Andrew Luck scenario

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:44 pm

So here's something that occurred to me this weekend. Let's assume for th moment that Peyton Manning misses a significant number of games this season and by the time he's ready to come back, the colts are in last place in the league.

The colts may not want to risk bringing Peyton back this year for no reason, especially since if gets seriously injured they'd be on the hook for the rest of his contract. Meanwhile, the colts have an easy out in the contract after the first year. If they don't pay the next roster bonus, they can get out of the rest of the contract after year one.

Now with Peyton in his mid 30s, he doesn't have that much time left, whereas the Colts could reload with Andrew Luck and possibly be set for another 10-15 years like they were with Peyton.

What would you do? Cut ties and move on? Or hope you can get another good 3 or 4 years and another super bowl out of Peyton?

Not convinced the smart move wouldn't be to move on... what do you guys think?

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:14 pm

If he's actually available to them it's an easy call - pick him. No reason to pass. Manning is way closer to the end than the beginning. Remember all the pundits scratching their heads about the Pack moving on with Rodgers? I remember thinking "Why the hell not."

DarthMonk

Skeletor wrote:So here's something that occurred to me this weekend. Let's assume for th moment that Peyton Manning misses a significant number of games this season and by the time he's ready to come back, the colts are in last place in the league.

The colts may not want to risk bringing Peyton back this year for no reason, especially since if gets seriously injured they'd be on the hook for the rest of his contract. Meanwhile, the colts have an easy out in the contract after the first year. If they don't pay the next roster bonus, they can get out of the rest of the contract after year one.

Now with Peyton in his mid 30s, he doesn't have that much time left, whereas the Colts could reload with Andrew Luck and possibly be set for another 10-15 years like they were with Peyton.

What would you do? Cut ties and move on? Or hope you can get another good 3 or 4 years and another super bowl out of Peyton?

Not convinced the smart move wouldn't be to move on... what do you guys think?

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:11 pm

Not sure how much Cam Newton got this year under the rookie wage scale, but I doubt the Colts could afford to pay Manning $25 mil a year and pay Luck 1st overall pick money.

So the question really is, which one would you choose? An aging Manning or an unproven Luck.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:49 pm

Skeletor wrote:So here's something that occurred to me this weekend. Let's assume for th moment that Peyton Manning misses a significant number of games this season and by the time he's ready to come back, the colts are in last place in the league.

The colts may not want to risk bringing Peyton back this year for no reason, especially since if gets seriously injured they'd be on the hook for the rest of his contract. Meanwhile, the colts have an easy out in the contract after the first year. If they don't pay the next roster bonus, they can get out of the rest of the contract after year one.

Now with Peyton in his mid 30s, he doesn't have that much time left, whereas the Colts could reload with Andrew Luck and possibly be set for another 10-15 years like they were with Peyton.

What would you do? Cut ties and move on? Or hope you can get another good 3 or 4 years and another super bowl out of Peyton?

Not convinced the smart move wouldn't be to move on... what do you guys think?

I think that any franchise would love to add a QB like Andrew Luck - especially if a QB like Andrew Luck was available at a time when the QB you have was approaching the end of their career - DUH

IF the Colts OR ANY franchise are able to draft Andrew Luck - they should, AT THAT TIME

I don't really get what the point is though - this is the first week of the NFL season and the college season is in it's 2nd week - what the hell does Andrew Luck have to do with the NFL - there's a lot that will and could happen BEFORE any NFL franchise starts to consider their needs for 2012 and beyond

this is almost, but NOT quite, as STUPID as the idea that an NFL franchise would consider 'tanking' a season to get ANY college player BEFORE the season even begins :roll:

just tell us that you were kidding, and I'll say that I was sorry for pointing to the SHEER STUPIDITY of this "idea" :lol:

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:20 am

wow, sheer stupidity?

It is an interesting scenario. I'm sorry you can't see anything beyond the here and now. I find it an interesting conundrum, like many other topics debated on sports talk radio.

What's stupid about considering an interesting scenario and trying to figure out what you would do?

If you don't care to speculate, that's fine. But don't call other people stupid.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:49 pm

I'm not calling anyone stupid - :lol:

I'm just pointing out how stupid it is to think that an NFL franchise would consider what they are going to do in next year's draft BEFORE the first game of the season :wink:

a subtle difference

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:50 am

Pro Football Talk is reporting that Bill Polian was scouting Luck this weekend...

God, that Polian guy is stupid.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:26 pm

- nice try - I'm sure we have guys scouting Luck and any other college players, at positions of possible need, that are going to be available for the 2012 draft too - DUH

like I said, nice try - but THAT was not what I was referring to :roll:

I do think the Colts have a real concern about Manning and will do their due diligence about the QB position mainly because they have no depth at QB - that's why they had to bring in Collins
they need to bring in someone VERY soon after what we saw this week

apart from doing what every franchise is doing with regards to getting as much information as they can about both college and NFL players they will cross that bridge a little further down the road - the prognosis for Manning does not look too bad after this recent surgery

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:25 am

http://nfl-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssp ... 8/31927561

Face it, SkinsJock, I called this one early. You can call whatever you want "stupid" but I was dead on with my scenario before any of the pundits starting talking about the exact same thing. Colts may actually face a decision this offseason of choosing between Manning and Luck.

But please tell you were just joking, and I won't point out the sheer stupidity of your posts anymore...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:09 pm

I don't doubt that any franchise is looking at Luck and ALL college players that might fit their perceived needs
have you heard about the 'new' idea of NFL franchises employing 'college scouts' :lol:

more power to you for thinking that you're onto something "NEW" here - NOT :lol:

as far as wanting to point out the "stupidity" of my posts - have at it, better people than you have tried that :roll:

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:43 pm

If they picked Andy Luck, then good on them. That's how it's done. Aaron Rogers is the perfect example. QB is the most important position on the field, and you need to do whatever you can to make sure it's adequately filled.

If used to be, you'd ride it out with a franchise star until they rode off into the sunset. Marino played until he was 38, the Dolphins never addressed the QB position, same with Jim Kelly, Bart Starr, Johnny U, and others. You need to be pro-active. The 49ers had it right by bringing in Steve Young before Joe Montana was through, and so did the Packers in bringing in Rogers.

Getting a QB in the next couple years only makes sense in keeping up the winning tradition.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:42 pm

If the Colts get Luck.... I'll be irate. LOLOL

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:17 pm

WE don't suck....

WE don't want Luck.........

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:40 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:WE don't suck....

WE don't want Luck.........

Me personally Skel, I like the aging Peyton over the unproven kid. Just IMO of course but what do I know :?:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:50 pm

Any and ALL franchises try to have a really good QB - it's the most important position
The Colts should have known (a lot sooner) that the back up QB was not going to get the job done and they had to bring in Collins
At this time the Colts are like anyone else and hoping they can get Andrew Luck - then they will have the luxury of having him get ready to play when Peyton is no longer able to get the job done

nobody (EXCEPT maybe RR56), on any franchise, is planning on what to do with Andrew Luck AT THIS TIME - that would be like planning on how to spend your winnings in a lottery - it ain't happening :lol:

There will be considerable pressure on the franchise that wins the right to draft Andrew Luck to trade out of that pick - that will be a lot of fun to watch

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:51 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:WE don't suck....

WE don't want Luck.........

Me personally Skel, I like the aging Peyton over the unproven kid. Just IMO of course but what do I know

I hear you. I think the wild card in this is Peyton's health. If he doesn't play again this season, that's a really tough call to make whether to cut/trade him, or pay $25 million a year not knowing if he'll ever take the field again.

I'm not at all suggesting the colts are making this decision now. But at the end of last year--or even when they signed him to an extension this offseason-- who woulda thunk it that they could even contemplate parting ways with Peyton?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:32 pm

The prognosis for Peyton combined with the ability leads me to think that the Colts would be ecstatic to have Peyton playing and Andrew Luck getting ready to take over
any & EVERY NFL franchise will be watching/scouting Luck very carefully with the idea of either being able to draft him or making the biggest deal the NFL has seen to get him

Peyton will be playing for the Colts until he decides he's had enough
that ain't going to happen in the next year or 2 .... or 3 :wink:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:35 pm

man am I glad that Dumb & Dumber aren't running things here

there's ZERO chance that this franchise is giving up everything for Andrew Luck with Mike running things

and we are not drafting in the top 10 next draft

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