Red_One43 wrote:2010 Starting Pittsburgh Steeler Line Double Slotted starters are due to injuries Jonathan Scott Detroit Lions / 5th / 141st pick / 2006 LT Max Starks Pittsburgh Steelers / 3rd / 75th pick / 2004 LG Chris Kemoeatu Pittsburgh Steelers / 6th / 204th pick / 2005 C Maurkice Pouncey Steelers / 1st / 18th pick / 2010 RG Ramon Foster - UDFA RG Trai Essex Pittsburgh Steelers / 3rd / 93rd pick / 2005 RT Flozell Adams Dallas Cowboys / 2nd / 38th pick / 1998 (Past his prime) Willie Colon was out all year - drafted in the 4th round by the Steelers in 2006.
One other thing to point out here is the massive number of players they had on the line. This is indicative of the Steelers (and all good teams') dedication to their offensive line. Multiple picks spent on offensive lineman means a good offensive line.
This is a good point. Now that we filled a lot of holes temprarily, let's see if the next draft will include multiple O linemen to groom into his system. Don't forget with the few picks he had in 2010, he picked three linemen - Williams, Cook and Capers.
PulpExposure wrote:I guess I don't know what your definition of a "long term" starter is. Based on his contract, Chester looks to be here at least 3 years. If he's not starting at $4 million per year, that's a lot of money to pay a backup guard. Of course, I don't know what he got in a guarantee, so that may not be dispositive.
I think you were assuming he wasn't slamming the team, and he was
Kaz, stop the hyperbolic nonsense. I was not "slamming the team". I actually think they are handling the offensive line situation as well as could be expected. They are in a very tough spot with a weak FA class, a short offseason and they had other needs to fill in the draft. I think we're going to go into the season with bookend tackles and a really mediocre interior line. Hopefully though, by the end of the season we find at least one out of the three interior linemen as a long term solution.
Maybe Chester will be that guy, maybe he'll be a good fit for the system and become a mainstay. Shanny probably thinks so because of his contract. However it's likely he'll revert to being a backup as he has many times during his career.
Maybe Kory or Monty will step up from humble beginnings and become steady contributors on the line. Then again, maybe they won't. They're total unknowns.
My idea of a long term starter would be someone who starts for 3 years. What are the odds any of those guys fits the bill? If it's one I think we'll be very lucky to have found someone out of that group, two would be unbelieveable.
Monty looked good in relief of Casey during the season. I understand the reluctance to bench Casey was he had skills at reading defenses and calling the right O line signals.
As you know was the case with Williams, he was not considered worth a #4 pick, but Shanny loved the guys athleticism. He can't teach that, but as we all know, he thiks that he can coach anybody up. The jury is still out on Williams. Chester falls in that same athletic o lineman category. He played TE. You know Shanny was salivating over this guy for that reason. Can Shanny coach hem up to be a mainstay on our O line? We will see, but I would say that this is classic Shanny. He has had some misses and one major one last year.
Your concerns are understandable, but I believe that we will be just fine this year for year 2 of building that foundation.
Skinsfan55 wrote:Kaz, stop the hyperbolic nonsense. I was not "slamming the team"
OK, then I am confused.
Skinsfan55 wrote:I think if anyone besides Trent Williams or Jammal Brown becomes a long term starter after this season we'll have found a diamond in the rough. If we find two it would be extremely fortuitous.
As Pulp asked you, how can you say that when we just signed Chester for 5 years? You said you'd be surprised if he's a long term starter. Now you're saying it's "hyperbolic" to say you're slamming the team. It appears to be a contradiction, explain.
BTW, hyperbolic was a terrible word to use there, it was a stretch from my comment in the other thread. Stretches usually end up being weak, like here.
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As Pulp asked you, how can you say that when we just signed Chester for 5 years?
Until we know the amount of guaranteed money and the structure of the contract the "5 years" means nothing.
Ding, Ding, Ding
Also, until we know the guaranteed money we don't know if this is "starter money" or "backup money". In his career Chester has been pretty much a 6th man on the offensive line. If he becomes a dependable everyday player (which he wasn't in Baltimore) it would be great. If Monty or Kory became long term guys too we'd be extremely lucky.
What is so hard to understand about that?
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:BTW, hyperbolic was a terrible word to use there, it was a stretch from my comment in the other thread. Stretches usually end up being weak, like here.
Hyperbolic can mean "having the nature of hyperbole; exaggerated" or "using hyperbole; exaggerating". It's an exaggeration to say I was slamming the team when all I said was that finding a long term interior lineman in this group would be very lucky.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
As Pulp asked you, how can you say that when we just signed Chester for 5 years?
Until we know the amount of guaranteed money and the structure of the contract the "5 years" means nothing.
Ding, Ding, Ding
Also, until we know the guaranteed money we don't know if this is "starter money" or "backup money". In his career Chester has been pretty much a 6th man on the offensive line. If he becomes a dependable everyday player (which he wasn't in Baltimore) it would be great. If Monty or Kory became long term guys too we'd be extremely lucky.
What is so hard to understand about that?
So you're chastising me for assuming that there is guaranteed money in responding to your point which would have to have assumed there isn't guaranteed money...
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:BTW, hyperbolic was a terrible word to use there, it was a stretch from my comment in the other thread. Stretches usually end up being weak, like here.
Hyperbolic can mean "having the nature of hyperbole; exaggerated" or "using hyperbole; exaggerating". It's an exaggeration to say I was slamming the team when all I said was that finding a long term interior lineman in this group would be very lucky.
You have to hold both your response to Pulp and me in your mind simultaneously
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