this guy improves our offensive line - end of story
anyone that thinks we should be so bad that we can draft Luck has ZERO credibility in saying who can play and who should not play
Exactly. Besides, Matt Barkley should be available when we pick anyways. Who knows, John Beck may be ready to live up to the expectations that were had of him in 2007.
frankcal20 wrote:Keep in mind that there's not a lot of talent out there. I'm sure they weighed keeping Rabach or bringing someone new in. I like the move.
I like the move also because it solidifies 2 spots on our O-Line. Reports are that Chester will play Right Guard. At his Salary, he's all but penciled in to start.
Will Montgomery and Lichtensteiger are expected to battle for the starting Center job. I liked what I saw of Montgomery at Center the game he played. Word is that Kory was also a natural Center, but I've never seen him play.
LT ~ Trent Williams
LG ~ Unknown
C ~ Will Montgomery or Kory L
RG ~ Chris Chester
RT ~ Unknown (likely Jammal Brown)
There are only 2 spots in limbo as of today. Perhaps just 1 if we re-sign Brown. We've still got Selvish Capers, Artis Hicks , and perhaps BMW on the bench. We need more linemen, but Chester is a good start.
As they always do, the Redskins are overpaying for mediocre talent.
Ouch, nice shot, Rotoworld...
That's the 2nd rotoworld article I've read today that made a little jab at the Skins. They still think Snyder is running this thing like all non Redskins fans.
1niksder wrote:CanesSkins26 will never lose his credibility with me. We may not agree all the time, but he puts a lot of thought into what he posts and is a true fan.
no worries - I don't agree that a 'true fan' really wants their team to "suck"
I don't think this franchise is going to be very good this season but I sure do think we'll have a better team than last year
I cannot imagine hoping we'd not do well - I hope we win every game
but that's just me
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
fleetus wrote:Despite Chester performing below expectations in Baltimore, here is why I think the Redskins signed him (and why he may work out)
1. Chester is fast. He ran the fastest time of any OL in the scouting combine (2006). We all know that Shanahan/Foerster O-lines utilize athletic and fast O-linemen 2. Foerster has coached Chester before in Baltimore (as mentioned earlier in this thread) 3. Chester is slightly better suited to Center. He played TE at Oklahoma and switched to Center. The Ravens used him more at guard, due to injuries. They hoped he would eventually succeed Matt Birk at Center, but after 14 years Birk hasn't slowed down much. So when the critics say he didn't run block well, it was mostly at guard.
If Foerster can help him improve his strength and he can get a chance to start at Center, he might be a pleasant surprise.
this guy improves our offensive line - end of story
anyone that thinks we should be so bad that we can draft Luck has ZERO credibility in saying who can play and who should not play
CS26 will never lose he's credibility with me. We may not agree all the time, but he puts a lot of thought in what he post
But not a lot into math, apparently.
From 2008-2010 Stephon Heyer started 28 out 38 games (a higher percentage than Chester.
28/38 is: 73.6% 38/48 is: 79.1%
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I think #2 is the most important. Our O-line coach knows what he is getting. That's good enough for me.
Also I wouldn't rely on Foerster's evaluation or on him "coaching him up." When Foerster left the Niners, most of the fans threw a mini-celebration. He wasn't considered a very good offensive line coach. This is a nice indictment of his coaching history...
Foerster has some decent experience. He was offfensive coord for the Dolphins and Assist HC for the Ravens (in addition to O-line), and other stints at Tampa and Indy.
I wouldn't base much of your opinion of Foerster from his 2 years in SF. He was O-line coach only for one full season, 2009) In 2006, Foerster coached a Ravens offensive line that gave up a franchise record of least sacks allowed (17) in a season. 2nd best in the NFL that year.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I don't think Chester was meant to be "the" fix for the line. I think he was supposed to be an improvement for interior depth.
I'd like to re-sign Jamaal and sign a bonafide starting left guard and if we do that I think our line will be significantly improved.
I agree. Questions is, does Shan/allen think Chester is the improvement necessary? or do they see him as another useful addition, with hopes of signing another linemen also? I would like to know how the Chester contract breaks down to see just how much guaranteed money is involved. $20M over 5 yrs is not much if half of that is not guaranteed.
I'm a little concerned that we paid $4 million a year over the next 5 years to a guy who is kind of a stiff. Granted, the contract only runs until he's 32, but it's a lot of money to spend on a guy who is not considered a quality starter. Everyone seems to consider Chester a decent reserve who can make a few starts when needed. For that kind of money you have to assume he's being slated for a bigger role.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm a little concerned that we paid $4 million a year over the next 5 years to a guy who is kind of a stiff. Granted, the contract only runs until he's 32, but it's a lot of money to spend on a guy who is not considered a quality starter. Everyone seems to consider Chester a decent reserve who can make a few starts when needed. For that kind of money you have to assume he's being slated for a bigger role.
38 out of 48 games IS NOT a few starts....
He's not stiff, as CS pointed out he played a little at TE, plus the Ravens had him in a power scheme.
The ZBS is a much better scheme for this guy
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm a little concerned that we paid $4 million a year over the next 5 years to a guy who is kind of a stiff. Granted, the contract only runs until he's 32, but it's a lot of money to spend on a guy who is not considered a quality starter. Everyone seems to consider Chester a decent reserve who can make a few starts when needed. For that kind of money you have to assume he's being slated for a bigger role.
38 out of 48 games IS NOT a few starts.... He's not stiff, as CS pointed out he played a little at TE, plus the Ravens had him in a power scheme. The ZBS is a much better scheme for this guy
without knowing the guaranteed amount, it is all funny money anyway. I agree he will do better in the ZBS like they ran his first two years. Plus he can play Center, Guard and power TE. not a slam dunk, but at the very least, good competition and depth.
The Redskins plan to start Chris Chester at right guard.
Chester couldn't hold down a starting job in Baltimore due to ineffectiveness, but the Redskins gave him $20 million. The 'Skins have one of the worst offensive lines in football and are planning to stage a full-blow competition between Rex Grossman and John Beck at quarterback. They are the leaders in the clubhouse for Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
fleetus wrote:Foerster has some decent experience. He was offfensive coord for the Dolphins and Assist HC for the Ravens (in addition to O-line), and other stints at Tampa and Indy.
I wouldn't base much of your opinion of Foerster from his 2 years in SF. He was O-line coach only for one full season, 2009) In 2006, Foerster coached a Ravens offensive line that gave up a franchise record of least sacks allowed (17) in a season. 2nd best in the NFL that year.
Let's see how he coaches up the line this year.
If you read the link I put in, it's an indictment of his entire coaching history. Not just at SF. His line was a mess in Baltimore, and he left offenses and they got better beforehand. Here's a Baltimore post.
And could someone please tell me how Chris Foerster gets a hall pass? Here’s a coach who left Miami in 2004 after his O-Line was tied for second worst in the league in sacks allowed (52). They also were tied for dead last in average yards per rush (3.5 yards).
In 2005 with virtually the same offensive line personnel and without Foerster the Dolphins were fourth best in the league at protecting the quarterback (26 sacks) and tied for seventh best in average per carry (4.3 yards).
fleetus wrote:Foerster has some decent experience. He was offfensive coord for the Dolphins and Assist HC for the Ravens (in addition to O-line), and other stints at Tampa and Indy.
I wouldn't base much of your opinion of Foerster from his 2 years in SF. He was O-line coach only for one full season, 2009) In 2006, Foerster coached a Ravens offensive line that gave up a franchise record of least sacks allowed (17) in a season. 2nd best in the NFL that year.
Let's see how he coaches up the line this year.
If you read the link I put in, it's an indictment of his entire coaching history. Not just at SF. His line was a mess in Baltimore, and he left offenses and they got better beforehand. Here's a Baltimore post.
And could someone please tell me how Chris Foerster gets a hall pass? Here’s a coach who left Miami in 2004 after his O-Line was tied for second worst in the league in sacks allowed (52). They also were tied for dead last in average yards per rush (3.5 yards).
In 2005 with virtually the same offensive line personnel and without Foerster the Dolphins were fourth best in the league at protecting the quarterback (26 sacks) and tied for seventh best in average per carry (4.3 yards).
It's pretty miserable
Yeah, his record does look bad, but he did he coach up Montgomery and Kory Litenwhatshisname and against the Titans somebody made the decision to put Heyer in at guard where he did well with our patchwork line. I assume it was Foerster. Maybe Foerster does his best coaching under Shanny.
The Redskins plan to start Chris Chester at right guard.
Chester couldn't hold down a starting job in Baltimore due to ineffectiveness, but the Redskins gave him $20 million. The 'Skins have one of the worst offensive lines in football and are planning to stage a full-blow competition between Rex Grossman and John Beck at quarterback. They are the leaders in the clubhouse for Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
skinsfan#33 wrote: At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"
+1
Passing game is definitely a ???
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
To a casual fan, this would appear true. We so far have only signed Chester. But deeper analysis yields three additional improvements considering building lines actually isn't just about signing free agents:
- Trent Williams is no longer a rookie and should show significant improvement
- Jamaal Brown is in his second year after his injury, an injury which typically takes two years to heel. He clearly wasn't full strength last year.
- OL's take several years to gel, consistency helps.
Are we going to forget the hogs this year? No. But we have two good tackles who both should improve significantly this year and we have some consistency and depth. To say the only change we made is signing Chester ergo that's going to be the only improvement really isn't very insightful.
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skinsfan#33 wrote: At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
Okay, I think Chris Chester is going to help some, but showing he was temporarily first on the depth chart doesn't disprove the idea he is a backup. Chester was never the Ravens first choice to hit the field, but was always pressed into action by injury. Marshall Yanda was their starting RG, but an injury to tackle Jared Gaither forced him to slide to RT. That of course opened a spot for Chester.
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I don't think the O line is going to suddenly become as good as everyone wants
OR - be a big improvement over last season
fact is this offense needs more time and more players AND especially a QB
we might pick up some guys here shortly BUT the thing is it's going to take time and there were not a lot of guys that we could just go get - it's not that easy
we have a lot of work to do to become a consistently good team again - that will happen
I think we have a VERY good chance of winning at least 6 games and seeing some more improvement here but I will not be at all surprised if we get 8 wins or more
this is going to be a weird season because of the amount of time it took to resolve the stupid lockout
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I don't think the O line is going to suddenly become as good as everyone wants
Agreed
SkinsJock wrote:OR - be a big improvement over last season
So you don't think the progression of our tackles with Trent moving past his rookie season and Jamaal being actually available for a season will have an impact? I think you're totally wrong. Solid bookend tackles would have more of an impact then another interior lineman. We'll see.
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Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"
+1
Passing game is definitely a ???
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
If you watch video clips on youtube of our line play, you will see that dropping Rabach was a major upgrade.
skinsfan#33 wrote: At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
Okay, I think Chris Chester is going to help some, but showing he was temporarily first on the depth chart doesn't disprove the idea he is a backup. Chester was never the Ravens first choice to hit the field, but was always pressed into action by injury. Marshall Yanda was their starting RG, but an injury to tackle Jared Gaither forced him to slide to RT. That of course opened a spot for Chester.
One more time.... he's started 38 games over the last three years.
He was second string 10 games out of 48
That speaks for itself, what's so hard to understand about that?
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skinsfan#33 wrote: At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
Okay, I think Chris Chester is going to help some, but showing he was temporarily first on the depth chart doesn't disprove the idea he is a backup. Chester was never the Ravens first choice to hit the field, but was always pressed into action by injury. Marshall Yanda was their starting RG, but an injury to tackle Jared Gaither forced him to slide to RT. That of course opened a spot for Chester.
The issue is not so much whether or not Chester was a back up, it is how he graded when he played. Without looking at clips of his play, one can assume that he must have played well considering how good the Ravens running game was, BUT here is the real point. Is he an UPGRADE over Montgomery? Watch clips of Monty at guard, he played well, but he often got pushed back into the backfield.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:So you don't think the progression of our tackles with Trent moving past his rookie season and Jamaal being actually available for a season will have an impact? I think you're totally wrong. Solid bookend tackles would have more of an impact then another interior lineman. We'll see.
+1
Looking at the video clips of our line, a lot of the pressure was coming off the edge.
Who knows, John Beck may be ready to live up to the expectations that were had of him in 2007.
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