“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Skinsfan55 wrote:Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?
Well, he had this to say:“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.
Skinsfan55 wrote:Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?
Well, he had this to say:“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.
1niksder wrote:Campbell won more games than the Skins did last year. Tom Cable is a nut, then again so is Al Davis. Campbell is the hands down starter in Oakland with a head coach that loves him, and always has
Guy just does not have the desire to be better OR to do what it takes to be THE QB
Countertrey wrote:He does not have "it"... that intangible that allows some to make something from nothing. Marino and Elway had it. Jurgensen had it. Namath had it. Unitas and Tittle had it. Warren Moon had it. Joe Montana had it. Jim Zorn had it. Roger Staubach had it... but Danny White? Nope.Even Joe Theisman had some it.
"It" is an instinct... an intuition... perhaps "It" is an occasional whisper from the heavens... "It" tells you that the blind side D end just collapsed your LT, and "step up NOW". "It" says "just keep moving for another 3 seconds and your tight end is going to get separation 7 yards upfield". "It" says "Yes, the draw coach called should work, but this is the time to audible into a post".
Jason Campbell? Not so much.
CanesSkins26 wrote:Guy just does not have the desire to be better OR to do what it takes to be THE QB
I agree with most of your post, but this is a baseless statement. Campbell has his issues, but I don't think that he showed any signs during his time here of not being a hard worker or of not having a desire to get better.
He has his shortcomings as a player for sure, and I've made it pretty clear that I don't think that he was the answer here, but I don't think that you're statement is fair to JC.
Red_One43 wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Guy just does not have the desire to be better OR to do what it takes to be THE QB
I agree with most of your post, but this is a baseless statement. Campbell has his issues, but I don't think that he showed any signs during his time here of not being a hard worker or of not having a desire to get better.
He has his shortcomings as a player for sure, and I've made it pretty clear that I don't think that he was the answer here, but I don't think that you're statement is fair to JC.
I agree with Canes. Campbell was a hard worker. By him learning three offenses in his five years here says a lot for his work ethic. I never read anything insinuating that Campbell didn't have the desire to be better. Campbell doesn't have "IT," but he does have a work ethic.
Red_One43 wrote: ... Campbell was a hard worker. By him learning three offenses in his five years here says a lot for his work ethic. I never read anything insinuating that Campbell didn't have the desire to be better. Campbell doesn't have "IT," but he does have a work ethic.
SkinsJock wrote:Red_One43 wrote: ... Campbell was a hard worker. By him learning three offenses in his five years here says a lot for his work ethic. I never read anything insinuating that Campbell didn't have the desire to be better. Campbell doesn't have "IT," but he does have a work ethic.
I could not care less how many offenses he had to "learn" - the guy's a QB in the NFL - get it together and make it work - this guy NEVER showed us that he was a leader and would kick butt if the players around him were not doing their job
I don't care how bad his "deal" was - IF you have any QB leadership in you, you SHOW it
this guy CANNOT get it done - I don't care what anyone "wrote", we all saw what he could do = NOTHING
btw - I'm glad he's not here and we are better off without his sorry arse
Portis (and SkinsJock ^^) ignites war of words with Campbell over QB's ability to lead
While Washington Redskins players awaited word about their future, with Mike Shanahan as their coach, running back Clinton Portis went about rehashing the past -- including his thoughts on quarterback Jason Campbell's leadership skills.
Asked on ESPN980 why Campbell was a team captain and he wasn't, Portis replied: "I wonder the same thing. It's no disrespect to Jason, but everybody in that locker room will tell you -- you will never see Jason mad, you will never see Jason's tempo change."
Portis continued: "(He's) going to give you everything (he's) got. But as a leader ... it was always, 'Jason couldn't take control of the huddle,' or 'He didn't do this' or 'He didn't do that.' That wasn't Jason's character. ... I think Jason, you can't place so much on somebody who's not ready for that situation. I think Jason has enough trouble in getting the plays in and worrying about this, compared to controlling the huddle."
Portis told ESPN980 that Campbell isn't the type of player who would go to a coach and say, "'Well, we need to do this or we need to do that,' or 'This is how the players want it.'"
Red_One43 wrote:1niksder wrote:Campbell won more games than the Skins did last year. Tom Cable is a nut, then again so is Al Davis. Campbell is the hands down starter in Oakland with a head coach that loves him, and always has
Campbell 7 - 6
Gradkowski 1 - 2
Redskins 6 - 10
Good for Campbell that he gets to go into a season as the starter with both HC and OC in his corner. He has a running game and a good D (to things the Skins lacked last year). He is in a weak division. This is his season to shine. If there is a place for Campbell it is here.
Red_One43 wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?
Well, he had this to say:“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.
Skinsfan, are you aware of the QB turmoil that went on in Oakland this year? Campbell was benched early in the season. Gradkowski got hurt and Campbell got his job back. When Gradkowski got better, Tom Cable wanted to return Grad as starter, but Al Davis wouldn't let him and of course, Tom Cable was fired at the end of the year. The Raiders coach tried to dump him like a hot potato. The Raiders had a running game to die for and Campbell still couldn't get it done last season.
We gave up a starting QB with an 80+ rating, young, tall and a big arm for only a 4th round draft choice two years out. Why? Because nobody wanted him except Al. He gets to Oakland and the Coach doesn't want him want him. Campbell has all the tools of the next great QB, but nobody wants him. Why? This is the Redskins fault?
We tried to trade him to Denver and Cleveland who each could have used a QB with Campbell's credentials, but neither team wanted him. Why? Redskin's fault?
Let me take you back to 2007. 5 - 7 goining to the game vs. Bears (Couldn't blame that on the line that year) - gamed tied 0-0 Cambell goes down in the second quarter getting decent stats but no scores. Collins comes in and wins the game and rattles off 3 more victories and gets us into the play-offs. Why was the offense so sluggish with Campbell at the helm? That was his second year in the O. Campbell could not do the things asked of him.
2009 - Campbell benched for the second half the KC game. Coaches who had him don't want him and coahes who don't have him don't want him. Gibbs wanted him and Al Davis wanted him and where did he get and is getting for the two of them.
In hindsight, the trade was bad. No question about it, but to say that Campbell was the biggest loss of that trade is not looking at the facts. Regardless of the trade, Campbell most likley was not going to start here in 2010. He wasn't wanted. Rex knew the offense.
You can look at his stats and it will show decent stats, but you look at the win/loss column and you see a horrible stat. If you want to say, he played on a bad team, then you fail to see that a back up QB took the same team to the play-offs. If you want to say that the back up knew the O then you just made a case to start Grossman for 2010.
Campbell has been benched three times in the first 11 weeks, plus he was asked to carry out a week-long charade and pretend he's the starter when he met with reporters on Friday.
I didn't really understand how benching Campbell could not be about Campbell, and still don't today. Especially considering the Raiders were having Gradkowski secretly take most of the first-team snaps in practice this week and are starting him Sunday.
Gradkowski does better in the face of a pass rush than Campbell does, and maybe that's why coach Tom Cable has changed his mind for a second time in two weeks on the starting quarterback. For a guy who loves to say how important it is "to stay the course," Cable sure hates staying the course.
Skinsfan55 wrote:Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?
Well, he had this to say:“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.
jeremyroyce wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:Remember when we had a tall, big armed QB that was hand picked by Joe Gibbs? Remember the guy who had a 61.2 completion percentage and a 55:38 TD to INT ratio? The guy who'd been in new offenses every year of his NFL career and we had no business drafting in the first place? The guy who never had a supporting cast and who's development we screwed up?
Well, he had this to say:“So, you think they found out yet I wasn’t the source of all their problems?” said Campbell, whose 2009 line gave up the same number of sacks (46) as the 2010 line protecting first Donovan McNabb and then Grossman. “It really doesn’t matter who’s back there if you can’t protect him.”
Jason Campbell is a good QB, we drafted him, ran him into the ground and dumped him the first chance we got. IMO that's the biggest loss of the McNabb trade.
Well, I'm not surprised by Jason Campbell comments. That's just typical of him. All of his excuses. It's never his fault as to why he CAN'T succeed. It's always someone else fault.
Sorry, that's just a bunch of BS. JC's supporters were the ones always making those excuses for him. JC never said "I'm not good because these jacka$$es in DC can't hire a decent HC, figure out that you let football people make football decisions, leave well enough alone for more than 3 months or fire Vinny, etc, etc, etc." All he ever said was something to the effect of "I'm going to do my job and lead the team, blah blah blah" All of you "fans" who love to pile on because he didn't have "it" (which, he didn't, admittedly) are embarrassing. JC himself didn't make these excuses, he isn't albert haynesworthless, lavar arrington, carlos rogers, etc. He'll never be as good as his supporters think he is or should be, nor will he ever be as bad as you blind detractors believe him to be because he happened to be one of the more minor flaws with our seriously flawed team for so long. He's absolutely correct, it should be clear to all that he most definitely was not "the source of all their [the redskins] problems".I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"
andyjens89 wrote:Out of sight, out of mind
Skinsfan55 wrote:My argument is that we probably ruined what chance he had to be a good QB. In 2005 we basically had no business drafting a QB. The line was patchwork and we had little to no weapons for him. This is basically his Redskins career.
2005- Hand picked by Joe Gibbs, big tall, rocket armed QB from Auburn. Sits for a season behind Mark Brunell who has a completely different playing style and is left handed. This did not help him at all.
2006- New offense with Al Saunders. Week 11 Campbell wrestles the job from Brunell and has a respectable campaign. 10 TD, 6 INT but only 53% completion. Jury's still out.
2007- Campbell plays decently but is injured. Todd Collins takes over in an offense he's studied for most of his professional career.
2008- Gibbs retires, Jim Zorn brought in. Another new offense, now Campbell's 3rd in 4 seasons. (Not to mention the multiple offenses he worked in college.) Zorn's Redskins actually look pretty good, there's early MVP buzz because they start 4-1 and they're 6-2 by week 8... The wheels fall off. Zorn's team is a mess. Campbell still has the best season of his career en route to a 8-8 season.
2009- Zorn returns for more punishment. This season is one of the worst in Skins history. Years of mis-management by Vinny Cerrato starts to show. Campbell manages to improve on 2008 and has the best season of his career. 20 TD, 3,600 yards, 64.5% completions.
You might want to read your Redskins history. Bad Managment never stopped Sonny Jurgensen from being an outstanding QB. You are really, really reaching with this. Redskins went 25 years without a play-off berth before George Allen - there were some learn years. Even the little guy Eddie LeBaron didn't let that stop him from be an notable QB.
2010- Zorn fired, Shanahan takes over, wants to bring in a new QB, totally whiffs on McNabb who it should be said posted extremely similar stats to Jason Campbell in 2010.
Basically if we had any kind of organizational continuity, or if Jason Campbell went to a team who did not have their heads up their rear ends he probably would have become a much better player.
Don't think for a second that Shanahan doesn't wonder what the offense would be like if he'd worked with Jason Campbell and taught him this offense. Or what it would have been like if he never bothered with McNabb. Maybe Shanahan saw how Campbell had been treated by the Redskins already and considered him damaged goods but I don't think there's any question at all that he has more ability in his little finger than Grossman or Beck have put together.
Negatives... Still, for a player of his size, he shows good mobility. ... When he rolls out of the pocket, he will sometimes hold the ball low and exposed, resulting in costly fumbles. ... Still needs to show better judgement, but has the power behind his throws to thread the ball in a crowd. ... His touch on his long ball has improved quite a bit, but he still needs to work on his underneath throws. ... Still has not fully grasped the mental aspect of calling his own game yet, and will need to have the plays called for him until he can prove that he can handle play-calling on his own. ... Does well in school (3.0 grade point average). His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February. ... Needs to work on some fundamentals, especially his feet in his pass set, but he has the quickness to get back from center. ... Made more sound decisions in 2004 than he did in the past, but he still must improve in reading coverages.
I just do not agree that he made the type of effort that a player needs to make to get to the next level
CanesSkins26 wrote:I just do not agree that he made the type of effort that a player needs to make to get to the next level
Please cite just one piece of information to support your claim that JC did not work hard enough because I don't think that you can. It's one thing to call out JC for not succeeding as a qb, but don't call into question his work ethic and commitment to the team with ZERO PROOF.
