How long will it take to rebuild the Redskins?

[skinsfan#33]

The Steve Spurrier era has got to be my personal darkest days as a Redskins fan. He successfully turned an NFL caliber team into a college level joke team in 2 seasons.

My darker years were the Nerv years and the 0-10 streak against the cowboys.... Of all the things Snyder has done, i think not firing Nerv the day aftr buying the team ranks side by side with signings of george, Smith, Deion, Archuleta, etc.
HaiL,

I think if Snyder had gotten control earlier in the off season he would have fired Norv, but he got control of the team too late to fire Norv before the 99 season. Then since Norv was afraid of losing his job (something he never experienced when John Cooke was running the team) and since Casserly had gotten him a real QB he went out and won the NFCE.

That almost forced Snyder to keep Norv in the off season following the NFCE championship.

[grampi]

Well let's see, the team has basically been rebuilding since 1992. 20 years later the team has made no progress whatsoever. I'd say at this pace we should see another Lombardi trophy in about 100 years....

[KazooSkinsFan]

whine, whine, whine...

[Judge]

Wait...I'm confused...

Which re-build are we talking about?

The one that started in 1993? Or 1998? 2003? 2006?

Or this most recent one in 2010?

Please be more specific.

[Skinsfan55]

It feels like we're spinning our wheels again.

[StorminMormon86]

If we do not finish this season any better than 6-10, then the Shanaplan has failed IMO.

[NYFINESTSKINSFAN]

How long have the Skins been rebuilding, your guess is as good as mine.

[langleyparkjoe]

Wait...I'm confused...

Which re-build are we talking about?

The one that started in 1993? Or 1998? 2003? 2006?

Or this most recent one in 2010?

Please be more specific.

That was actually a good laugh

[SkinsJock]

The most important thing to ensure we are heading in the right direction is to give the guys in charge here the time needed to get out of the mess that we we're in due to Snyder's terrible ownership and mis management


Bruce and Mike need time and will adjust - we are better

[Countertrey]

^ True. Caveat: I'm still not convinced that Kyle has what it takes to consistently construct, install, and manage a NFL offensive game plan on a highly competitive level.

[StorminMormon86]

^ True. Caveat: I'm still not convinced that Kyle has what it takes to consistently construct, install, and manage a NFL offensive game plan on a highly competitive level.

His offensive "strategy": Run, run, pass, punt. Then when we're down by 20 we abadon the run and it's pass, pass, pass, punt.

[skinsfan#33]

Well let's see, the team has basically been rebuilding since 1992. 20 years later the team has made no progress whatsoever. I'd say at this pace we should see another Lombardi trophy in about 100 years....

I disagree, I don't think we ever took the time to rebuild. We have been trying to win on the fly. We haven't rebuilt!

You might make the case that we tried to rebuild under Norv, but we had Norv coaching and Casserly as the GM. They both sucked! Norv as a coach and Charley as a GM. You can thank the two of them for six of those 19 years (19 not 20).

You know it took Wellington Mara until 1979 to hire George Young and after 2 decades of sucking and that was only because the Commisioner (Pete Rozelle) told them that they were embarrasing the NFL and they were hurting revenue and "highly recomended" that they hire their first GM.

Wellington said, "Fine, if you can find one, we'll hire him."

So the Giants beloved owner didn't even find the GM that built three SB teams and was basically coerced to hire him.

The Danny is already ahead of that schedule. No, I don't think Bruce Allen is George Young, but at least Snyder admitted he was doing it the wrong way (the first step to recovery) and hire a GM. Now he will eventually have hire a real GM, but we haven't had one of those since Beathard.

[SkinsJock]

... I'm still not convinced that Kyle has what it takes to consistently construct, install, and manage a NFL offensive game plan on a highly competitive level.

now this I agree with - exactly right trey

I like the fact that the guys in charge have a plan - we haven't had anything here for over 10 years

to be specific though, the game planning on both offense and defense also gives me some cause for concern
there is no doubt that we have been badly hurt by injuries and this is worse because we have little depth



HOWEVER - we are an improved group from what we were looking at a few years ago

[markshark84]

Honestly, we won't be able to rebuild until we get a full out GM. Casserly was a last true GM and he was horrendous. Vinny was just a yes man and Allen is more a business/personnell guy.

I may be wrong about Allen (and I hope I am), but until we get a full out GM -- they type of GM that only cares about building teams form a player perspective AND little Danny gets out of the way -- we will continue to spin our wheels.

[SkinsJock]

We do NOT need a GM - we have guys in charge here now

Bruce Allen & Mike Shanahan make ALL the decisions as it pertains to what happens on the field

They do not report to anyone
- if they do not succeed as GM, President or whatever it is they do, they will not have THAT job anymore

HOPEFULLY Snyder will give them time - we all saw the results of Snyder's management

THAT is why we are in the mess we're in

[skinsfan#33]

We do NOT need a GM -

HOPEFULLY Snyder will give them time - we all saw the results of Snyder's management

THAT is why we are in the mess we're in

To be honest the mess started long before Snyder got here, about the time Bobby Beathard left for San Diego.

[SkinsJock]

We do NOT need a GM -

HOPEFULLY Snyder will give them time - we all saw the results of Snyder's management

THAT is why we are in the mess we're in

To be honest the mess started long before Snyder got here, about the time one Bobby Breakfasts left for San Diego.

I'm sorry - what the hell does that have to do with this? Bobby 'Breakfasts' WAS a GM - he doesn't have a clue about today's NFL

'we' are now trying to get this franchise straightened out from the mess created by Snyder
NOTHING that happened more than a few years ago has any pertinence here

we all can reminisce about Sammy Baugh and Vince Lombardi - reality is these guys are trying to put things back together here

give them time to do things right, please

[chiefhog44]

It takes time. Our fan base is such an "I want it now" fanbase that it creates an environment of instability. The owner has been owning like a fan for ten years, and it's got us nowhere. Full of knee jerk reactions to good and bad performances, wanting everyone fired if there's a rough patch (it's so funny to read all the topic names on the forum). Dan has had three VERY good coaches come through here, one he fired, one that got us back to playoffs, and one that is 18 months into the job. The first two, when given time, has produced here (Schott was just about to hit his stride IMO). Give this coaching staff time.

We've had to makeover the entire team to make it into a team that Shanny knows how to win with...just like Schott, just like Gibbs, just like any good coach. Sometimes a coach lucks out and steps into a good situation and starts winning. Sometimes not. When you have the kind of team we had two years ago, that is pretty unlikely.

So you start building. Putting the pieces in place...and it's ever changing too. Every year the roster is overhauled, looking for upgrades to run your system, and when you get to the point that you have enough good starters, you start filling in the reserves. And if, along the way, you end up in a position to draft a QB that FITS your system, not necessarily who everyone is enamored with, but fits your system, you pick him up. You can stay competitive with a decent QB and a good surrounding cast, look at all of our teams in the late 80's and through the 90's. Those teams were for the most part good to excellent and always competitive with an average QB.

So how long does this take? More than 18 months. Give it time. Please, I don't want to start over. We're on the right path. We're getting better. Not seeing improvement? Well, we're not that good yet, but in my opinion, the defense is MUCH better than last year. That's improvement. Not dominant yet, but it'll come. If we keep taking steps to improve this team each year, we'll get that opportunity to draft that QB and the team will be built to drive with many good reserves. I hope our owner starts owning like an owner and gives the coaches the time they need.

Hail

[Chris Luva Luva]

It takes time. Our fan base is such an "I want it now" fanbase that it creates an environment of instability.

The fans are just as bad as Snyder. People here clamoring for a new coach, a new OC, a new this or that. You're just as bad as Snyder. Everyone here cried and whined for stability and at the 1st sign of trouble, U want to quit. It makes me sick to my stomach, seriously.

[StorminMormon86]

The same fans who are screaming, "patience, patience, patience" are the same ones wanting Beck's head on a platter after the Bills game.

[SkinsJock]

I don't think Beck's a very good QB but he's the best we have

hopefully Beck can stay healthy and help this team this year and next

Grossman will play some and hopefully help this team but I seriously doubt that he's here next season


NOBODY playing here is guaranteed anything as these guys continue to find out who wants it the most and who fits best with what we have

This team will benefit a lot from a normal off season of OTAs, free agency PLUS another draft

next season will see an improved product - we will be contending for a playoff spot

these losses are going to make the wins feel a little better - there will be some wins

[KazooSkinsFan]

The fans are just as bad as Snyder. People here clamoring for a new coach, a new OC, a new this or that. You're just as bad as Snyder. Everyone here cried and whined for stability and at the 1st sign of trouble, U want to quit. It makes me sick to my stomach, seriously.

[CanesSkins26]

We do NOT need a GM - we have guys in charge here now

Bruce Allen & Mike Shanahan make ALL the decisions as it pertains to what happens on the field

They do not report to anyone
- if they do not succeed as GM, President or whatever it is they do, they will not have THAT job anymore

HOPEFULLY Snyder will give them time - we all saw the results of Snyder's management

THAT is why we are in the mess we're in

It's very debatable if they are the right people for the job. Allen was not successful in Tampa and Shanahan was not successful in the role of GM/coach in Denver.

[SkinsJock]

No question that some will NOT like or think that these guys can do the job

What is NOT debatable is that we are better off with these guys than we were before 2 years ago

What is NOT debatable is that there is NOW a plan where before 2 years ago there was NONE

What is VERY clear is that SOME progress is being made and TIME IS NEEDED to see WHAT these guys can do


I am NOT a Mike Shanahan fan as HC by any stretch - I have a lot of concerns
BUT - these guys should be given time to see what they can do

[PickSixerTWSS]

What I think is that.... well personally like the most of u I wish that Snyder was fired his 1st year here but obviously that didn't happen. Anyway the 1st step is getting a quarterback! (Yeah I know you have hheard that one a billion times.) Whether its Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Robert Griffin(BTW i think we will draft RobertG.),or someother good qb i don't know of we need one. I think right now if Jarvis Jenkins WAS in we would have a better defense. So I believe as only of DEPTH we are great. I think at linebacker we're fine. same with safety. As starters go RB's and OLine are fine. the things we mainly need to upgrade are :[b]QUARTERBACK:Big physicall WR's:and cover corners. That makes my case.( Ill probbably quote this and add stuff later.)