Love this! A thread concerning McNAbb in "Around the League!"
Slowly, more and more information will come out as to why McNabbed failed here. His statement pretty much confirms what we had been hearing - McNabb was very uncomfortable with the way the Shanahans ran things concerning their QB. Yes, the situation was beyond repair.
“Some coaches say ‘Hey, it’s my way or no way,’ ” McNabb said via the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You become robotic. That’s when you pull away from your style of play and the way of things that got you successful. If things don’t go as well as you’d like them to, you find out what the mistake was, you correct it and you go right back and get it done.”
Mike and Bruce screwed that whole thing up. Donovan has his issues, nobody is perfect but the entire situation was just botched by our HC. It was painful to watch.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Mike and Bruce screwed that whole thing up. Donovan has his issues, nobody is perfect but the entire situation was just botched by our HC. It was painful to watch.
No doubt when a player fails on a team,it is the GM and Coaches who are ultimately to blame. McNabb is who he is and is who is was. He has not changed. Drama was with him in Philly and drama stayed with him here. I wish him well in Minnesota except when he plays us.
I would love to hear more on how this trade really came to be.
the HC for not 'communicating' with the player AND his OC
the player for not making enough of an effort to both play and practice as well as he could
We had a QB in Campbell that was not going to be able to do the job here
We made a mistake in thinking that McNabb would be able to 'adjust'
we could have kept Campbell but nobody can convince me that we would be better off - something needed to happen - mistakes were made - sometimes players work out and sometimes they don't
THIS IS THE NFL
I'm looking forward NOT backward - we don't have either here anymore
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Regardless of who contributed to the failure, the official record will show that this is a failure of the GM and HC since they have control over personnel decisions. I have my theories too and have posted them on threads, but now that McNabb is gone and especially once he retires, he will speak up more on what happened. Once the Redskins start winning, more will come out about how this trade came to be in the first place.
I opened this thread to collect new information as it comes out.
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Living in Philly for 10+ years I never understood why the Eagle fans had soured on McNabb. They never questioned his play (other than throwing into the ground) but they tired of his attitude. After one year in Washington I know what they are talking about. Time to move on.
I can't say that I would not mind seeing Arizona (Kolb) and Vikings play in the NFC title game while the Eagles are home watching on TV.
cleg wrote:I can't say that I would not mind seeing Arizona (Kolb) and Vikings play in the NFC title game while the Eagles are home watching on TV.
Dude, that would ROCK!
The odds are, shall we say... LONG... that the Redskins will be anywhere but in front of TV's come playoff time... so, might as well sleep with images of miserable Beagles fans dancing in my head!
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We had a QB in Campbell that was not going to be able to do the job here
We made a mistake in thinking that McNabb would be able to 'adjust'
we could have kept Campbell but nobody can convince me that we would be better off - something needed to happen - mistakes were made - sometimes players work out and sometimes they don't THIS IS THE NFL
I completely agree that Campbell was not going to be able to get the job done here. However, the problem now is that we are in year two post-Campbell and we haven't really upgraded the qb position and we do not have a long-term solution at the position either. That is a failure on the part of the front office.
We had a QB in Campbell that was not going to be able to do the job here
We made a mistake in thinking that McNabb would be able to 'adjust'
we could have kept Campbell but nobody can convince me that we would be better off - something needed to happen - mistakes were made - sometimes players work out and sometimes they don't THIS IS THE NFL
I completely agree that Campbell was not going to be able to get the job done here. However, the problem now is that we are in year two post-Campbell and we haven't really upgraded the qb position and we do not have a long-term solution at the position either. That is a failure on the part of the front office.
Or a long term plan that hasn't run its course yet
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Mike & Bruce have been here for a little over a year
They have been involved with 2 drafts and the last draft was one of the best we've had here for a long while
They have only had 1 season
let's let the short term plan catch up with the long term plan
these guys just need time - we will see more progress this season but it is going to take a while to undo the mess here
I'm a little different than most here - I don't care if we go to a Super Bowl soon - I don't want to have a franchise like the stupid, low life, Giants
I just want to see a consistently competitive product on the field each and every week
it's going to take a while - I'm looking forward to watching it happen
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
CanesSkins26 wrote:I completely agree that Campbell was not going to be able to get the job done here. However, the problem now is that we are in year two post-Campbell and we haven't really upgraded the qb position and we do not have a long-term solution at the position either. That is a failure on the part of the front office.
I don't think that there was a QB available that really excited these guys
I think they're as frustrated as we are in not being able to get a guy ready
I don't think they see anyone available as a free agent or worth giving up much for
These guys would love to be working on a QB to be both back-up and mentor but they are making do with these QBs because there's just not much out there right now
I think that Mike & Bruce will have a good QB here AS SOON AS POSSIBLE but who knows how long that will take and we have a lot of other positions to address at the same time
I just think that it's going to take a while - let's watch them do it - this franchise is in better shape than it's been in for a while and it will only get better
gotta love the change in attitude here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
It was pretty evident why McNabb failed when Shanahan had his press conference talking about the McNabb and the Albert trade. Shanahan made sure that he got one last swipe on McNabb and threw him once again under the bus.
I can't understand why Mike was upset or disapointed in McNabb
maybe he was not responsible for McNabb being on the team although I think that's hard to fathom given his position
I mean, why would you feel disapointed in a QB that came in and did not do what you wanted him to or do his job as well as he could
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Bill Romanowski says “lazy” McNabb couldn’t fit with Shanahan Posted by Michael David Smith on August 10, 2011, 6:16 PM EDT
APBill Romanowski played for Mike Shanahan for six years in Denver, and he says that time with Shanahan gives him some insight into why Donovan McNabb was a failure as the Redskins’ quarterback last year.
Specifically, Romanowski said on the Jim Rome Show, Shanahan wants hard workers on his team, and that doesn’t describe McNabb.
“The reason why Donovan McNabb is not in Washington right now is because he was lazy,” Romanowski said. “He didn’t spend the time. Mike Shanahan likes guys who will work really hard. I narrow it down to two things. He’s either lazy, or he’s not very bright to pick up the offense. One or the other. I think he’s bright enough, I just think he was lazy.”
Romanowski also had some thoughts on Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow, saying that Tebow should be playing on “some team that doesn’t have a chance in hell to go anywhere.”
Asked what his own approach to Tebow would have been if they had played at the same time, Romanowski said he would have relished the opportunity to drill Tebow.
“I would want to lay him out and put him into next year,” Romanowski said of Tebow. “I’d have him so messed up mentally he’d be like, Oh, God, this Romanowski is crazy.”
If Tebow did conclude that Romanowski is crazy, he wouldn’t be the first.
tribeofjudah wrote:"McNabb WAS lazy" according to Bill Romanowski during a tv interview yesterday.
Plain and Simple......McNugget was LAZY LAZY LAZY....!!!
So, you would take the word of a racist, steroid user? I remember before McNabb was even introduced to the media as the new Redskins QB he was the first one in the room working out. Secondly, he was voted as a team captain. Shanahan screwed McNabb. That's why he was successful.
tribeofjudah wrote:"McNabb WAS lazy" according to Bill Romanowski during a tv interview yesterday.
Plain and Simple......McNugget was LAZY LAZY LAZY....!!!
So, you would take the word of a racist, steroid user? I remember before McNabb was even introduced to the media as the new Redskins QB he was the first one in the room working out. Secondly, he was voted as a team captain. Shanahan screwed McNabb. That's why he was successful.
These are McNabb's words which indicate that he didn't agree with the Shanahan's way of doing things. Which implies these that this style didn't fit his style of play. A little research would reveal that improvising is McNabbs style.
“Some coaches say ‘Hey, it’s my way or no way,’ ” McNabb said via the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You become robotic. That’s when you pull away from your style of play and the way of things that got you successful. If things don’t go as well as you’d like them to, you find out what the mistake was, you correct it and you go right back and get it done.”
Jeremy says:
Shanahan screwed McNabb.
How about adding support to your opinion? Are you saying Shanahan screwed McNabb because he shouldn'thave traded for him or are you saying that Shanhan traded for McNabb and deliberately messed him over because he wanted to make him look bad? What are you saying? Donovan, who admitted that he doesn't agree with the Shanahan's QB philosophy, got paid good money, and has a chance to prove that he still has IT with a coach who knew him in Philly. He doesn't looked screwed to me. To me, no question Shanahan and the Skins got the worst of that deal - two draft choices, questions about what was he thinking when he traded for a guy with the rep of McNabb.
tribeofjudah wrote:"McNabb WAS lazy" according to Bill Romanowski during a tv interview yesterday.
Plain and Simple......McNugget was LAZY LAZY LAZY....!!!
So, you would take the word of a racist, steroid user? I remember before McNabb was even introduced to the media as the new Redskins QB he was the first one in the room working out. Secondly, he was voted as a team captain. Shanahan screwed McNabb. That's why he was successful.
These are McNabb's words which indicate that he didn't agree with the Shanahan's way of doing things. Which implies these that this style didn't fit his style of play. A little research would reveal that improvising is McNabbs style.
“Some coaches say ‘Hey, it’s my way or no way,’ ” McNabb said via the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You become robotic. That’s when you pull away from your style of play and the way of things that got you successful. If things don’t go as well as you’d like them to, you find out what the mistake was, you correct it and you go right back and get it done.”
Jeremy says:
Shanahan screwed McNabb.
How about adding support to your opinion? Are you saying Shanahan screwed McNabb because he shouldn'thave traded for him or are you saying that Shanhan traded for McNabb and deliberately messed him over because he wanted to make him look bad? What are you saying? Donovan, who admitted that he doesn't agree with the Shanahan's QB philosophy, got paid good money, and has a chance to prove that he still has IT with a coach who knew him in Philly. He doesn't looked screwed to me. To me, no question Shanahan and the Skins got the worst of that deal - two draft choices, questions about what was he thinking when he traded for a guy with the rep of McNabb.
& improvising is anathema to Kyle. That's why things didn't work out.
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tribeofjudah wrote:"McNabb WAS lazy" according to Bill Romanowski during a tv interview yesterday.
Plain and Simple......McNugget was LAZY LAZY LAZY....!!!
So, you would take the word of a racist, steroid user? I remember before McNabb was even introduced to the media as the new Redskins QB he was the first one in the room working out. Secondly, he was voted as a team captain. Shanahan screwed McNabb. That's why he was successful.
These are McNabb's words which indicate that he didn't agree with the Shanahan's way of doing things. Which implies these that this style didn't fit his style of play. A little research would reveal that improvising is McNabbs style.
“Some coaches say ‘Hey, it’s my way or no way,’ ” McNabb said via the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You become robotic. That’s when you pull away from your style of play and the way of things that got you successful. If things don’t go as well as you’d like them to, you find out what the mistake was, you correct it and you go right back and get it done.”
Jeremy says:
Shanahan screwed McNabb.
How about adding support to your opinion? Are you saying Shanahan screwed McNabb because he shouldn'thave traded for him or are you saying that Shanhan traded for McNabb and deliberately messed him over because he wanted to make him look bad? What are you saying? Donovan, who admitted that he doesn't agree with the Shanahan's QB philosophy, got paid good money, and has a chance to prove that he still has IT with a coach who knew him in Philly. He doesn't looked screwed to me. To me, no question Shanahan and the Skins got the worst of that deal - two draft choices, questions about what was he thinking when he traded for a guy with the rep of McNabb.
Why don't you go listen to or read the press conference of what Mike Shanahan had said when he was speaking about the McNabb and Haynesworth trade. That is a clear indication of why McNabb failed. And I seem to remember that I touched on this before. You fit your system around the talent that you have. You don't tell a a 12 year vet who has been to 6 pro bowls, and 5 NFC championships and 1 super bowl and who is going to be in the hall of fame when he retires how to play QB. Just like you wouldn't tell Peyton Manning or Joe Montana how to play QB. A good head coach will fit his strengths in his system. And that's the problem with Shanahan it's either my way or the highway. Taking a defense that's been successful in recent years in a 4-3, and then forcing the 3-4 knowing full well that you don't have the players to suit that defense. But you have the players to run the 4-3. You have two players that had double digit sacks, had 40 sacks that season they went from 28th in sacks to 8th in one year when it was Albert's first year with our team. And then Shanahan moves players out of position and they don't succeed he gets rid of them, knowing they can be successful back at their original spot and two knowing full well that some teams have already tried this experiment with certain players and it didn't work so they go rid of them. It's just stupid. McNabb took the Eagles to the playoffs the previous season and he was in the Pro Bowl. So, I don't want to hear it.
Jeremy... how many rings do you have? How many does McNabb have?
How many does Mike Shanahan have?
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
tribeofjudah wrote:"McNabb WAS lazy" according to Bill Romanowski during a tv interview yesterday.
Plain and Simple......McNugget was LAZY LAZY LAZY....!!!
So, you would take the word of a racist, steroid user? I remember before McNabb was even introduced to the media as the new Redskins QB he was the first one in the room working out. Secondly, he was voted as a team captain. Shanahan screwed McNabb. That's why he was successful.
These are McNabb's words which indicate that he didn't agree with the Shanahan's way of doing things. Which implies these that this style didn't fit his style of play. A little research would reveal that improvising is McNabbs style.
“Some coaches say ‘Hey, it’s my way or no way,’ ” McNabb said via the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “You become robotic. That’s when you pull away from your style of play and the way of things that got you successful. If things don’t go as well as you’d like them to, you find out what the mistake was, you correct it and you go right back and get it done.”
Jeremy says:
Shanahan screwed McNabb.
How about adding support to your opinion? Are you saying Shanahan screwed McNabb because he shouldn'thave traded for him or are you saying that Shanhan traded for McNabb and deliberately messed him over because he wanted to make him look bad? What are you saying? Donovan, who admitted that he doesn't agree with the Shanahan's QB philosophy, got paid good money, and has a chance to prove that he still has IT with a coach who knew him in Philly. He doesn't looked screwed to me. To me, no question Shanahan and the Skins got the worst of that deal - two draft choices, questions about what was he thinking when he traded for a guy with the rep of McNabb.
Why don't you go listen to or read the press conference of what Mike Shanahan had said when he was speaking about the McNabb and Haynesworth trade.
This thread is not about Haynesworth
I did read his comments:
Mike Shanahan addresses Donovan McNabb, Albert Haynesworth trades By Mike Jones
Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan eliminated the potential for two very big distractions this week by trading away both quarterback Donovan McNabb and defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth just before the start of training camp.
But the coach said he never worried that he or his players would have to deal with either issue because of the plan he contrived at the beginning of the offseason.
“We gave Donovan the option – his agent, to talk to any football team they wanted to to make sure that the team we sent him to best suited him,” Shanahan explained. “We knew we were going to go in that direction after being with him throughout the year and we’re hoping it will turn out well for Donovan and we’re moving forward.”
McNabb, meanwhile, was Shanahan’s first major personnel move as Redskins coach. He traded a second- and fourth-round pick to Philadelphia last year in exchange for the six-time Pro Bowl quarterback. Shanahan let on that when studying McNabb’s game, he saw problem areas. But he said he believed that they could be corrected.
“We were hoping he would fit into our system,” Shanahan said. “And I told Donovan when he came in here, ‘There are the reasons why I think Philly didn’t sign you and they were going to go with [Kevin] Kolb, and this is what you are going to have to do to stay on our football team for a number of years, and if you do that, I think you have the chance to go to the Pro Bowl and do the number of things that you’ve done throughout your career.’ And, it didn’t work out, and we go on.”
Shanahan didn’t disclose what “reasons” he saw, but the issues Redskins coaches had with McNabb last season had to do with work ethic, tempo and accuracy.
When asked what made McNabb a bad fit, Shanahan said: “I’m not going to go into detail. He’s with Minnesota now. Bill Musgrave is a heck of an offensive coordinator. Some times these situations take time. Donovan will probably go in there, be ready to play and do what they want him to do. Hopefully it works out.”
Jeremy says:
That is a clear indication of why McNabb failed.
It is a clear indication that Philly didn't want McNabb and Shanahan tried to make a square peg fit into a round hole. Shanny is known for that. You still didn't answer the question. How is McNabb screwed, given that he was allowed to sign with any team that wanted him and he was paid very well last year? Shanny made a mistake in trading for him, but it doesn't sound like McNabb did his part to do what he was paidvery well to do.
And I seem to remember that I touched on this before. You fit your system around the talent that you have. You don't tell a a 12 year vet who has been to 6 pro bowls, and 5 NFC championships and 1 super bowl and who is going to be in the hall of fame when he retires how to play QB.
Shanny isn't Joe Gibbs. He has his way of doin gthings and has been successful at it. BTW - The Eaqgles have never won a Super Bowl, so McNabb has no Super Bowl right. Losers get Conference Champion rings. Had McNAbb won a Super Bowl, he would be a shoe in to get in. His rep is no where near non Super Bowl winner Dan Marino. He is no lock to get in the Hall.
Just like you wouldn't tell Peyton Manning or Joe Montana how to play QB.
You are one of the few to put McNabb in Peyton's and Joe's league.
A good head coach will fit his strengths in his system.
You are already said this. All I asked for is a reason you feel Donovan was screwed.
Mike is the Head coach and Donovan is paid millions to do as his coach says. How is this screwed?
And that's the problem with Shanahan it's either my way or the highway. Taking a defense that's been successful in recent years in a 4-3, and then forcing the 3-4 knowing full well that you don't have the players to suit that defense. But you have the players to run the 4-3. You have two players that had double digit sacks, had 40 sacks that season they went from 28th in sacks to 8th in one year when it was Albert's first year with our team. And then Shanahan moves players out of position and they don't succeed he gets rid of them, knowing they can be successful back at their original spot and two knowing full well that some teams have already tried this experiment with certain players and it didn't work so they go rid of them. It's just stupid
Off topic. These issues were addresses all last season. We are a 3-4 team.
McNabb took the Eagles to the playoffs the previous season and he was in the Pro Bowl. So, I don't want to hear it.
And the Eagles coach, Andy Reid, raded McNabb, gave the starting job to Kolb and kept Vick, why?
Players play - coaches have different but more specific jobs - a HC has to manage both the players and the guys coaching them
Having Campbell as a QB was NOT going to help this franchise and Mike & Bruce brought in McNabb and I'm sure they hoped that he would do whatever it took to run and execute the OC's game plan for the offense - McNabb did NOT make the effort to both practice and play the way Kyle (& Mike) wanted
the trade did not work out BUT we had to get a QB and at the time many of us were thinking this was a really good move
SPIT HAPPENS
McNabb was encouraged by Mike to do and go in whatever direction he (McNabb) wanted because, as Mike said, the Redskins were going in a different direction this season
I think that Mike & Bruce came to a similar decision about the fat slob - in that case however the FO could not care less about what the player wanted - they were just hoping that someone/anyone would give them something for the waste of talent that is Fat AL
I am encouraged by having Haslett - I think we'll see a much improved defense this season - THANK GOD we changed from the statistically good 4-3 that seemed so predicatble and failed so often in the 4th quarter to a 3-4 hybrid that utilizes a lot more aggressive play calling and defensive schemes - the players this season will show the benefit from what they went through last season and I think they added some key players that will help too
Kyle will show why the Texans offense was so successful with his offense when we get the O line play and basic running game going here
when you look at things - we have come a long way in the last 20 months - we still have a ways to go in overcoming the issues this franchise had from the many years of HORRIBLE management
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
McNabb is a head case, was here in Philly and in Washington. Sure, Shanny could have dealt with him better but McNabb is a baby and way too sensitive. I think he is smart but he is lazy (or maybe complacent) and he was not willing to change. There was a story on the radio here about the Shannahan's getting to Redskin Park at 6 am everyday as do many of the players. McNabb was rolling in around 7:30 or 8:00 with a large Starbucks drink. That kind of stuff screams arrogance, that he is better than everyone else, and would drive NFL coaches crazy. Andy Reid was very good at hiding players problems. I am just glad the guy is gone. If he had more of a killer instinct and wanted to be the best the Eagles would probably have won a Super Bowl, but he is complacent, arrogant, and willing to have good enough be ok rather than greatness.
