Sarah Palin is improving

[Deadskins]

You can listen to whoever you like. The point I was making is that Hannity and Limbaugh bash democrats, but you are complaining about how the liberal media is always bashing republicans

Actually, my criticism of the media (you guys really need to buy dictionaries) is that they bash Republicans and NOT Democrats. They have a double standard. I've said that clearly and repeatedly, is it really that hard to follow? They bash Republicans, that's my my complaint? Please.

What about the segment of the media that does the exact opposite? Those that bash Democrats and NOT Republicans? You always act as if that segment doesn't exist. Anyway, it's not even about WHO each side of the media is bashing, but WHY they are bashing them. The design is to keep the country polarized against itself. Divide and conquer. It has nothing to do with informing the public, but maintaining the status quo.

I'm also curious about your definition of bashing. I get the impression you're most upset about entertainers making jokes at the right's expense, more than news articles or reports taking politicians to task for their policies.

[Cappster]

And I will say roughly zero of the action plans you listed will by carried out by any party. I just do not believe the federal government will reduce itself. They may cut back spending a little bit, but that is about it.

They aren't going to cut anything. Spending is the source of their power. So if by what do we cut you mean what is politically going to happen by either party, I agree with you, nothing. I took your question to be what could we cut.

And this is why I believe the tea party is blowing smoke. They want to talk about what the could do instead of what they can do. The are just the same wolf in different sheep clothing.

OK, whatever. They are a waste of time because other politicians won't do what they want. And more then that, if people won't listen to you advocating the right thing, that makes you the same as them. Makes perfect sense, why try if you will fail? I've never achieved anything good by ignoring Trey's advice. Proven once again.

I am not saying they don't have the intent to try. I am saying they will fall under the same powers of influence of the three ring circus that is Capitol Hill.

You didn't say they will fail, you said they are the same wolf in different clothing. I'd like to discuss the Tea Party with you, but I'm discussing the national movement and you're fixated on your moronic friends, I can't bridge that gap. They are trying to roll back Obama care. They have gotten agreement to cite the constitutional authority for every bill. They are attaching the requirement for spending cuts to debt increases. They are trying. Calling them racists and that they are the same "wolf in different clothing" isn't helping. They are trying. This country is on the border of choosing the path to Euroweenie cowardice and mediocrity. If people who should support them don't, then failure is self fulfilling.

So we are discussing my moronic friends? Where am I discussing my friends? Look, bottom line is I don't trust ANY politician nor do I believe in what the say the are going to try and do. I don't support republicans, democrats, tea, green, etc... I would support people who think on their own accord and who align themselves as people who want to do the right thing for ALL of humanity.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm also curious about your definition of bashing. I get the impression you're most upset about entertainers making jokes at the right's expense

Why would you get that impression since I told you yesterday what my issue was and it wasn't that. Here you go again since you missed it.

But on the follow on question, my challenge is that the "jokes" consistently just happen to support one ideology. I like South Park for example who constantly rip people I like because they rip everyone. Family Guy is the reverse, as is the humor of a lot of people like Colbert. I'd think they were funny if they ever applied that humor to people they like. If you don't laugh at their jokes, you don't have a sense of humor. When senses of humor represent one and only one ideology, I don't think it's humor, I think it's agenda and loses the humor because the joke was a statement, not a joke.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Palin is responsible for the Mall shooting. Just same old politics of personal destruction of the Democratic party we always get.

[funbuncher]

Man, I had no idea hogs.net had a non-football forum.

Kazoo, your patience was on full display in this thread bro. Cappster, your ignorance and bias was on full display as well. why don't you just own it dude? Why pretend you're not a lib? every lib I know fancies themselves an independent. ride the fence too long and your crotch gets sore. Kazoo i'd footnote it if I knew who said it first. ha

Has anyone ever noticed that almost no one will ever admit to being a liberal, but at the same time plenty of folks are quick to jump in and "spew" (hat-tip Cappster) liberal talking points? meanwhile, a libertarian or conservative is ALWAYS proud to tell you exactly what they are and what they believe. you ask for examples of what they'd do different and they present you with their list. lol

Kazoo touched on this earlier. Liberalism is indefensible if you look to close, so the only strategy available is to smear the other side. call names and try to shift the focus to something irrelevent like racism. the race card is a signal that the liberal is out of ammo. I got nothing here, what the hell, you're a racist. This would never work except that is it aided by ridiculously complicit media.

Cappster, buddy, listen man, the tea party is not racist. they really aren't. they just want smaller govt. not that controversial. just because a bunch of people repeat the same lie, it doesn't make it true. There is enough racism in this world that needs to be stood up to without conjuring it where it doesn't exist. that only marginalizes actual victims of racism.

The history of liberalism in the world is failure after failure. Failures that often end in oppression and even genocide. Meanwhile conservatism is as American as apple pie, or better yet, pecan pie. Conservatism is the story of American Exceptionalism (hat tip Rush). The closer you look the better it sounds. The reason 30 million people listen to Rush is not because there are 30 million racists morons out there Cappster. it's because the message rings true. There is nothing to hide. you don't have to check your common sense at the door, or do mental gymnastics to "fool" anyone in a debate. Conservatism sells itself. The founding father's vision of the size and role of govt in this country is quite obvious if you read anything they wrote. They're spinning in the graves right now, but it's not over yet. The pendulum is swinging hard as the main-stream media is losing market share.

[Redskin in Canada]

Ex-Palin aide: I would never vote for Sarah

[Countertrey]

Ex-Palin aide: I would never vote for Sarah

Sounds like a bitter man... that's about the only kind of person who would speak with Bahar, who is about the most hate filled leftist on TV...

Bottom line, if Bahar, who is crap, interviewed him in a friendly manner, he's crap.

[Redskin in Canada]

Ex-Palin aide: I would never vote for Sarah

Sounds like a bitter man... that's about the only kind of person who would speak with Bahar, who is about the most hate filled leftist on TV...

Bottom line, if Bahar, who is crap, interviewed him in a friendly manner, he's crap.

Maybe so on both counts but when the Republican Party looks up to her as their candidate, they strengthen the chances of a democratic re-election.

How bankrupt is the political landscape that she argues that she can "see Russia from her front porch" as proof of her credentials of geopolitical -knowledge and ability- to negotiate internationally?

I have good friends who acknowledge her ineptitude and ignorance but voted for her based solely on their religious beliefs and values. If I was them, I would not want something as important as my religious beliefs and values be represented by her. But I digress ...

What is wrong with nominating an actually smart, articulate and knowledgeable Republican candidate?

American is not one of my nationalities but IF I was one and IF I was a Republican, would somebody like Ron Paul not make better common sense from ALL perspectives?

What is so appealing about having a candidate who is so fundamentally flawed in all areas of essential competence, including her parenting and governor record, which basically guarantees another reelection to the opposition?

I jus do not get it. Only in America, or the desperate religious right in America to be precise.

[Cappster]

Man, I had no idea hogs.net had a non-football forum.

Kazoo, your patience was on full display in this thread bro. Cappster, your ignorance and bias was on full display as well. why don't you just own it dude? Why pretend you're not a lib? every lib I know fancies themselves an independent. ride the fence too long and your crotch gets sore. Kazoo i'd footnote it if I knew who said it first. ha

Has anyone ever noticed that almost no one will ever admit to being a liberal, but at the same time plenty of folks are quick to jump in and "spew" (hat-tip Cappster) liberal talking points? meanwhile, a libertarian or conservative is ALWAYS proud to tell you exactly what they are and what they believe. you ask for examples of what they'd do different and they present you with their list. lol

Kazoo touched on this earlier. Liberalism is indefensible if you look to close, so the only strategy available is to smear the other side. call names and try to shift the focus to something irrelevent like racism. the race card is a signal that the liberal is out of ammo. I got nothing here, what the hell, you're a racist. This would never work except that is it aided by ridiculously complicit media.

Cappster, buddy, listen man, the tea party is not racist. they really aren't. they just want smaller govt. not that controversial. just because a bunch of people repeat the same lie, it doesn't make it true. There is enough racism in this world that needs to be stood up to without conjuring it where it doesn't exist. that only marginalizes actual victims of racism.

The history of liberalism in the world is failure after failure. Failures that often end in oppression and even genocide. Meanwhile conservatism is as American as apple pie, or better yet, pecan pie. Conservatism is the story of American Exceptionalism (hat tip Rush). The closer you look the better it sounds. The reason 30 million people listen to Rush is not because there are 30 million racists morons out there Cappster. it's because the message rings true. There is nothing to hide. you don't have to check your common sense at the door, or do mental gymnastics to "fool" anyone in a debate. Conservatism sells itself. The founding father's vision of the size and role of govt in this country is quite obvious if you read anything they wrote. They're spinning in the graves right now, but it's not over yet. The pendulum is swinging hard as the main-stream media is losing market share.

So it sounds like you are far right wing tea sipper as well. See, this is the problem with the country. You can only be considered some form of republican or liberal, but to hell if one can think for themselves. And on a side note, I've never voted for a liberal candidate. Anyway, I stated that the people I knew who were tea partiers are, indeed, prejudice against non-whites. I see nothing from the rest of the tea party that would make believe they are not all about protecting white privilege. And you want to talk about the size of the government? Both republicans and democrats have increased the size of government and neither side is willing to give their power back to the individual citizens.

[Cappster]

Ex-Palin aide: I would never vote for Sarah

Sounds like a bitter man... that's about the only kind of person who would speak with Bahar, who is about the most hate filled leftist on TV...

Bottom line, if Bahar, who is crap, interviewed him in a friendly manner, he's crap.

Maybe so on both counts but when the Republican Party looks up to her as their candidate, they strengthen the chances of a democratic re-election.

How bankrupt is the political landscape that she argues that she can "see Russia from her front porch" as proof of her credentials of geopolitical -knowledge and ability- to negotiate internationally?

I have good friends who acknowledge her ineptitude and ignorance but voted for her based solely on their religious beliefs and values. If I was them, I would not want something as important as my religious beliefs and values be represented by her. But I digress ...

What is wrong with nominating an actually smart, articulate and knowledgeable Republican candidate?

American is not one of my nationalities but IF I was one and IF I was a Republican, would somebody like Ron Paul not make better common sense from ALL perspectives?

What is so appealing about having a candidate who is so fundamentally flawed in all areas of essential competence, including her parenting and governor record, which basically guarantees another reelection to the opposition?

I jus do not get it. Only in America, or the desperate religious right in America to be precise.

RiC, that is the nature of politics in this country. I would rather have an articulate candidate, like you stated, that was worried more about ethical behavior than relying on their "religious principles." The radical right states homosexuality is an "abomination," but will not hesitate to drop bombs on anyone at the drop of a hat. They want smaller government, but want to tell people how to live their lives. Liberals are guilty of being Catholic before and after, but not during their abortion. Religion and politics desperately need to be separate.

[ATX_Skins]

^^^ Exactly!

[Countertrey]

Palin was a candidate for Vice President, had difficulties with articulation, and provided some overt gaffes while on the trail. She is not currently in any political office. None the less, she is drawing all kinds of exaggerated fire that results from significant massaging of her statements, much of which could be classified as character assasination, except that she has provided so much ammunition.

On the other hand, we have Joe "where's my next f-bomb" Biden, a walking stupid comment machine, who is the heavy weight champion of the assinine statment. Wonder how many threads there are about his idiocy? Consider that, unlike Palin, he is actually in a political office, and is, in fact, a heart beat away...

Whatevs....

[KazooSkinsFan]

How bankrupt is the political landscape that she argues that she can "see Russia from her front porch" as proof of her credentials of geopolitical -knowledge and ability- to negotiate internationally?

How bankrupt is a system where people quote Tina Fey and attribute it to Sarah Palin?

[Redskin in Canada]

How bankrupt is the political landscape that she argues that she can "see Russia from her front porch" as proof of her credentials of geopolitical -knowledge and ability- to negotiate internationally?

How bankrupt is a system where people quote Tina Fey and attribute it to Sarah Palin?

Well, let us bring up the two quotes:

"They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska -- from an island in Alaska."

"Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side the land boundary that we have with Canada....

It certainly enhances my foreign policy credentials. It is very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia.
As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It is just right over the border.
It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, next to our state."

Proximity to Kamtchatka, or the Diomede islands to be more precise, gives her a unique insight into the Foreign Policy and international relations conducted from the Kremlin in Moscow ... how many miles away?


Let's watch the video, shall we?



‪Sarah Palin Discusses Russia With Katie Couric‬

On the same token, she might be a master on Canadian policy too. Alaska has a long land boundary with Canada, which conducts its foreign policy from Ottawa also only a few thousand miles away. Her "proximity" to a maritime boundary with Russia and a land boundary with Canada provides instant knowledge and insight on international relations.

Silly me.

[Redskin in Canada]

On the other hand, we have Joe "where's my next f-bomb" Biden, a walking stupid comment machine, who is the heavy weight champion of the assinine statment. Wonder how many threads there are about his idiocy?

Nobody argues here that Palin has a monopoly on ignorance, incompetence or foolishness. It is me who argues that a large portion of the entire political establishment is bankrupt. And not only in the USA if you wish to receive some comfort.

In a 30 second-spot and media-dominated society, the electorate seems to be making choices not based on careful scrutiny and policy but merely based on appearances and spin.

How else would some prominent politicians survive the most elementary scrutiny?

[KazooSkinsFan]

Silly me.

Her actual quote was dubious to say the least. By sticking to what she said you'd have made a strong point. By quoting Tina Fey you made your argument the joke. As you say, silly you.

[KazooSkinsFan]

On the other hand, we have Joe "where's my next f-bomb" Biden, a walking stupid comment machine, who is the heavy weight champion of the assinine statment. Wonder how many threads there are about his idiocy?

Nobody argues here that Palin has a monopoly on ignorance, incompetence or foolishness. It is me who argues that a large portion of the entire political establishment is bankrupt. And not only in the USA if you wish to receive some comfort.

In a 30 second-spot and media-dominated society, the electorate seems to be making choices not based on careful scrutiny and policy but merely based on appearances and spin.

How else would some prominent politicians survive the most elementary scrutiny?

I'm not a big fan of hers, she's OK. But she doesn't deserve the ridiculous abuse she gets while liberals like Joe Biden, Al Gore and John Kerry who say far more idiotic things on a far more regular basis get off because they are liberal. And with your Russia example as well. Again, you go to the three liberals I mentioned and review some of their ridiculous statements and conclusions and compared to that I'd agree she's a foreign policy expert because Alaska touches Kamchaka. Which BTW exceeds our current Boob In Chief's prior foreign policy experience...

[Redskin in Canada]

I'm not a big fan of hers, she's OK.

Yes, she is OK with you. Let us rejoice in some of her greatest hits.

Palin for President of the USA!!!

[Countertrey]

On the other hand, we have Joe "where's my next f-bomb" Biden, a walking stupid comment machine, who is the heavy weight champion of the assinine statment. Wonder how many threads there are about his idiocy?

Nobody argues here that Palin has a monopoly on ignorance, incompetence or foolishness. It is me who argues that a large portion of the entire political establishment is bankrupt. And not only in the USA if you wish to receive some comfort.

In a 30 second-spot and media-dominated society, the electorate seems to be making choices not based on careful scrutiny and policy but merely based on appearances and spin.

How else would some prominent politicians survive the most elementary scrutiny?

You state this as if you have some special insight. You generously "concede" that Palin is not alone as an oafish pol, yet it was NOT Biden that I observed you trashing. If you are honestly "concerned" about the state of American decision making, I find it incredible that you do not seem to have an issue with a man who have never done anything truly constructive in his life becoming President of the most powerful nation in the world, and actually WINNING A FREAKING NOBEL PRIZE for winning an election. Freaking "intellectuals" made that determination... talk about "making choices not based on careful scrutiny and policy, but merely based on appearances and spin". Obama wins the Nobel because he's not Bush. Hey... I'm not Bush, either. Where's my million?

Shazbat. Your "concerns" seem pretty damned selective.

Regarding International Relations... while I'm sure that Obama's recurring "World Apology Tour" pleases you, it is most certainly NOT effective policy... yet, nowhere do I see you wondering why Couric at no time challenged Obama in the same manner.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm not a big fan of hers, she's OK.

Yes, she is OK with you. Let us rejoice in some of her greatest hits.

Palin for President of the USA!!!

A tape extremely edited and cobbled together to not let her uninteruptedly answer a question is at least a better argument then quoting Tina Fey and claiming she said it, so it's at least the right direction.

You do realize she wasn't just a citizen of Alaska, she was actually Governor? Is that a stretch still? Definitely. Is it equivalent to that she can see Alaska from her porch? Not in the slightest. And again, being Governor of a State bordering Russia's national waters exceeds Obama's credentials when he was actually elected to the #1 seat while she only ran for #2.

[KazooSkinsFan]

OK, so Sarah, former VP candidate, says as Alaska governor that her State bordered Russia is international experience. A stretch? Yep. How's it compared our actual elected VP?

Joe Biden: Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S

Joe Biden: If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.

BTW, his helecopter was forced down by a snowstorm...

[welch]

I've been spending more time watching baseball lately, what with the lock-out etc and a possibility that this NFL season won't be played.

Still, it's god to come "home" and see that some familiar things haven't changed <g> [doing Quick reply...so no grain or wink available!]

[Cappster]

I'm not a big fan of hers, she's OK.

Yes, she is OK with you. Let us rejoice in some of her greatest hits.

Palin for President of the USA!!!

That was painful to watch, but funny at the same time. I noticed in the video (the segment in the link below) that Couric referenced that Obama stated he would launch attacks into Pakistan and Palin tried to back peddle away from it. Amusing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_ ... page#t=92s

[Cappster]

OK, so Sarah, former VP candidate, says as Alaska governor that her State bordered Russia is international experience. A stretch? Yep. How's it compared our actual elected VP?

Joe Biden: Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S

Joe Biden: If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.

BTW, his helecopter was forced down by a snowstorm...

Joe Biden is a jackass, but this thread is about Palin and her political ineptitude...at least that is what it turned out to be.

[KazooSkinsFan]

OK, so Sarah, former VP candidate, says as Alaska governor that her State bordered Russia is international experience. A stretch? Yep. How's it compared our actual elected VP?

Joe Biden: Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S

Joe Biden: If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.

BTW, his helecopter was forced down by a snowstorm...

Joe Biden is a jackass, but this thread is about Palin and her political ineptitude...at least that is what it turned out to be.

Comparing people to Palin and discussing the double standard between how Palin and other politicians are treated isn't about Palin...in the thread I started about Palin...

...Noted.

She has improved. She was a neophyte, now she's OK. But that's scary. we can't risk someone not polished with the press, they may screw things up. Of course liberals get a pass. But we're in a real mess right now, we can't risk anyone but a polished politician (or a liberal), I see your point.

I'm trying to remember, who created this mess?

I'm drawing a blank.