Redskins have 3 of the top 15 Free Agents

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:23 pm

Heres my take:

I resign Moss and team him with Hankerson, AA, Kelley and sign a veteran guy like Kevin Walter (knows kyles offense).

I let Brown go and pick up the Comp pick for him, then I sign Ryan Harris to play RT. At 25 ys old and with ZBS experience, it would give us our bookend tackles for the next 5-6 years.

I let Rogers go and also pick the comp pick for him. Theres no way you can invest the money needed to resign Carlos into a secondary with existing big contracts (Hall, Atogwe), especially when your looking to extend Laron Landry also. Use that money on O Line and D Dline. I could see us signing a veteran to take his place like Bachanon or Josh Wilson, hoping that Banks/Westbrook steps into that role. I think you can forget about spending another 100 million on a 30 y/o CB, although a great player, on a REBUILDING team.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:02 pm

die cowboys die wrote:i'm going to say something most probably won't agree with, something i've reluctantly come to believe.

i think we should let Santana Moss go. not because i don't think he's good; he is our best receiver, period. in the short term, we will likely be worse for having lost him.

but there are 3 good things that could come of it:

1. if we just go ahead and put Hankerson out there in his place, or Kelly [if he can actually stay healthy for once], or some other young guy we like, i would think that should help him develop, faster. there's nothing like game experience. so it may behoove us in the long run by letting us develop our young guys for the future.

2. doing so may make us worse in the short-term, but this is the year it's good to suck, to have a shot at getting Andrew Luck.

3. Moss has done a great job for us and never bitched and moaned about wanting to be traded away, despite the sorry mismanagement of the team and the many losing seasons that accompanied it. let him go have a chance to sign with a contender; let him go somewhere where he can win, before his career is over.

I don't like the idea of having 3 rook WRs, 1 1yr player, and whatever you consider Kelly with no veteran leadership. Moss excelled in the system and can be an on field coach for these young guys. I understand what you're saying, but I just can't get on board.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:07 pm

I don't want to resign moss but we need to sign somebody. We ignore receiver every year and think if we change qb's every five seconds the situation will improve.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:09 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
die cowboys die wrote:i'm going to say something most probably won't agree with, something i've reluctantly come to believe.

i think we should let Santana Moss go. not because i don't think he's good; he is our best receiver, period. in the short term, we will likely be worse for having lost him.

but there are 3 good things that could come of it:

1. if we just go ahead and put Hankerson out there in his place, or Kelly [if he can actually stay healthy for once], or some other young guy we like, i would think that should help him develop, faster. there's nothing like game experience. so it may behoove us in the long run by letting us develop our young guys for the future.

2. doing so may make us worse in the short-term, but this is the year it's good to suck, to have a shot at getting Andrew Luck.

3. Moss has done a great job for us and never bitched and moaned about wanting to be traded away, despite the sorry mismanagement of the team and the many losing seasons that accompanied it. let him go have a chance to sign with a contender; let him go somewhere where he can win, before his career is over.

I don't like the idea of having 3 rook WRs, 1 1yr player, and whatever you consider Kelly with no veteran leadership. Moss excelled in the system and can be an on field coach for these young guys. I understand what you're saying, but I just can't get on board.

I agree with Vet however I understand dcd's point as well - TOTALLY disagree about how we'll do though :lol:

I just think we might add a WR AND I think Moss is back as well

we really don't know what the Shanahan's are thinking offensively here yet - long term or short term - speculating is fun, no :lol:

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:11 pm

brad7686 wrote:I don't want to resign moss but we need to sign somebody. We ignore receiver every year and think if we change qb's every five seconds the situation will improve.

That's really my POV, too, brad. I just think that Moss is the easiest option, not necessarily the best.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:09 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
brad7686 wrote:I don't want to resign moss but we need to sign somebody. We ignore receiver every year and think if we change qb's every five seconds the situation will improve.

That's really my POV, too, brad. I just think that Moss is the easiest option, not necessarily the best.

It would nice to bring him back in the slot if affordable, have armstrong go deep, and add a possession receiver. I don't think Hankerson can be counted on to do that his first year.

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:42 pm

brad7686 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
brad7686 wrote:I don't want to resign moss but we need to sign somebody. We ignore receiver every year and think if we change qb's every five seconds the situation will improve.

That's really my POV, too, brad. I just think that Moss is the easiest option, not necessarily the best.

It would nice to bring him back in the slot if affordable, have armstrong go deep, and add a possession receiver. I don't think Hankerson can be counted on to do that his first year.

thats where kevin walter comes in!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:24 pm

brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

There's no way we can sign that many players. We'll be lucky to even get asomugha or rogers.

Not true. We are in the top 3rd of teams as far as "cap space" (assuming a new CBA will be reached). Additionally, the trade of McNabb and/or Haynesworth would give us more than enough room to re-sign our guys and sign the 2 free agents mentioned above.

I don't really buy that, but I'll rephrase, there's no need to sign both Rogers and Asomugha.

Since you didn't "buy" that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

Like I said. The Skins have more than enough ability to pursue free agents.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:24 pm

brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

There's no way we can sign that many players. We'll be lucky to even get asomugha or rogers.

Not true. We are in the top 3rd of teams as far as "cap space" (assuming a new CBA will be reached). Additionally, the trade of McNabb and/or Haynesworth would give us more than enough room to re-sign our guys and sign the 2 free agents mentioned above.

I don't really buy that, but I'll rephrase, there's no need to sign both Rogers and Asomugha.

Since you didn't "buy" that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

Like I said. The Skins have more than enough ability to pursue free agents.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:33 am

It's almost certain that Asomugha is going to become the highest paid DB

It's almost certain that he will want to play for the franchise that he thinks will pay him AND give him the best chance at the playoffs

I think there are a couple of franchises in the NFC East that will be in the running

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:54 am

The Hogster wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
brad7686 wrote:
The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

There's no way we can sign that many players. We'll be lucky to even get asomugha or rogers.

Not true. We are in the top 3rd of teams as far as "cap space" (assuming a new CBA will be reached). Additionally, the trade of McNabb and/or Haynesworth would give us more than enough room to re-sign our guys and sign the 2 free agents mentioned above.

I don't really buy that, but I'll rephrase, there's no need to sign both Rogers and Asomugha.

Since you didn't "buy" that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

Like I said. The Skins have more than enough ability to pursue free agents.

That's why I rephrased. Therefore your last post wasn't even relevant.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:36 am

SkinsJock wrote:It's almost certain that Asomugha is going to become the highest paid DB

It's almost certain that he will want to play for the franchise that he thinks will pay him AND give him the best chance at the playoffs

I think there are a couple of franchises in the NFC East that will be in the running

He's probably going to take the highest offer and claim it wasn't about money, it was about respect (which he measures in money), commitment to winning (which he measures in money) and the best chance to go to the playoffs (which is measured in money). I have no issue with them taking the most money, I just find it humorous they always spin it so it's not money.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:07 am

Re. Asomugha

KazooSkinsFan wrote:He's probably going to take the highest offer and claim it wasn't about money, it was about respect (which he measures in money), commitment to winning (which he measures in money) and the best chance to go to the playoffs (which is measured in money). I have no issue with them taking the most money, I just find it humorous they always spin it so it's not money.

totally agree - I thought he might help here but then I realized that while we can 'offer' him the money he wants we are just going to ensure that he gets that from someone else

good chance that he's in the NFC East - just not here

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:44 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:You want to essentially trade Moss for TO? hell no IMO. We know what Moss is about and what he can do for us in burgundy and gold.

That's all I read in this thread and I'm gonna stay right here with Vet.

ANYONE who says get rid of Moss is a.. ummm.. well yea, ya'll already know how I feel.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:01 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:It's almost certain that Asomugha is going to become the highest paid DB

It's almost certain that he will want to play for the franchise that he thinks will pay him AND give him the best chance at the playoffs

I think there are a couple of franchises in the NFC East that will be in the running

He's probably going to take the highest offer and claim it wasn't about money, it was about respect (which he measures in money), commitment to winning (which he measures in money) and the best chance to go to the playoffs (which is measured in money). I have no issue with them taking the most money, I just find it humorous they always spin it so it's not money.

Haha. Some of them are more honest about it than others.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:31 pm

He can always claim his decision was made with help from a higher power too - a la Reggie White :lol:

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:22 pm

Coming from Oakland, he probably really wants to win for a change. As long as the money is right of course.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:55 pm

Coming from Oakland, he probably really wants to win for a change. As long as the money is right of course.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:19 pm

SkinsJock wrote:He can always claim his decision was made with help from a higher power too - a la Reggie White

Ah, but remember Reggie claimed God thought he should hold out for more...money... Same ole same ole, it's measured in money.

Do you suppose God was getting both the agent cut and tithing as well? Double dipping and being the almighty deity seems a bit unfair to be sitting on the the other side from even a greedy capitalist owner. I'm just saying.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:50 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:He can always claim his decision was made with help from a higher power too - a la Reggie White

Ah, but remember Reggie claimed God thought he should hold out for more...money... Same ole same ole, it's measured in money.

Do you suppose God was getting both the agent cut and tithing as well? Double dipping and being the almighty deity seems a bit unfair to be sitting on the the other side from even a greedy capitalist owner. I'm just saying.

I heard Holmgren called Reggie and told him it was God on the line:

Holmgren, meanwhile, also made one of the most famous phone calls in NFL recruiting history. White was a religious man, obviously, and he had made public mention right from the start that he would go where God wanted him to go. Well, as the story goes, Holmgren called White one night and when he got White's answering machine, Holmgren said into the machine, "Reggie, this is God. Come to Green Bay."

A while later, White signed with the Packers for 4 years/$17 million, an (pardon the expression) ungodly amount of money at the time for a free agent, so while White might very well have appreciated Holmgren's joke, the money certainly helped.

As to whether Holmgren actually made the joke in question - Holmgren himself has said that he did it, Packers historian Lee Remmel (who is practically the Word of God himself when it comes to Packers history) says it happened. Perhaps most notably was that the incident was reported at the time, as Don Pierson of the Chicago Tribune reported it back in July of 1993. The closer to the actual incident that the story is told is a good sign - the incidents you really wonder about are when a guy 20 years later recalls some crazy thing that happened 20 years ago that he never talked about until now. So I'm willing to believe that Holmgren actually made the call in question.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... ith-g.html

DarthMonk