Countertrey wrote:I have no particular bone to gnaw on here. I have no particular religious belief. I am, at times, offended by the closed minds of certain sects. The Constitution does not protect me from being offended... nor should it. I work against any effort to impose their values on the rest of us. I also work against any effort to impose values on them... Make no mistake... antitheism is as closed minded as any fundamentalist Christian cult.
I am not closed minded at all. For example: I have been a Christian. Now I am an Atheist. If you are religious, have you ever been an Atheist?
langleyparkjoe wrote:Not a knock towards any of you but God first, everything else in life is second.
God first you say? Not family? Not personal responsibility?
God first bro.. without Him I don't believe there is such a thing as a beating heart. Everything we do is our own choice given to us.. what we do with it is up to us obviously but its pretty simple to me; just do what you know is right and don't do what you know is wrong. Simple motto for me to follow. Family, I'm a family guy (lol) but I also believe my inner strength comes from somewhere my man, hence it being called faith. Personal responsibility, of course I do bro.. when I know I did something that I personally felt was wrong, I pray on it man and I ask for strength not to make those same mistakes again. Of course, its always back to faith.. believing in something that you may or may not see.
langleyparkjoe wrote:Not a knock towards any of you but God first, everything else in life is second.
God first you say? Not family? Not personal responsibility?
God first bro.. without Him I don't believe there is such a thing as a beating heart. Everything we do is our own choice given to us.. what we do with it is up to us obviously but its pretty simple to me; just do what you know is right and don't do what you know is wrong. Simple motto for me to follow. Family, I'm a family guy (lol) but I also believe my inner strength comes from somewhere my man, hence it being called faith. Personal responsibility, of course I do bro.. when I know I did something that I personally felt was wrong, I pray on it man and I ask for strength not to make those same mistakes again. Of course, its always back to faith.. believing in something that you may or may not see.
What if your faith (and not saying it is or does) asked you to sacrifice a family member? Would you choose religion over family?
ATX_Skins wrote:the factual evidence exists that when a person dies, for that length of time, they will parish
This is a logical fallacy called "begging the question." If you don't know what it means but heard it in the press, they use it wrong so don't go by that.
What is the "factual evidence?"
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
ATX_Skins wrote:What would you like to discuss Kaz? What is your religion? Let's start there
I believe in God because randomness doesn't explain everything I see. I believe God is good. I believe happiness is a choice and only a good God would allow us the power to be happy. I do not believe we are capable of comprehending God other then that in this life other then that so I don't worry about it other then to try to be a decent person and to grow.
I don't believe a kindergartner needs to really understand much about their teacher to know they are good and they are taking care of them. Other then that, I don't worry about it. I certainly don't listen to self deluded morons like evangelical christians or atheists who actually believe they know THE actual answer to the question of God's existance.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
ATX_Skins wrote:What would you like to discuss Kaz? What is your religion? Let's start there
I believe in God because randomness doesn't explain everything I see. I believe God is good. I believe happiness is a choice and only a good God would allow us the power to be happy. I do not believe we are capable of comprehending God other then that in this life other then that so I don't worry about it other then to try to be a decent person and to grow.
I don't believe a kindergartner needs to really understand much about their teacher to know they are good and they are taking care of them. Other then that, I don't worry about it. I certainly don't listen to self deluded morons like evangelical christians or atheists who actually believe they know THE actual answer to the question of God's existance.
Atheists are morons because they do not believe in God? Sounds rather slighted. What if I said Christians are morons because of their faith?
Religion is stupid btw. You also never answered my question. I thought I had made it rather simple. What is your faith?
Countertrey wrote:I have no particular bone to gnaw on here. I have no particular religious belief. I am, at times, offended by the closed minds of certain sects. The Constitution does not protect me from being offended... nor should it. I work against any effort to impose their values on the rest of us. I also work against any effort to impose values on them... Make no mistake... antitheism is as closed minded as any fundamentalist Christian cult.
I am not closed minded at all. For example: I have been a Christian. Now I am an Atheist. If you are religious, have you ever been an Atheist?
Since when you were a Christian you thought you knew "the" answer and now you're an atheist saying you know "the" answer. Did it ever occur to you that you could be wrong...again? Especially since you're saying the "facts" are behind you now, though you haven't named them.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
ATX_Skins wrote:the factual evidence exists that when a person dies, for that length of time, they will parish
This is a logical fallacy called "begging the question." If you don't know what it means but heard it in the press, they use it wrong so don't go by that.
What is the "factual evidence?"
What kind of question is that
It's obvious someone has interviewed a person that died
Took that information and compared it to what other persons that died too
Then compiled that research and presented it too a panel of experts on the subject of dead people who hadn't perished and proved them wrong. because those experts couldn't produce any factual evidence from their dead persons.
Everybody knows this...
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ATX_Skins wrote:What would you like to discuss Kaz? What is your religion? Let's start there
I believe in God because randomness doesn't explain everything I see. I believe God is good. I believe happiness is a choice and only a good God would allow us the power to be happy. I do not believe we are capable of comprehending God other then that in this life other then that so I don't worry about it other then to try to be a decent person and to grow.
I don't believe a kindergartner needs to really understand much about their teacher to know they are good and they are taking care of them. Other then that, I don't worry about it. I certainly don't listen to self deluded morons like evangelical christians or atheists who actually believe they know THE actual answer to the question of God's existance.
Atheists are morons because they do not believe in God? Sounds rather slighted. What if I said Christians are morons because of their faith?
Religion is stupid btw. You also never answered my question. I thought I had made it rather simple. What is your faith?
Oops, that's not what I said, is it? It's not strengthening your argument that you have to change what I said rather then address it. These "facts" you're right you've cited but not named seem to be more in doubt as you can't even address what's actually said.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
ATX_Skins wrote:What would you like to discuss Kaz? What is your religion? Let's start there
I believe in God because randomness doesn't explain everything I see. I believe God is good. I believe happiness is a choice and only a good God would allow us the power to be happy. I do not believe we are capable of comprehending God other then that in this life other then that so I don't worry about it other then to try to be a decent person and to grow.
I don't believe a kindergartner needs to really understand much about their teacher to know they are good and they are taking care of them. Other then that, I don't worry about it. I certainly don't listen to self deluded morons like evangelical christians or atheists who actually believe they know THE actual answer to the question of God's existance.
Atheists are morons because they do not believe in God? Sounds rather slighted. What if I said Christians are morons because of their faith?
Religion is stupid btw. You also never answered my question. I thought I had made it rather simple. What is your faith?
Oops, that's not what I said, is it? It's not strengthening your argument that you have to change what I said rather then address it. These "facts" you're right you've cited but not named seem to be more in doubt as you can't even address what's actually said.
It's not strengthening your argument when you cannot stand up for your own faith... again Kaz, what is your religion? If you are going to doubt evangelical christians, you might as well doubt you own faith.
I, personally, have factual evidence that there is a God. But I can not prove it to anyone else, because my experiences were mine alone, and there is no way to prove they happened.
PS ATX, I love how you used the word "parish," when you meant "perish." What a Freudian slip!
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Wait, is it still the bye week? I thought there was a game in a few days? If there was a God, certainly he would make it so we wouldn't be talking about this right now!
cvillehog wrote:Wait, is it still the bye week? I thought there was a game in a few days? If there was a God, certainly he would make it so we wouldn't be talking about this right now!
ATX_Skins wrote:It's not strengthening your argument when you cannot stand up for your own faith... again Kaz, what is your religion? If you are going to doubt evangelical christians, you might as well doubt you own faith.
Objection your honor, asked and answered. Counsel is badgering the witness. Since you missed it...
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:What would you like to discuss Kaz? What is your religion? Let's start there
I believe in God because randomness doesn't explain everything I see. I believe God is good. I believe happiness is a choice and only a good God would allow us the power to be happy. I do not believe we are capable of comprehending God other then that in this life other then that so I don't worry about it other then to try to be a decent person and to grow.
I don't believe a kindergartner needs to really understand much about their teacher to know they are good and they are taking care of them. Other then that, I don't worry about it. I certainly don't listen to self deluded morons like evangelical christians or atheists who actually believe they know THE actual answer to the question of God's existance.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Cappster wrote:I don't believe Kaz is religious, but believes that there is a supreme being. God and religion are not synonymous with one another.
If that was the case he could have answered my question rather easily, but did not.
I am aware the two are not synonymous.
Actually I did...on the last page. And I just posted it again to make it easy for you. BTW, you even responded to a point in that post. Is this the thing again where you understand the difference between God and religion but my believing in the former and not the latter doesn't make sense to you? You realize you have not made a single statement that actually shows you grasp the difference and you have made many that demonstrate you don't.
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Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
cvillehog wrote:Wait, is it still the bye week? I thought there was a game in a few days? If there was a God, certainly he would make it so we wouldn't be talking about this right now!
It's the team that's practicing, we're still in a two week gap between games
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
ATX_Skins wrote:I have some free time today so if anyone would like to defend religion, by all means I would love to hear what you have to say.
What are people supposed to be defending religion against? I haven't seen any criticisms of it . . . just a guy looking up at the clouds and saying he lives by reality. Not exactly heavy-hitting material there.
ATX_Skins wrote:I have some free time today so if anyone would like to defend religion, by all means I would love to hear what you have to say.
What are people supposed to be defending religion against? I haven't seen any criticisms of it . . . just a guy looking up at the clouds and saying he lives by reality. Not exactly heavy-hitting material there.
I didn't make the thread, not sure why I should have to do the heavy hitting...
