Skins "front-runners" for Vince Young

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:02 pm

http://rotoworld.com/teams/related/nfl/was/washington-redskins

The South Florida South-Sentinel "hears" that the Redskins are the front-runners for Vince Young's services this offseason.

Redskins beat writer Rich Tandler has also heard talk of Vince Young in the nation's capital, so the smoke is building here. Due a $4.25 million bonus in addition to his $8.5 million salary, Young is likely to be released rather than traded. The Redskins are one of just two teams with no semblance of a viable starting QB. It's easy to see why V.Y. would be interested in signing on, as it's his quickest path to playing time.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2011/05/whats-chirping-how-can-miami-dolphins-land-a-qb.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports%2FMiamiDolphinsweb

He's a head case, but he's a winner.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:23 pm

He's 30-17 as a starter. He will be 28 years old.

He has a 58% completion rate, over 1,300 yards rushing in his career, and has 42 TDs to 42 INTs for about a 76% QB RATING.

Comparing to Grossman:

Rex has a career 54% completion rate, 40 TDs to 40 INTs, and a career passer rating of 71%

Rex has a 20-14 record as a starter. He will be 31 years old.

Very similar, hmmmm.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:44 pm

I don't get that article at all. We're supposed to believe the Redskins are willing to part with D. McNabb because he didn't really get the offense and didn't work hard enough, and we're going to replace him with Vince Young of all people? How is this remotely believable?

I don't think that stat comparison between Young and Grossman has any significance whatsoever btw. I'm sure you pull three dozen other QBs with similar numbers. Has the issue with Vince Young ever really been his stats?

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:49 pm

Well, to be fair though, look at Young's past two years. 20 TD, 10 INT, 59% comp...

Ideal size and body for an NFL quarterback, sure he comes with some red flags but he's obviously talented and seems a prime candidate to have a break out season. Honestly, if Mike Shanahan can't fix him, he can't be fixed. He's much better than the alternative.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:51 pm

riggofan wrote:I don't get that article at all. We're supposed to believe the Redskins are willing to part with D. McNabb because he didn't really get the offense and didn't work hard enough, and we're going to replace him with Vince Young of all people? How is this remotely believable?

I don't think that stat comparison between Young and Grossman has any significance whatsoever btw. I'm sure you pull three dozen other QBs with similar numbers. Has the issue with Vince Young ever really been his stats?

I wasn't simply pulling stats to say one was better than the other. I am just a stats guy and I was curious. I thought while I check, I would save some people the time.

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:57 pm

Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

TeeterSalad · Post by **TeeterSalad** » Fri May 06, 2011 3:35 pm

Shanny just went out and got all these high-motor hard working guys...I don't think he would jeopardize all that for a QB with poor work ethic and attitude that Young has shown in the past.

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Fri May 06, 2011 3:49 pm

Highly doubt this will happen. An arrogant guy with issues that doesn't like to talk to his head coach. Sound like someone Shanahan suspended last year?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri May 06, 2011 3:55 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:and seems a prime candidate to have a break out season.

What in the world makes you think that? The man walked out on his team and threw a temper tantrum in front of everyone less than six months ago. Whatever his personal issues are that have kept him from playing, he's not shown any signs of solving them. Changing the scenery doesn't count as a solution.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Fri May 06, 2011 4:08 pm

This must be a really old article. I thought he was released a long time ago.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Fri May 06, 2011 4:10 pm

Ok. Maybe not.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Fri May 06, 2011 4:59 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:and seems a prime candidate to have a break out season.

What in the world makes you think that? The man walked out on his team and threw a temper tantrum in front of everyone less than six months ago. Whatever his personal issues are that have kept him from playing, he's not shown any signs of solving them. Changing the scenery doesn't count as a solution.

There's just no way our team is looking to add VY to its roster.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Fri May 06, 2011 5:17 pm

I saw VY at the Final Four in Houston this year. He sat near me. He was walking around with his UT shirt and holding his daughter (I believe). told him i loved him at texas. he said thanks. pretty quiet guy. didnt talk to anyone really that wasnt with him and held his daughter for the majority of the time. just a random sighting.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri May 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Guy's still a douche, will stay a douche. The best predictor of future behavior is still past behavior.

However, granting that on occasion a douche will get it, then it may be worth a look.
If they want to provide an incentive laden contract, with escapes and penalties for stupid behaviors, go for it. Otherwise... No.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri May 06, 2011 7:30 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote: b;ah, blah, blah ... sure he comes with some red flags but he's obviously talented and seems a prime candidate to have a break out season. Honestly, if Mike Shanahan can't fix him, he can't be fixed. He's much better than the alternative.

We are talking about a former Titan, right?

Red flags?

Character issues?

Unfixable according to Fisher?

Talented with great "potential" for a break out season?

Are we talking about Haynesworth again? No? Too bad.

I thought people would learn from previuous mistakes. :roll:

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri May 06, 2011 8:02 pm

spudstr04 wrote:He's 30-17 as a starter. He will be 28 years old.

He has a 58% completion rate, over 1,300 yards rushing in his career, and has 42 TDs to 42 INTs for about a 76% QB RATING.

Comparing to Grossman:

Rex has a career 54% completion rate, 40 TDs to 40 INTs, and a career passer rating of 71%

Rex has a 20-14 record as a starter. He will be 31 years old.

Very similar, hmmmm.

Kyle Orton as a starter has a 32-29 record (was 29-19 before last year)

58.1% completion %, 71 TDs and 48 ints

I'll go with Kyle (or Beck, McNabb, Rex, or some guy we pick up at a Kwiki Mart) before I go withe the very athletic fruit basket!

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri May 06, 2011 9:50 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote: b;ah, blah, blah ... sure he comes with some red flags but he's obviously talented and seems a prime candidate to have a break out season. Honestly, if Mike Shanahan can't fix him, he can't be fixed. He's much better than the alternative.

We are talking about a former Titan, right?

Red flags?

Character issues?

Unfixable according to Fisher?

Talented with great "potential" for a break out season?

Are we talking about Haynesworth again? No? Too bad.

I thought people would learn from previuous mistakes.

I'd agree, EXCEPT... a contract can be structured in a manner to account for Haynesworth types of behaviors. There are Albert Haynesworths... and there are Mike Vicks...

At least, Vince Young is not a criminal... that we know of...

This could be structured in a manner to minimize the team's exposure... This would be Young's best opportunity for playing time. If he want's it, he accepts a tightly structured contract, with both incentive and penalties... if not... see ya!

I'm not advocating this. But, I won't blow up if it does.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Fri May 06, 2011 11:50 pm

i am 100% in favor of going with Vince Young this year

...as a component of the "Suck and Luck" strategy.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat May 07, 2011 12:13 am

Terry McCormick of TitanInsider.com pointed out in an e-mail to PFT that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan counts former Titans coach Jeff Fisher and former Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger among his closest friends. Neither Fisher nor Heimerdinger would be expected to endorse Young to Shanahan.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:14 am

1niksder wrote:Terry McCormick of TitanInsider.com pointed out in an e-mail to PFT that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan counts former Titans coach Jeff Fisher and former Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger among his closest friends. Neither Fisher nor Heimerdinger would be expected to endorse Young to Shanahan.

This, of course, changes everything. Don't expect to see VY in B&G...

Paralis · Post by **Paralis** » Sat May 07, 2011 10:57 am

It never passed the laugh test. If there's one thing everybody agrees about re: Shanahan is that he's an unrelenting taskmaster when it comes to his QBs. If there's anybody in the league less suited to succeed under that level of constant criticism, it's Young.

Which is a shame because he's far and away the best QB that's going to be available this offseason with the possible exception of Kolb (who will be more expensive). But there's no way it ever could have worked, and Young and Shanahan are both smart enough to know not to bother trying.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat May 07, 2011 2:30 pm

Paralis wrote:It never passed the laugh test. If there's one thing everybody agrees about re: Shanahan is that he's an unrelenting taskmaster when it comes to his QBs. If there's anybody in the league less suited to succeed under that level of constant criticism, it's Young.

Which is a shame because he's far and away the best QB that's going to be available this offseason with the possible exception of Kolb (who will be more expensive). But there's no way it ever could have worked, and Young and Shanahan are both smart enough to know not to bother trying.

Young would be crying at his locker after every practice.

I hope this isn't true. He's talented, but winning starts with character. I wish nothing personally ill towards the guy. He needs psychiatric help and I hope he's getting it. But we don't need that.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sat May 07, 2011 5:20 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Paralis wrote:It never passed the laugh test. If there's one thing everybody agrees about re: Shanahan is that he's an unrelenting taskmaster when it comes to his QBs. If there's anybody in the league less suited to succeed under that level of constant criticism, it's Young.

Which is a shame because he's far and away the best QB that's going to be available this offseason with the possible exception of Kolb (who will be more expensive). But there's no way it ever could have worked, and Young and Shanahan are both smart enough to know not to bother trying.

Young would be crying at his locker after every practice.

I hope this isn't true. He's talented, but winning starts with character. I wish nothing personally ill towards the guy. He needs psychiatric help and I hope he's getting it. But we don't need that.

We're in a desperate situation. I think we should take a shot with Young. He's capable of having the kind of year Vick had last year if we can pick up three FA's who can actually play on the OL. One thing for sure-- Rex will take us nowhere.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat May 07, 2011 6:32 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:We're in a desperate situation.

I disagree. We are REBUILDING.

Most "desperate fixes" tend to bring us further down.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat May 07, 2011 6:37 pm

Countertrey wrote:This could be structured in a manner to minimize the team's exposure... This would be Young's best opportunity for playing time. If he want's it, he accepts a tightly structured contract, with both incentive and penalties... if not... see ya!

I'm not advocating this. But, I won't blow up if it does.

Mmmmm ...

How will he pay back the damage made to the Team with his tantrums and unprofessional attitude??? Not making more money? Taking a roster spot away? Taking an opportunity away from a younger prospect or a more experienced QB?

Just say NO to VY.