2011 Redskins Offense

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:12 pm

You all are in for rude awakening when this team wins 2 games this year.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:24 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:You all are in for rude awakening when this team wins 2 games this year.

Mrs. Cleo? Is that you?

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:25 pm

Anything can happen in the nfl. I hope we can win a lot of games and Beck is our quarterback by some divine intervention. Even if we suck I will still be there for all 20 games (hopefully more) cheering them on.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:26 pm

Damn straight it is. I called under 7 wins last year and this year I am projecting 2.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:21 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Damn straight it is. I called under 7 wins last year and this year I am projecting 2.

Sorry but I think 500.... We already improved. Last year our defense wasn't near ready for a 3-4 change. Today, we have fit some extra missing pieces. We have at least a line today. Every year I look at our team on paper and again I have high hopes. It might be painful for a few games but we will achieve 500 minimum. With OTA's even better if we had them. We might surprise some people, even me. We have a free safety for a change. All is looking much better.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:23 pm

The worst thing that could happen is that this team somehow wins 6-8 games and Mr. Tanning Bed (Shanahan) thinks there might be a future with John Beck at QB. Sorry but John Beck will never be able to lead us to the playoffs. We need to get a Franchise QB (Most Preferably Andrew Luck!)

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:24 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:You all are in for rude awakening when this team wins 2 games this year.

You will be in for a rude awakening when we win 8.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:25 pm

Great and where will 8 wins get us? WE NEED A FRANCHISE QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:30 pm

All you have to do is look at Joe Gibbs SB wins. You could say he had 3 franchise QB's but I say not. He has 3 decent QB's. It will happen and look at what Baltimore did a while back. Defense wins games.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:36 pm

Trent Dilfer is one of the few exceptions to SB winning QB's that aren't franchise QB's. Baltimore had one of the best if not the best defense in NFL history. Sorry but the Redskins are far away from having a defense like that. Look at the last 18 seasons. Look at the SB winning QB's all but 3 are either excellent or Elite. The 3 exceptions are Dilfer, Eli Manning and Brad Johnson.

THE SB Winning QB's
Aikman
Favre
Roethlisberger (2)
Elway (2)
Warner
Peyton Manning
Brees
Brady (3)
Rodgers

This is a QB league now. The NFL has changed a lot since since the Redskins last won a SB.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:39 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Trent Dilfer is one of the few exceptions to SB winning QB's that aren't franchise QB's. Baltimore had one of the best if not the best defenses in NFL history. Sorry but the Redskins are far away from having a defense like that. Look at the last 18 seasons. Look at the SB winning QB's all but 3 are either excellent or Elite. The 3 exceptions are Dilfer, Eli Manning and Brad Johnson.

THE SB Winning QB's
Aikman
Favre
Roethlisberger (2)
Elway (2)
Warner
Peyton Manning
Brees
Brady (3)
Rodgers

This is a QB league now. The NFL has changed a lot since since the Redskins last won a SB.

You forgot Rex too

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:41 pm

Rex Grossman never won a SB donkey.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:44 pm

Kilmer72 wrote:
RedskinsRule56 wrote:Trent Dilfer is one of the few exceptions to SB winning QB's that aren't franchise QB's. Baltimore had one of the best if not the best defenses in NFL history. Sorry but the Redskins are far away from having a defense like that. Look at the last 18 seasons. Look at the SB winning QB's all but 3 are either excellent or Elite. The 3 exceptions are Dilfer, Eli Manning and Brad Johnson.

THE SB Winning QB's
Aikman
Favre
Roethlisberger (2)
Elway (2)
Warner
Peyton Manning
Brees
Brady (3)
Rodgers

This is a QB league now. The NFL has changed a lot since since the Redskins last won a SB.

You forgot Rex too

Never mind...Some how I think he can get it done if he ever gets a contract.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:47 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Rex Grossman never won a SB donkey.

Wow and I was one of the few if any that gave you any credibility. How fast they turn on you.

bbatty · Post by **bbatty** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:34 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The worst thing that could happen is that this team somehow wins 6-8 games and Mr. Tanning Bed (Shanahan) thinks there might be a future with John Beck at QB. Sorry but John Beck will never be able to lead us to the playoffs. We need to get a Franchise QB (Most Preferably Andrew Luck!)

Hey, I disagree again with your negative assessment. Earlier post you said your projecting 2 games won this year! Easier schedule than last year. How can you say something like that. Just an FYI I'll take that bet put your $$ where your mouth is.

As far as John Beck as QB and the Franchise QB stuff goes. What exactly was Troy Aikmans W/L record the first year he played? 1 and 15, He at least had a better Offence than Miami had when Beck started for them. Let's give the kid a shot see what he can do or not do to make or break his career.

We at least have so mewhat of a chance offensively this year, I wouldn't bet a whole bunch yet but at least they have some experience together and know the playbook better.

We aren't winning the super bowl this yr but now we at least have a foundation set. I project 2013, 2014 we should have a playoff caliber team, with any LUCK no pun intended maybe sooner.

Brad
HTTR

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:39 pm

HUH Bbaty? Aikman was drafted to be a franchise QB and he proved just that. He won 3 SBs and is in the HOF!

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:02 am

RedskinsRule56 wrote:
This is a QB league now. The NFL has changed a lot since since the Redskins last won a SB.

You're the league has changed. It isn't as good. The 91 Skins would have sheared any SB winner since the 90's. Heck the 91 Bills would have destroyed most of them.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:52 am

Selvish Capers working at left guard.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:57 am

bbatty wrote:Hey, I disagree again with your negative assessment. Earlier post you said your projecting 2 games won this year! Easier schedule than last year. How can you say something like that. Just an FYI I'll take that bet put your $$ where your mouth is.

As far as John Beck as QB and the Franchise QB stuff goes. What exactly was Troy Aikmans W/L record the first year he played? 1 and 15, He at least had a better Offence than Miami had when Beck started for them. Let's give the kid a shot see what he can do or not do to make or break his career.

We at least have so mewhat of a chance offensively this year, I wouldn't bet a whole bunch yet but at least they have some experience together and know the playbook better.

We aren't winning the super bowl this yr but now we at least have a foundation set. I project 2013, 2014 we should have a playoff caliber team, with any LUCK no pun intended maybe sooner.

Brad

Your optimism will get you nowhere, haven't you seen how they dismantle my posts???? :lol:

bbatty · Post by **bbatty** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:46 am

RedskinsRule56 wrote:HUH Bbaty? Aikman was drafted to be a franchise QB and he proved just that. He won 3 SBs and is in the HOF!

Yes he did. But the first full season he played as Dallas starter his win/loss ratio was 1 Win and 15 losses. Do you think beck was drafted to be a backup in Miami? LMBO

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:04 am

bbatty wrote:
RedskinsRule56 wrote:HUH Bbaty? Aikman was drafted to be a franchise QB and he proved just that. He won 3 SBs and is in the HOF!

Yes he did. But the first full season he played as Dallas starter his win/loss ratio was 1 Win and 15 losses. Do you think beck was drafted to be a backup in Miami? LMBO

2000 Dallas Cowboys 11games 11starts 156Comp 262Atts 59.5Pct Comp 1,632Yds 7 TDs 14 INTs 64.3 rating

As you can tell by the numbers, Aikman had a stellar rookie season.

bbatty · Post by **bbatty** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:57 pm

Red_One43 wrote:
bbatty wrote:
RedskinsRule56 wrote:HUH Bbaty? Aikman was drafted to be a franchise QB and he proved just that. He won 3 SBs and is in the HOF!

Yes he did. But the first full season he played as Dallas starter his win/loss ratio was 1 Win and 15 losses. Do you think beck was drafted to be a backup in Miami? LMBO

2000 Dallas Cowboys 11games 11starts 156Comp 262Atts 59.5Pct Comp 1,632Yds 7 TDs 14 INTs 64.3 rating

As you can tell by the numbers, Aikman had a stellar rookie season.

Stellar 15 losses. 7 TD's to 14 Interceptions, wow he sucked but he was
still a huge success later in his career. Get my point.

Lets give Beck his chance with a decent O lne and see his stats. Lets compare apples to apples.

What are you going to say if Becks numbers are simular to Aikman at the end of this year?

Alot of new drafted QB's come in to their new team and look great initially
but aren't anything more than a good backup down the road.

I must of really chapped you about the 2 wins this yr. and putting your $$
where your mouth is. No offence intended just excited to see some kind of positive change to this team. If it fails ok then at least they tried something new, I'm betting the change will workout to the teams benefit.

I also think we might just really SHOCK a few people if Beck turns out to
have really learned something sitting for a few years. Practicing against the Ravens defence.

Brad
HTTR

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:27 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Trent Dilfer is one of the few exceptions to SB winning QB's that aren't franchise QB's. Baltimore had one of the best if not the best defense in NFL history. Sorry but the Redskins are far away from having a defense like that. Look at the last 18 seasons. Look at the SB winning QB's all but 3 are either excellent or Elite. The 3 exceptions are Dilfer, Eli Manning and Brad Johnson.

THE SB Winning QB's
Aikman
Favre
Roethlisberger (2)
Elway (2)
Warner
Peyton Manning
Brees
Brady (3)
Rodgers

This is a QB league now. The NFL has changed a lot since since the Redskins last won a SB.

2 points:
1) not all were top 10 picks. Warner was undrafted, Brady a late pick.
2) did they win the SB because they were franchis QB's or are they franchise QB's because their TEAMS won SB's?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:34 am

bbatty wrote:
I'm betting the change will workout to the teams benefit.

You will win that bet!

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:44 am

So here's the offensive breakdown as we start cutting down the roster.

Quarterback
#12 John Beck
#8 Rex Grossman
#11 Kellen Clemens

We should know enough about these guys now, Grossman was a former first round pick, Beck and Clemens former second rounders. All have started in the NFL before, but only Grossman has been a full season starter. Actually a lot of experience in this group, but not a lot of skill. IMO, pretty much the most we could hope for from these guys is someone to be a game manager. We just need someone to come in and not throw picks.

Running Back
#46 Ryan Torain
#34 Tim Hightower
#26 Roy Helu
#22 Evan Royster
#35 Keiland Williams

Shanahan has a great track record with running backs, but that's always seemed to be because of his dominant offensive lines. Still, we saw flashes from Torain who had multiple 100 yard gains. Tim Hightower is new, and he's show flashes of brilliance too. Both guys are made for this system. Hopefully they work out. Helu and Royster are rookies, hopefully they stick around for a while. It's a crowded backfield though, and Keiland Williams proved to be a useful goalline back in 2011.

Fullback
#45 Mike Sellers
#36 Darrel Young

Young has been getting more of the work, so it looks like the end of the line for Mike Sellers. I don't expect Sellers to break camp with the team.

Wide Receiever
#89 Santana Moss
#13 Anthony Armstrong
#10 Jabar Gaffney
#85 Leonard Hankerson
#14 Malcolm Kelly
#19 Donte' Stallworth
#16 Brandon Banks

This is a crowded position and there's a few more I didn't list. Moss, Armstrong and Gaffney all had more than 800 yds receiving last season. Hankerson and Kelly look great in camp and Banks is on the roster bubble since he's limited to returning kicks.

Looks like the WR corps may be a position of strength for Beck and Grossman. These guys all just go to work, no complaining, and with the possible exception of Stallworth character is a huge plus for everyone.

Tight End
#47 Chris Cool

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#83 Fred Davis

There's a couple camp bodies in there too, but these are the two guys to beat. Cool

ey and Davis are arguably the best TE combo in football. One position where we have strength for sure.

Offensive Line
#71 Trent Williams
#78 Kory Lichtensteiger
#63 Will Montgomery
#65 Chris Chester
#77 Jammal Brown
#75 Artis Hicks
Clint Oldenburg
Selvish Capers
Eric Cook
Xavier Fulton
Maurice Hurt
Willie Smith

The line is pretty thin, especially on the interior. Seems like with a shortened offseason and a weak FA market Shanahan went for continuity and familiarity with the scheme to try and get results. I don't know if it's gonna work. I like Williams and Brown a lot, but there's very little depth at all, to go with a weak interior. Maybe we'll see one or two of the interior line step up. As for who makes the team as a reserve, I don't see an obvious choice as a backup center but that could get sorted out. The rest will be hammered out in camp.[/b]