How will the lockout be resolved?

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat May 28, 2011 10:21 am

We've discussed when it'll end, but how will it end?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat May 28, 2011 1:24 pm

Right now, we are seeing a couple of players are speaking up and saying get back to the negotiations. When the players lose the court battle for the injunction to lift the lockout, more players will speak up wanting serious negotiations. As more players began to speak up, more will join them and an agreement will be reached.

Some sources, have reported that the sides are not that far apart. Once all avenues for lifting the lockout are cut off, the players will give in and sign an agreement that in effect gives money back, but it will be one such as seen to be a fair settlement. The owners are not seeking to destroy the players, because they know that they will be back here again in the future if a deal is too one sided.

The players have the leverage of the Brady lawsuit to also keep the owners in check with their proposal. If you remember when the players strike ended in 1987, they continued the fight with an anti trust lawsuit. Winning a court battle over the lockout is one thing (Labor's Jurisdiction according to the 8th Circuit), but I don't think the owners want to risk dealing with another anti-trust lawsuit (Definitely gov't jurisdiction). Also, if an unfair agreement is forced on the players, more anti-trust lawsuits would follow right after.

Most of the players are not millionaires, so they won't see themselves as giving money back. I believe that they will put enough pressure on player leaders to sign the best deal available.

My time frame - about mid July a deal will be signed.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon May 30, 2011 12:50 am

Red_One43 wrote:
Right now, we are seeing a couple of players are speaking up and saying get back to the negotiations. When the players lose the court battle for the injunction to lift the lockout, more players will speak up wanting serious negotiations. As more players began to speak up, more will join them and an agreement will be reached.

Some sources, have reported that the sides are not that far apart. Once all avenues for lifting the lockout are cut off, the players will give in and sign an agreement that in effect gives money back, but it will be one such as seen to be a fair settlement. The owners are not seeking to destroy the players, because they know that they will be back here again in the future if a deal is too one sided.

"In our assessment, plenty of players are willing to take a year off if need be. But plenty of others aren’t.

That polarity will come into focus if the Eighth Circuit allows the lockout to proceed and the question then becomes whether the players (i.e., the NFLPA*) will move on to the next branch in the litigation tree or whether the players (i.e., the men who wear the helmets) will demand that the players (i.e., the NFLPA*) respond to the league’s offers of March 11 and May 16 (if an offer was actually made on May 16) and commit to continuous negotiations."

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KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:55 am

Red_One43 wrote:
Right now, we are seeing a couple of players are speaking up and saying get back to the negotiations. When the players lose the court battle for the injunction to lift the lockout, more players will speak up wanting serious negotiations. As more players began to speak up, more will join them and an agreement will be reached.

Some sources, have reported that the sides are not that far apart. Once all avenues for lifting the lockout are cut off, the players will give in and sign an agreement that in effect gives money back, but it will be one such as seen to be a fair settlement. The owners are not seeking to destroy the players, because they know that they will be back here again in the future if a deal is too one sided.

"In our assessment, plenty of players are willing to take a year off if need be. But plenty of others aren’t.

That polarity will come into focus if the Eighth Circuit allows the lockout to proceed and the question then becomes whether the players (i.e., the NFLPA*) will move on to the next branch in the litigation tree or whether the players (i.e., the men who wear the helmets) will demand that the players (i.e., the NFLPA*) respond to the league’s offers of March 11 and May 16 (if an offer was actually made on May 16) and commit to continuous negotiations."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ong-fight/

Certainly nothing will happen before the ruling at this point. Everyone waiting for the decree of the imperial Federal Government, exactly how labor discussions should be settled...

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Mon May 30, 2011 5:28 pm

B and D. either scenario players need to cave.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:42 am

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Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:06 am

Red_One43 wrote:Right now, we are seeing a couple of players are speaking up and saying get back to the negotiations. When the players lose the court battle for the injunction to lift the lockout, more players will speak up wanting serious negotiations. As more players began to speak up, more will join them and an agreement will be reached.

Some sources, have reported that the sides are not that far apart. Once all avenues for lifting the lockout are cut off, the players will give in and sign an agreement that in effect gives money back, but it will be one such as seen to be a fair settlement. The owners are not seeking to destroy the players, because they know that they will be back here again in the future if a deal is too one sided.

The players have the leverage of the Brady lawsuit to also keep the owners in check with their proposal. If you remember when the players strike ended in 1987, they continued the fight with an anti trust lawsuit. Winning a court battle over the lockout is one thing (Labor's Jurisdiction according to the 8th Circuit), but I don't think the owners want to risk dealing with another anti-trust lawsuit (Definitely gov't jurisdiction). Also, if an unfair agreement is forced on the players, more anti-trust lawsuits would follow right after.

Most of the players are not millionaires, so they won't see themselves as giving money back. I believe that they will put enough pressure on player leaders to sign the best deal available.

My time frame - about mid July a deal will be signed.

I am still betting on my mid July time frame (the proposed dealine of 15 July) for the lockout to end. Not happening exactly as I called it - believed back in May that the 8th circuit's ruling would be sooner and have a direct bearing on the speeding up the negotiations. I thought that all avenues on the injunction would be exhausted before the players were willing to give back money. Wrong on those counts.

It came down to neither side really wants to lose any money. Losing $200 million a for the 4 week preseason is proving to be the real motivator to getting the deal done. Makes sense why haggle over $200 to $300 million to lose $800,000 right off the bat.

It is great to see neither side is trying to force a totally one-sided deal down the other's throat. A one-sided deal will only get us back to this spot again.

We might not ever know if the players pressured their leadership into make changing its position, but it is clear that the player leadership is ready to sign the deal.

Right now, the biggest hang up reported by Albert Breer of NFL Network, seems to be the Rookie Wage Scale.

Breer outlines the key sticking points, the most important of which is the league’s insistence on five-year deals for first-round picks, and the players’ preference for four-year contracts in round one. He explains that one league proposal includes a trigger that would “push[] the fifth year to 150 percent of an average starter’s salary at his position, with a floor of $6 million and a ceiling of $12 million” for the first eight picks.

I never thought that amount of years on the rookie contract would be a hang up. When the rookie wage scale was first proposed, the argument was about who would pocket the savings, the owners or the players. The salary cap and cap floor seems to have resolved that question. It appears the owners are making one last gasp effort to hang on to their talent rather than it being just a money issue since they are willing to give a huge raise to the 5th year of a player who is picked among the first 8 picks of round 1. Looks like a kinda "rookie" franchise tag. Can't say that I see the fairness in this - first you make the top 8 or 10 players picked abide by a wage scale and then try to stop them from cashing in on their successful 4 years while their peers, who were not top 8 or 10 picks, but had stud seasons, cash in on theirs. Don't see the players giving in to this, but I can't say I blame the owners on working right up to the deadline to try to get some type of help to keep from losing their talent. My guess is small market owners are backing this kind of proposal. I doubt that this will stop a deal being made this week. I am still optimistic that they make their deadline, July 15th? or whatever it is, and save the whole preseason.

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1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:15 am

No matter when the lockout ends, the timeline of logistics after the lockout ends in ESPN’s report should remain consistent. Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen report that it will go something like this:

4 days after the ratification: Teams will be able to sign undrafted players. On the same day, teams will get a three-day window to re-sign their own players. It’s safe to say tampering will go nuts in this period as agents shop deals around.

7 days after ratification: Free agency starts. So does the league year. A lot of huge deals figure to be signed within hours. Magic.

12 days after ratification: Rosters will be set at 90 players. That’s a lot of signing in a very short amount of time.

13 days after ratification: Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets. (We’re assuming RFAs will only be third year players at this point, but that isn’t confirmed.)

17 days after ratification: A four-day period for teams to match restricted free-agent offer sheets ends.

22 days after ratification: This one isn’t agreed upon, but it could be a deadline for rookies to sign. Um, wow. This unprecedented idea is something we’ll delve into later.

26 days after ratification: The signing period for RFAs, franchise players, and transition tag players ends.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:42 pm

looks like this will be resolved in 10 days

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:15 am

Scottskins wrote:looks like this will be resolved in 10 days

That's what they are shooting for... If they miss there may not be a HoF game but everything else looks to be on schedule.