and he done it in GibbsII run also???

I don't think it's funny.

Shows a poorly coached team.


No one answered doesn't surpise me any. Cause they don't know.


I didn't answer because what you wrote wasn't clear at all. Just saying a bunch of things and then concluding "must be bad coaching" doesn't really convince me of anything. ;)


Sorry but who really cares about convincing you of anything.
...mmmm, aparently, YOU DO... because you keep coming back to it.

The score of the last two games says it all anyway.

The question was pretty straight foward ans simple anyway.

DUH HUH ..................

What did Gibbs do when the players started Fumbling and putting the Ball on the ground????

Come on really??? That was confusing to you. Think i will have another slice of pizza on that one.

:roll:


Maybe the reason no one answered is, this was just a really boring, and tedious post by someone who has already decided he knows the answer. Let us know when the Danny calls for your services. :roll: right back atcha.
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Shanahan said in his post game presser that he is sticking with Beck. His reasoning was fans always point the finger at the QB but it is more than just the QB. I don't buy his reasoning for sticking with Beck, but I understand why he is sticking with Beck.

Mike appears to be in an evaluating mode. We all seem to agree that the Skins will draft the "franchise" QB next year, but that is next year. Right now, we have Beck and Grossman. Who do we keep for next year as a back up or place holder while our "franchise" QB learns the O? Mike is finding that out now.

We know what we have in Grossman - gives you a very good game or two, but is a turnover machine. Beck, who has 7 starts spread over 4 1/2 years, is being evaluated to see what he can do. He is getting the game experience to learn the offense. He has shown that he can come off the bench. He played OK against Carolina (80 rating - 96 before the INT to Hankerson). Buffalo and 49ers were not good games.

Greg Cosell of NFL films in breaking down the Buffalo game said that the Redskin offense is a timing offense and the Bills decided to focus on disrupting the receivers routes and disrupt the timing. Beck's lack of experience left him trying to make plays himself when he found his receivers not where they were supposed to be. On the Shanahan Show on Saturday, Mike said that it was lack of experience that Beck did not make the decisions he needed to make.

All of the above - points to Mike saying - I want to see if Beck grows and matures with experience. Mike is clearly not going to evaluate Beck on fans terms but like he said - in the context of the 11 guys playing on offense.

Grossman is the better starter today, but some folks on this board quickly forget that with a healthy O line and a RB that could pick up the blitz, Grossman's offenses scored 21 against the Giants (D scored 1 TD), 22 against the Cards, 16 against the Cowboys, 17 against the Rams, and 6 points against the Eagles. He committed 11 turnovers in those games and several passes thrown right to defenders who dropped them (Shanahan said that when he evaluates a QB those dropped INTS do count). Yes, today, Grossman is better than Beck in this offense (no sarcasm - it is true today). We know that Grossman will not grow in this offense or any offense, he thinks the same way, he did when he came into the league. Grossman would have not have gotten sacked 10 times in Buffalo, but looking at his play regress with each game he played, he would not have won the Carolina, Buffalo and SanFran games. Grossman's offenses scored 82 points in 5 games. That is 16.4 points a game with healthy linemen - that is not going to win you the Carolina, Buffalo or 49er game.

Mike and us fans will find out if Beck will grow and become a better QB with experience. This is a possibilty. Grossman getting better is not a possibility.

For whatever reason, Mike gave the Redskins no other options than Grossman or Beck, we are now living with it and Mike seems to have no desire to bring anyone else in here so this is our season number two under Mike. We see is as regression and horrible, Mike probably sees it as season # 2 in finding guys to fit his system. Like it or love the way Mike does business, with his contract calling for $15 million over the next three years, Danny ain't firing this guy any sooner than after year 4. Hopefully, by year 4, we won't be talking about any Redskin coach needing to be fired and if we are, then he will need to be fired because he will have no excuses after three off seasons to fix things.
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Countertrey wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:Who's in charge of making sure they don't drop passes and fumble.

Let me guess the previous regime.

All goes back to how hard this team is really being coached. Just saying it makes me wonder.


LOLOLOL


Don't laugh ....Forgot what Gibbs would do if players started having trouble fumbling and holding on to the ball.

You Laugh like it's a joke but coaching sometimes comes down to the basics.

So do you remember what Gibbs done for that issue and he done it in GibbsII run also???

I don't think it's funny.

Shows a poorly coached team.


No one answered doesn't surpise me any. Cause they don't know.


I didn't answer because what you wrote wasn't clear at all. Just saying a bunch of things and then concluding "must be bad coaching" doesn't really convince me of anything. ;)


Sorry but who really cares about convincing you of anything.
...mmmm, aparently, YOU DO... because you keep coming back to it.

The score of the last two games says it all anyway.

The question was pretty straight foward ans simple anyway.

DUH HUH ..................

What did Gibbs do when the players started Fumbling and putting the Ball on the ground????

Come on really??? That was confusing to you. Think i will have another slice of pizza on that one.

:roll:


Maybe the reason no one answered is, this was just a really boring, and tedious post by someone who has already decided he knows the answer. Let us know when the Danny calls for your services. :roll: right back atcha.


Good sounds like the majority of posts that I have read by you and boring also.

Another DUH HUH right back at ya. You think if i asked a question like that I wouldn't know the answer.

To be such die hard redskins fans can't believe you don't know about what Gibbs use to do if the Players started putting the ball on the ground a lot.


I think you didn't even read my post you just jumped in, to be jumping in not the first time that has ever happened either. Didn't surprise me at all to scroll down and see that.

Let me know when Danny wants your services also.

Thats right he didn't he picked extremeskins.......OUCH.

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Seriously? "DUH DUH" ???
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[quote="Countertrey"]Seriously? "DUH DUH" ???[/quote

Yea seriously :wink:

Smart ass competition lol.
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Grossman can at least win a game. He is better than Beck.
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frankcal20 wrote:The offense isn't clicking. You guys are not factoring in all the issues we have right now on the team. I'm sorry but the QB position is not the only problem. The line isn't keeping the QB clean. There's little to no running game. The WRs can't stop dropping the ball. This is a perfect example of a team in transformation. We're a rebuilding team. Don't crucify a place holder b/c he's not the problem. The issue is the previous regime who screwed this team on ever chance they could. Unfortunately
, they thought they were making it better.


Ok ...but you do know that 37 of the 53 man roster was chosen by Shanny. It's his team now so WE CAN/SHOULD STOP talking about the old regime.
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frankcal20 wrote:YOu also have to understand that it's a totally different NFL. You can only coach a team in full pads twice a SEASON. That never happened in Gibbs 1.0 or 2.0. I'm sorry but this is ran like a pussified (cat-like) lingerie football league. They may even work harder. I'm sorry but can't hold the coach to that.


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die cowboys die wrote:i never thought i'd say this about anyone but i think Beck is even worse than Br*nell. there were a lot of open guys today, that's the good news. but he just never sees them. we'll be one of those teams that suddenly/magically dramatically improve overnight if the QB we draft turns out to be any good and can find those guys and get the ball there.

i know he didn't have much help with all the drops and stuff. but there were so many plays he had a chance and just didn't even find the open guy. with a good QB, even with the other miscues, we still win that game by 3 touchdowns. i'm serious. the 49ers proved themselves to be astonishingly mediocre to me. not impressive in the slightest. the only reason they had any success is because on both sides of the ball, their new coach has apparently taught them how to subtly hold the back of everyone's jersey without extending the arm, and get away with it on every single play the entire game. and i think they got flagged once. unbelievable.



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frankcal20 wrote:It's life. Drops happen. I'm sorry if you expect perfection but it's not going to happen and what you try to do is hope that one guy doesn't have it on one day. The problem is we've had several guys who didn't have it. I'm not saying it's luck but the one thing you can say is this team is being coached up. That's very clear but this team is very young.


I see no evidence at all that the team is being "coached up." It's the worse team we've had here for some time and will probably end up with one of the worse records. I also don't believe it's particularly young, or stocked with great draft choices. Please don't tell me that Helu and Handerson are going to be something special. The only new guy from the draft who impresses me is Kerrigan. There are a lot of myths around about Shanny and Allen's abilities. We are taking as many steps backward as forward, probably more. I expect five wins this year and one boring game after the other.
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^Agree on the bottom line (maybe 5 really boring wins...) but not the details... Shanahan is taking a long term view. Just as he was not going to use a high pick to grab the "best available" quarterback, he is looking at this point to construct a team of the future. This tells me that he is feeling very secure in the support he's getting from the Danny.
Plus, I believe that Hankerson will be part of the solution, as I do Helu. If Helu were a more skilled pass blocker, he would be the uncontested starter... he recently stated that his greatest weakness is in pass pro, and he intends to fix that. I believe that he will. Kerrigan will be a complete 3-4 outside backer. He has steadily progressed in pass coverage, and has already demonstrated that he can pretty much own his side of the field... has anyone noticed how many screen passes go to Orakpo's side versus Kerrigan's side? Kid has already gained a rep.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:It's the worse team we've had here for some time


ROTFALMAO

What are you, 16? Seriously. Spurrier, Zorn, terrible and hopeless. Our D has improved from last year and actually gets pressure. They were one of the worst in the NFL and now they are mixed. The like 3 starters we have playing on O can't beat the 11 guys on D they are playing, wow, you're onto something there.
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Countertrey wrote:I believe that Hankerson will be part of the solution


I'm on the fence. What was the deal with that pass where when he caught the pass he immediately fell down?
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If were gonna be bad then just bring colt back, at least I could stomach watching him play. hahaha
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NEITHER QB is very good - THAT is NOT a surprise people :roll:

37 of the 53 are Mike's choice? that's encouraging - can't wait to see what happens when all 53 are selected by this FO



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This team is not nearly as bad as we were under the tutelage of Spurrier. Patience is a virtue, let's give Shanahan until the last year of his contract before we evalutate his "failing". And we also have to give the Skins the rest of the season before we say that we're going to win 5 games at the most.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Countertrey wrote:I believe that Hankerson will be part of the solution


I'm on the fence. What was the deal with that pass where when he caught the pass he immediately fell down?
If it's the play that I'm thinking of, he tried to change direction and lost his footing. That happens... The story on him is, he was relegated to the scout team in preseason... as the season has gone on, he became increasingly difficult for our starters on defense to cover. He has apparently earned his way back in, but, no matter what, it's impossible to simulate game speed in a practice. He should have been targeted at least 3 or 4 more times, but Beck either missed it, or was too harried to look.

I think he will get it... the book on most rookie receivers is it takes 1-2 full seasons... but, he'll continue to get quality time this year, especially is Shanahan goes into "see what you've got" mode, like he did at the end of last season.

That's not a commentary on whether Shanny should do that or not... but I do think he's going to do what he feels is best for the continued development of the team... whether we approve or not.
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StorminMormon86 wrote:This team is not nearly as bad as we were under the tutelage of Spurrier. Patience is a virtue, let's give Shanahan until the last year of his contract before we evalutate his "failing". And we also have to give the Skins the rest of the season before we say that we're going to win 5 games at the most.
While you may be right that they could win more... you are wrong that we "have to" give them to the end of the season... I don't see this team winning more than 2 more games... it's that simple. They have not once this season gotten into a rhythm on offense. Without significant improvement in consistency along the O line, that's not going to happen. Until Beck stops panicking when he sees a rush, and actually finds the myriad open receivers downfield, it's not going to happen. Until Kyle develops the flexibility to respond to what a defense is doing to his game plan, it's not going to happen.

The games that we expected to be easy on our schedule simply arent.

Anything over 5 wins will, I think (at this point) be a bonus.


Not that I'd turn up my nose at 2 or 3 more... :wink:
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So many times I saw Beck go back and double clutch. Guys were open all day. He is AFRAID TO PULL THE TRIGGER. Mallett's release point is probably a good 18 inches higher. He has an accurate CANNON.

We blew it.

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Height: 6’7’’ Weight: 238 Arkansas

Accuracy: Mallett shows above-average accuracy to compliment his outstanding mechanics. His short accuracy is spot-on and he can lay the ball into the receiver’s hands on deep routes.

Mallett will occasionally miss a receiver across the middle with his tendency to throw some passes too high. Using his exceptional arm strength, he can place the ball into tight windows that even some NFL quarterbacks can’t hit. He does a great job of putting the ball where only the receiver can catch it. He also excels at throwing accurately while on the run after being forced out of the pocket. Accuracy is a strong aspect of his game, but there is definite room for improvement.

Arm Strength: Possibly his greatest attribute, Mallett’s arm strength is among the best in college football. Whether it’s a deep ball down the sideline or putting the ball on a rope 20 yards down the field, he has the arm to put the ball anywhere it needs to go.

His passes, however, are often overthrown as he loses control of the amount of strength behind his throws. The main concern is that he sometimes relies too much on his arm strength when making risky passes.

Athleticism/Mobility: Mallett is a pure pocket passer. He doesn’t have the speed, athleticism or quickness to be a legitimate scrambling threat in the NFL. He shows good movement in the pocket, but defenders shouldn’t be concerned with him picking up first downs with his feet on a consistent basis.

Overall, he is subpar in both top-end speed and athleticism, but makes up for it with decision making and poise.

Decision Making: Mallett is a very confident passer with great awareness and football knowledge. That confidence can sometimes work against him when he decides to force tough throws when nothing is there.

When he has time to throw, he reads the defense and does a good job of checking down to his second and third options. Even with pressure in his face, he makes quick, smart decisions to throw the ball away.

Despite his lack of speed, he can sometimes try too hard to outrun the defense and put his offense in tough situations by giving up unnecessary sacks. A 10:3 touchdown-to-interception ratio provides support for his strong decision making.

Field Vision: The fact that he’s 6’7’’ allows him to have clear vision of the field and makes his passes much harder to bat down by the defensive line. He does a solid job of reading the defense, reacting after the snap and taking what the defense can give him. He will often check down to backs and tight ends out of the backfield if he sees nothing available down field.

Mechanics: Coming out of the pro-style offense run by Bobby Petrino, Mallett has honed his skills as a prototypical NFL passer. He has a very natural, over-the-top release that, matched with his height, allows him to deliver the ball cleanly and effectively. Mallett stands tall when delivering the ball, and uses a quick, fluid motion to get the ball out of his hands.

When he runs play-action, he does an outstanding job of selling the run and hiding the ball from the defense. He will, however, need to learn to drop back more effectively considering he spent lots of his time at Arkansas in either the shotgun or pistol formations.

Pocket Awareness/Poise: As mentioned earlier, Mallett has excellent pocket presence and awareness which allows him to evade the pass rush and continue to look down field. He doesn’t typically get flustered by the pressure and can step into hits in order to make a good pass. Even in tough situations, he has held his own and been a composed leader for his teammates to rally around.

Final Word: Any team would be glad to have a player of Mallett’s ability and leadership taking snaps for their offense. Passing stats come easily and in large quantities for Mallett, who is as productive as they come at the quarterback spot.

After having an up-and-down season in 2009, he came back in 2010 after considering the NFL and proved that he could be smarter and more consistent with his decisions. He has shown great maturation since joining Arkansas in 2008 as a transfer from Michigan.

Mallett has all of the tools to become a sensational quarterback in the NFL. No matter the situation, he is a proven leader and hard worker, but can sometimes lose focus when things start to fall apart, as evidenced by Arkansas’ 2009 loss to Alabama. Mallett completed just 34 percent of his passes as the Razorbacks lost by a score of 35-7.

Teammates seem to rally around his vocal leadership and feed off his positive energy, but scouts will need to look into why coaches at Michigan had issues with him that eventually led to him transferring.

During spring practices in 2008, he missed the final two weeks due to an injured finger on his throwing hand. Other than that, there are no standout durability issues for Mallett.

Given the right coaching and the proper system, he could potentially put up big numbers in the NFL just as he did under Petrino. In order to succeed, he will need to work on controlling his strength on deep balls and making better decisions with defenders bearing down on him.

If the right circumstances arise, Mallett could come off the board in the late first/early second round of the 2011 draft.

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They preferred to address defense with the first two picks... especially once Locker came off the board (there was a reason that TN made sure they got in front of the Redskins). Shanahan may also have felt that one of the better quarterbacks would be there in the 3rd round... I would suggest that those were not wasted picks.

Beyond that, we don't know the full story of why Mallet was available when the Patriots picked him up. Obviously, we were not the only team that passed on him. Honestly, I was disappointed that we did not grab him... I think the Patriots stole one... but, I am not coaching this team.

Keep in mind... an accurate cannon, and tall release described one Jason Campbell, as well... how'd that work for us?
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DarthMonk wrote:So many times I saw Beck go back and double clutch. Guys were open all day. He is AFRAID TO PULL THE TRIGGER. Mallett's release point is probably a good 18 inches higher. He has an accurate CANNON.

We blew it.

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Not too sure we blew it here. Mallet had some serious personality issues, which was one of the reasons he dropped from his projected top 15 pick. The QB needs to be the leader, but most importantly one of the most mature players on the team. Mallet did not appear to be very mature or ready to lead a team consisting of men.

And I couldn't care less how tall a QB is. Most NFL QBs throw through lanes anyway. And while a strong arm is important, it doesn't automaticaly turn a QB into a superstar. Personally, I saw a ton of Ryan Leaf in this kid (and I am confident a good deal of other GMs did as well). The QB position is unique in that it is one of the few positions in the NFL where the non-phsycial attributes are equally (if not more) important than the physical ones.

I don't find it coincidental that the Pats -- who also picked up ochocinco and haynesworth this past offseason -- were the team who drafted Mallet.
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The Patriots were Pick Wealthy... they could afford to risk a pick on a very talented quarterback who could, potentially, blow up... for them, it's a low risk, high reward transaction... If he turns out to be the second coming of Big Ben, that's great for them... if he turns into Ryan Leaf... meh... he's gone...
It was exactly the kind of move that I expected from them.

We, on the other hand, had no such luxury. The picks had to be contributors. We could not roll the dice on them. We could not take a chance on a personality like Mallet... The chances of success for those first 3 picks had to be very high...
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