Jason Campbell

[Countertrey]

emoses14 pontificated:

All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing.

It hadn't been said... it needed to be said... so it WAS said. There was no suggestion that he didn't work hard... no suggestion that he didn't deserve a shot... no suggestion that he was not talented...

If you look back, you will see that I was one of his supporters... but, it became clear... He was (and, apparently, still is) missing a major intangible... It's a simple fact, to which you defer. So, what is your point?

[SkinsJock]

I just do not agree that he made the type of effort that a player needs to make to get to the next level

Please cite just one piece of information to support your claim that JC did not work hard enough because I don't think that you can. It's one thing to call out JC for not succeeding as a qb, but don't call into question his work ethic and commitment to the team with ZERO PROOF.

"ZERO PROOF" - this is a web site - where are you coming from

[CanesSkins26]

I just do not agree that he made the type of effort that a player needs to make to get to the next level

Please cite just one piece of information to support your claim that JC did not work hard enough because I don't think that you can. It's one thing to call out JC for not succeeding as a qb, but don't call into question his work ethic and commitment to the team with ZERO PROOF.

PROOF - that's BS - this is not a case of law - give me a break

My opinion is based on ZERO reports or stories of this QB demonstarting and showing strong leadership and taking players around him to task for not doing what was needed

We all see good QBs showing leadership - that is a part of the "IT" that Campbell does not have

You can think that this guy tried to be better but in my book he did not try hard enough

good luck to him - I used to hope he would get it together (pardon the pun) - he just did not try hard enough and his leadership was really lacking

Now you're completely backtracking because you can't support your argument. First you said: "Guy just does not have the desire to be better OR to do what it takes to be THE QB".

Now you're talking about lack of leadership and making players around him better. Those are two completely issues.

The bottom line is that you called into question JC's work ethic and dedication with nothing to support it. It's stupid and worthless argument.

[jeremyroyce]

Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?

Well, he had this to say:

“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”

Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.

Well, I'm not surprised by Jason Campbell comments. That's just typical of him. All of his excuses. It's never his fault as to why he CAN'T succeed. It's always someone else fault.

Sorry, that's just a bunch of BS. JC's supporters were the ones always making those excuses for him. JC never said "I'm not good because these jacka$$es in DC can't hire a decent HC, figure out that you let football people make football decisions, leave well enough alone for more than 3 months or fire Vinny, etc, etc, etc." All he ever said was something to the effect of "I'm going to do my job and lead the team, blah blah blah" All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing. JC himself didn't make these excuses, he isn't albert haynesworthless, lavar arrington, carlos rogers, etc. He'll never be as good as his supporters think he is or should be, nor will he ever be as bad as you blind detractors believe him to be because he happened to be one of the more minor flaws with our seriously flawed team for so long. He's absolutely correct, it should be clear to all that he most definitely was not "the source of all their [the redskins] problems".

What amazes me is that we had two other QB'S that were atleast more productive then Jason Campbell with the same offense. Mark Brunell and Todd Collins and both got us to the playoffs. And I don't want to hear the excuse that we backed in because that crap won't fly with me. And Jason Campbell is sucking it up with the Raiders. And Jason needs to keep his mouth shut and stop blaming everybody else for his flaws.

[emoses14]

emoses14 pontificated:

All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing.

It hadn't been said... it needed to be said... so it WAS said. There was no suggestion that he didn't work hard... no suggestion that he didn't deserve a shot... no suggestion that he was not talented...

If you look back, you will see that I was one of his supporters... but, it became clear... He was (and, apparently, still is) missing a major intangible... It's a simple fact, to which you defer. So, what is your point?

Read the post to which I was responding more carefully. The attack on JC IN THAT POST was that HE was saying, as was typical of HIM that it wasn't his fault he couldn't suceed, that HE always making excuses for HIS poor play. That is just not true. So, I very cleary said, (to paraphrase) "no he did not, his supporters did". JC deserved a lot of heat for his inability to step up, you so called "fans" who then continue to pile on with accusations of JC making excuses, or his not working hard are, as I stated, embarrasing. There are enough legit knocks on him (wasn't a good enough leader, didn't have the right intangibles, couldn't hit the a receiver in stride at over 25 yards, etc.) to be able to refrain from resorting to conjecture.

That was, and is, my point.

[SkinsJock]

Now you're completely backtracking because you can't support your argument. First you said: "Guy just does not have the desire to be better OR to do what it takes to be THE QB".

Now you're talking about lack of leadership and making players around him better. Those are two completely issues.

The bottom line is that you called into question JC's work ethic and dedication with nothing to support it. It's stupid and worthless argument.

I could care less about "supporting" ANYTHING

let me make it VERY clear for you - I don't question his work ethic - I just don't think he tried hard enough
Campbell worked hard at being QB BUT he did not work hard enough at being the QB we needed - there is a difference

I thought that Campbell might be able to help this franchise and kind of bought into the too many OCs deal and too many different schemes - over time I saw from his play and his lack of emotion that he was NEVER going to be the QB we needed here

I could care less about what happened - THE FACT IS Campbell was NEVER EVER going to amount to squat here

we are better off without him and we actually are better off for having brought in McNabb instead of Campbell - the deal did not work out but we don't have Campbell and to me that's a GREAT thing for this franchise

hey Canes - you stick with your thoughts about Campbell and I'll be happy to stick with mine

He's where he belongs and we are moving on - NO THANKS to what he did while he was here

[Countertrey]

emoses14 pontificated:

All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing.

It hadn't been said... it needed to be said... so it WAS said. There was no suggestion that he didn't work hard... no suggestion that he didn't deserve a shot... no suggestion that he was not talented...

If you look back, you will see that I was one of his supporters... but, it became clear... He was (and, apparently, still is) missing a major intangible... It's a simple fact, to which you defer. So, what is your point?

Read the post to which I was responding more carefully. The attack on JC IN THAT POST was that HE was saying, as was typical of HIM that it wasn't his fault he couldn't suceed, that HE always making excuses for HIS poor play. That is just not true. So, I very cleary said, (to paraphrase) "no he did not, his supporters did". JC deserved a lot of heat for his inability to step up, you so called "fans" who then continue to pile on with accusations of JC making excuses, or his not working hard are, as I stated, embarrasing. There are enough legit knocks on him (wasn't a good enough leader, didn't have the right intangibles, couldn't hit the a receiver in stride at over 25 yards, etc.) to be able to refrain from resorting to conjecture.

That was, and is, my point.

There we go... Got it! We're good.

[jeremyroyce]

One thing I would like to mention is in 2008 the Redskins were coming off a playoff loss to the Seahawks in January. Then in Joe Zorn first year the Redskins started off 6-2 and everybody was talking about the Redskins and what good team they had and how we going to be in the playoffs and then comes disaster going 2-6 and finishing the season at 8-8 and all the excuses come right after it why Jason Campbell couldn't succeed. The offensive line was terrible, and he had no receivers and too many of this and too many of that. That is all Jason Campbell is excuses. He is the most excused QB in the NFL.

[Skinsfan55]

I could care less about "supporting" ANYTHING

let me make it VERY clear for you - I don't question his work ethic - I just don't think he tried hard enough
Campbell worked hard at being QB BUT he did not work hard enough at being the QB we needed - there is a difference

Thanks for clearing that up

[KazooSkinsFan]

let me make it VERY clear for you - I don't question his work ethic - I just don't think he tried hard enough
Campbell worked hard at being QB BUT he did not work hard enough at being the QB we needed - there is a difference

What is that difference?

[KazooSkinsFan]

One thing I would like to mention is in 2008 the Redskins were coming off a playoff loss to the Seahawks in January. Then in Joe Zorn first year the Redskins started off 6-2 and everybody was talking about the Redskins and what good team they had and how we going to be in the playoffs and then comes disaster going 2-6 and finishing the season at 8-8 and all the excuses come right after it why Jason Campbell couldn't succeed. The offensive line was terrible, and he had no receivers and too many of this and too many of that. That is all Jason Campbell is excuses. He is the most excused QB in the NFL.

I remember well the discussion on the board when we were on the way to 6-2 was that Jason Campbell needed to play better. At the time most of us thought he would as the season progressed. A lot of people make the claim everyone thought everything was perfect when we were 6-2. It makes a good story but it's not the way it was.

[emoses14]

emoses14 pontificated:

All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing.

It hadn't been said... it needed to be said... so it WAS said. There was no suggestion that he didn't work hard... no suggestion that he didn't deserve a shot... no suggestion that he was not talented...

If you look back, you will see that I was one of his supporters... but, it became clear... He was (and, apparently, still is) missing a major intangible... It's a simple fact, to which you defer. So, what is your point?

Read the post to which I was responding more carefully. The attack on JC IN THAT POST was that HE was saying, as was typical of HIM that it wasn't his fault he couldn't suceed, that HE always making excuses for HIS poor play. That is just not true. So, I very cleary said, (to paraphrase) "no he did not, his supporters did". JC deserved a lot of heat for his inability to step up, you so called "fans" who then continue to pile on with accusations of JC making excuses, or his not working hard are, as I stated, embarrasing. There are enough legit knocks on him (wasn't a good enough leader, didn't have the right intangibles, couldn't hit the a receiver in stride at over 25 yards, etc.) to be able to refrain from resorting to conjecture.

That was, and is, my point.

There we go... Got it! We're good.

. Really didn't want to be on your bad side

[Skinsfan55]

The overall point is that Jason Campbell was never properly developed, protected or outfitted with tools by the Redskins.

He is a guy with loads of talent who I believe would have thrived in a better situation. He's a hard worker who wasn't a vocal leader. Does Tom Brady or Peyton Manning go around yelling at their fellow players? Do they get all animated or do they show up, work and lead by example.

It's my opinion that Jason Campbell had or has what it takes to become a success in the NFL but this talent was never properly cultivated in large parts to the plethora of different offenses he was exposed to and the lack of protection he got in DC.

Furthermore I think it should be fairly obvious that we'd have been a lot better off with him as QB last season and would continue to be better with him going forward.

[Irn-Bru]

The overall point is that Jason Campbell was never properly developed, protected or outfitted with tools by the Redskins.

That's a much more reserved argument than what you started with. The first post talks about how we dumped him the first chance we got (false) and how he didn't have any supporting cast (again, false).

I also disagree that he wasn't properly developed. Two years on the bench and a patient three years as a starter should have been enough time for a worthy professional to show a little more production. People overuse the "new system" stat; JC was the center of attention for multiple years and given plenty of opportunities to succeed.

Furthermore I think it should be fairly obvious that we'd have been a lot better off with him as QB last season and would continue to be better with him going forward.

Totally disagree. Campbell might find some success elsewhere but I saw enough in five years to know that he would never lead Washington to a Superbowl. Perhaps I'm wrong, but at any rate there is no way it's "obvious" that we'd have been "a lot better off with him as QB last season and would continue to be better with him going forward."

[Countertrey]

IrnBru said:

I also disagree that he wasn't properly developed. Two years on the bench and a patient three years as a starter should have been enough time for a worthy professional to show a little more production.

And, don't forget, those years were under the tutelage of two coaches known for their quarterback development skills...

[Red_One43]

The overall point is that Jason Campbell was never properly developed, protected or outfitted with tools by the Redskins.

How about giving us some facts or at least observations concerning your opinion that he was not properly developed.

Explain how Joe Gibbs, Al Saunders and Jim Zorn do not know how to develop QBs. What did you see that Gibbs or the other two did that hurt JC.

JC sat for a year and a half. He wasn't thrown to the wolves.

Explain why JC was ineffective in leading this team in 2007 even after starting the last part of 2006 in the Al Saunders offense. Saying that Collins was well schooled does not explain why Campbell didn't succeed. Was Collins properly protected any more than Campbell? Was Collins outfitted with more tools than Campbell when he won 4 straight games?

Show us some fact on the O line in 2007 that indicated that Campbell wasn't properly protected. Big Ben wasn't properly protected this year and they went to the Super Bowl. Big Ben won games with his feet - something Gibbs told us Campbell would do when he drafted him.

I think that is it cool that you want to stick up for Campbell, but can you provide some substance to base your opinion on like this below?

The 2007 O line gave up 29 sacks for 13th lowest sack total. That is only three away from the top ten.

[SkinsJock]

If a player on the Patriots offense makes a bad play or runs a bad route the guy that gets on him FORCIBLY and makes sure that that player does NOT make that mistake again is Tom Brady - Peyton also is tireless in making sure that ALL the players on offense are on the same page and are aware that he's in charge

Campbell tried to help the offense and he tried to know the offense but he never seemed to take 'control' of the offense and I don't think that he worked on his rapport and leadership with the players on offense enough

The QB needs to be more than a player - the QB needs to be THE man and Campbell does not have the intangibles that will make him anything better than just another QB

I'd rather have a QB like McNabb that stands up for himself than a wuss like Campbell

[mastdark81]

Campbell wasn't as bad as people make him out to be. I think everyone can agree that he wasn't Joe Montana (most teams don't have a Joe). But what I think Skinsfans55 is trying to say is he was giving bad circumstances here in DC just like other QB's that have been here under SNYDER. I can only think of one that actually played pro bowl level (Brad Johnson out of like 20 haha).

He didn't win games and didn't do it for a significant amount of time so fans hated him. Guy was tough and was traded to a organization that may be more of a joke....cut him some slack. Infact he's better than Grossman and Beck...lets just worry about our own qb's and let the man chill out WEST.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Campbell wasn't as bad as people make him out to be. I think everyone can agree that he wasn't Joe Montana (most teams don't have a Joe). But what I think Skinsfans55 is trying to say is he was giving bad circumstances here in DC just like other QB's that have been here under SNYDER. I can only think of one that actually played pro bowl level (Brad Johnson out of like 20 haha).

He didn't win games and didn't do it for a significant amount of time so fans hated him. Guy was tough and was traded to a organization that may be more of a joke....cut him some slack. Infact he's better than Grossman and Beck...lets just worry about our own qb's and let the man chill out WEST.

Our choice is to want him to be our quarterback or to hate him? I reject that as the crap that it is

[SkinsJock]

Campbell won more games than the Skins did last year. Tom Cable is a nut, then again so is Al Davis. Campbell is the hands down starter in Oakland with a head coach that loves him, and always has

Campbell 7 - 6
Gradkowski 1 - 2
Redskins 6 - 10

Good for Campbell that he gets to go into a season as the starter with both HC and OC in his corner. He has a running game and a good D (two things the Skins lacked last year). He is in a weak division. This is his season to shine. If there is a place for Campbell it is here.

I'm glad for him - as I've said before - he was NOT going to get the job done here but It seems like IF it's going to work for him, Oakland might be it

I doubt it but I wish him well

[burgngold4life]

A QB that will take you to the promise land is one that actually takes command, and is accountable for everything that happens on the field when the offense is on it.. atleast for the most part. This type of QB must also be atleast somewhat of a vocal leader, and have good strong character amongst his teammates, coaches, fans, and the city he plays for.

JC didn't have alot of that imo. Too quiet and never stood up for himself. He had no soul with us.

[jeremyroyce]

Jason Campbell just got hurt and had to be taken out of the game. I'm not sure how serious it is.


http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/t ... fault.aspx

[1niksder]

Jason Campbell just got hurt and had to be taken out of the game. I'm not sure how serious it is.


http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/t ... fault.aspx

Campbell clarified after the game he took a knee to the helmet.


He underwent concussion tests.

[jeremyroyce]

Jason Campbell just got hurt and had to be taken out of the game. I'm not sure how serious it is.


http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/t ... fault.aspx

Campbell clarified after the game he took a knee to the helmet.


He underwent concussion tests.

I just now saw all these articles regarding that. Thank you for clarifying that

[mastdark81]

Great Bills vs Oakland game.

two young teams that seem to be starting to gel a bit. Campbell looked pretty damn good.

Fitzpatrick maybe the truth. Love the underdogs of the leagues that have success.