Martin Mayhew

SpartanSkins · Post by **SpartanSkins** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:59 am

Danny needs to get this guy...former Skin. Maybe he feels some allegiance to the Skins. He is the next Ozzie Newsome. Gibbs had Bethard/Casserly. Do not think the Allen/Shanny thing works...,Shanny too strong!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:03 pm

Not at all and Allen is a good GM. He's very good at what he does but building a good team takes time with a salary cap. Keep in mind that the free agency period wasn't the same based on the lockout.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:39 pm

Plus, the Lions might have something to say about that.

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:50 pm

I liked Mayhew as a player, and I'm delighted to see that he's doing well as a GM.

However, Allen / Shanahan are good enough. And, as mentioned above, the Redskins cannot just grab the GM from another team.

Besides: there has been too much jumpy turmoil with Snyder. Better to leave the team to god people than to have Snyder intervene again.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:55 pm

...not to mention the Redskin who runs Green Bay... he's done a great job there.

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:00 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:...not to mention the Redskin who runs Green Bay... he's done a great job there.

Another of my favorite players.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:19 pm

The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:52 pm

Nailed it Canes. Allen is a business man. He handles the paperwork but has nothing to do with player evaluations. Although, I'm sure he might chime in from time to time. But then he would hold the title of "Master of Obvious."

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:53 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.

I have heard that criticism of Allen and Shanahan in the past... but their 2011 draft class is looking pretty darned good, so far... and, while not world beaters, their FA pickups are quietly competent for the most part, so I think I'll reserve my judgment on that.

SpartanSkins · Post by **SpartanSkins** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:57 pm

I agree CanesSkins26...Welch why do you feel Allen/Shanahan are "good enough"? If the main reason is the turmoil or "just grabbing" a GM from another team...those are not good, sound reasons. I do not feel a good GM allowas his coach to go into a season with Beck/Grossman..and if that GM orchestrated the McNabb debacle ,the GM must be accountable or at least questioned. If Danny pushed for the McNabb deal, and Shanny/Allen did not stop it..we are in too deep.

Mayhew or Murphy...go get them!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:05 pm

Countertrey wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.
I have heard that criticism of Allen and Shanahan in the past... but their 2011 draft class is looking pretty darned good, so far... and, while not world beaters, their FA pickups are quietly competent for the most part, so I think I'll reserve my judgment on that.

The free agency market was terrible this year. They got the two guys they hoped would help this team out in OJ & Wilson at CB. The Dline upgrades were very good too. The offensive pool was terrible.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:21 pm

frankcal20 wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.
I have heard that criticism of Allen and Shanahan in the past... but their 2011 draft class is looking pretty darned good, so far... and, while not world beaters, their FA pickups are quietly competent for the most part, so I think I'll reserve my judgment on that.
The free agency market was terrible this year. They got the two guys they hoped would help this team out in OJ & Wilson at CB. The Dline upgrades were very good too. The offensive pool was terrible.

Why do you say that? You're not recycling the tired crap that JLC put out back when we thought the FA market would have the same rules as 2010.

No this was a very good crop of FA. It was essentially two years worth of FA since there were a lot of players in the 2011 FA market that would have been available in 2010 that weren't because of the CBA.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:45 pm

I am mainly talking about QB position and offensive lineman. We did a hell of a job in bringing in guys on the dline and the two guys I mentioned. I don't really listen to JLC. I listen to a lot of guys on Sirius who are all former players or front office guys. Not reporters.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:52 pm

Chester Hightower gafney and stallworth is a pretty good pick up in FA for one side of the ball. 3 of the four are starters w Hightower of course out for the season.
OJ Wilson Bowen and Cofield all 4 being starters on D is an even better FA pickup on D
Add Rocca for special teams- Pro bowl punter
Then account Kerrigan Paul Helu Hankerson Fox Jackson Jenkins and Neild being either starting close or 2nd string Rooks Gomes is a Rook too right?

If you can point out a FO tht did more this off season I'd like to see.
We also drafted Cook or maybe Unsigned FA from UNM my crappy college who is now a starter and Locklear (sp) FA who is a starter.... THEN all the second year players Williams Banks Austin AAA Torain Young etc and this office IS making changes big time.

The biggest hick up this year was the lock out- and it hurts teams rebuilding the most.
Green Bay comes back and looks around "hey guys let's do what we did last year limit mistakes and we should be set!"
At Washington it was more like " hey hi nice to meet you I can't wait to learn this complex extensive sytem in a super condensed amount of time. Maybe we can start gelling midyear."

It happened and it'll get better. Our O line took a hard hit but big Trent ( see second year players who all were drafted by this FO ) will be back and that kid is a beast! Pwned D ware that's a big task. Once he come back our O will pick up BANK on it.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:55 pm

welch wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:...not to mention the Redskin who runs Green Bay... he's done a great job there.
Another of my favorite players.

+1.........Mr. Mark Murphy Safety, Wash Redskins

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:37 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Chester Hightower gafney and stallworth is a pretty good pick up in FA for one side of the ball.

Hightower was a trade... pretty good one, at that... but not a free agent...
Still to your point... it was a pretty shrewd deal by the front office.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:27 pm

Chester Hightower gafney and stallworth is a pretty good pick up in FA for one side of the ball. 3 of the four are starters w Hightower of course out for the season.

The problem though is that on a good team none of those guys should be starters. Hightower has shared duties his entire career and isn't cut out to be a 25 carry a game back. Gaffney is a solid receiver and Stallworth hasn't been productive since 2007. The Ravens only wanted Chester back as a backup.

I'm not laying blame on this regime, but this all goes to why this team isn't very good. We just flat-out lack play makers in every area of the team, and in particular offense.

OJ Wilson Bowen and Cofield all 4 being starters on D is an even better FA pickup on D

Otogwe was a nice pick-up. Wilson should be a nickel back, not a starter, and Bowen and Cofield haven't been all that impressive. We are getting gashed against the run and a lot of that can be traced to the dline.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:43 am

I knew some part of my memory was off good job Trey thanks for clearing that up..

I couldn't agree more Canes.. A lot of the pickups should/will be back ups- only we don't have good starters or they are hurt. I do disagree about the D line. Cofield has 2 sacks and 11 tackles for a NT who's job is to get double teamed to open up lanes for LBs that's pretty good. Bowen has 19 tackles and 3 sacks that's pretty productive for FA pick ups nuh?
I honestly would like to see more Chris Neild- kid looked beast all that I've seen

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:16 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chester Hightower gafney and stallworth is a pretty good pick up in FA for one side of the ball. 3 of the four are starters w Hightower of course out for the season.
The problem though is that on a good team none of those guys should be starters. Hightower has shared duties his entire career and isn't cut out to be a 25 carry a game back. Gaffney is a solid receiver and Stallworth hasn't been productive since 2007. The Ravens only wanted Chester back as a backup.

I'm not laying blame on this regime, but this all goes to why this team isn't very good. We just flat-out lack play makers in every area of the team, and in particular offense.

You're not wrong here. I think that you're looking at them shoring up the defense mostly last year, and then they'll address the offense next year. I think the defense was the easier fix...the offense, having sucked for years, will take a lot of effort to fix. We haven't had playmakers on offense in over a decade.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:46 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.

He's had a great track record in evaluating offensive players, and I think he knows his limitations. Hence a GM and a strong DC in Haslet.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:01 pm

i think we need to wait and see , if we end up with a roster half as good as the GB one i would say we will be looking pretty good.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:05 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chester Hightower gafney and stallworth is a pretty good pick up in FA for one side of the ball. 3 of the four are starters w Hightower of course out for the season.
The problem though is that on a good team none of those guys should be starters. Hightower has shared duties his entire career and isn't cut out to be a 25 carry a game back. Gaffney is a solid receiver and Stallworth hasn't been productive since 2007. The Ravens only wanted Chester back as a backup.

I'm not laying blame on this regime, but this all goes to why this team isn't very good. We just flat-out lack play makers in every area of the team, and in particular offense.
You're not wrong here. I think that you're looking at them shoring up the defense mostly last year, and then they'll address the offense next year. I think the defense was the easier fix...the offense, having sucked for years, will take a lot of effort to fix. We haven't had playmakers on offense in over a decade.

the key word here is PLAYMAKERS !!!! we have some decent players but none of which scare any DC

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:28 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:The main problem is that we don't have a proven player personnel guy in the front office. Allen is more known for his handling of business-related issues, the cap, contracts, etc., and Shanahan has had a very spotty record in play acquisitions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I like Shanahan the coach, but as a personnel guy I have my doubts.
He's had a great track record in evaluating offensive players, and I think he knows his limitations. Hence a GM and a strong DC in Haslet.

A GM with very little experience evaluating players. Before becoming a front office guy Allen was an agent. He has zero experience evaluating or scouting players. He is here to handle the business side of things, not to be a personnel guy.

BigRedskinDaddy · Post by **BigRedskinDaddy** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:52 am

PulpExposure wrote:...We haven't had playmakers on offense in over a decade.

True.

<sigh>